If Holmgren takes over Cleveland Browns, Mangini is likely out
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Holmgren's job is to win games and finish turning this franchise around the right way. Right now, we have a coach that is going about this correctly and the last thing they need to do is start anew with another coach and philosophy.
Media hatred aside Mangie has this thing on the right track, there just needs to be someone to oversee things and let Mangie continue without total autonomy. Mangie and Holmgren seem to both be reasonable men, I see no reason why they couldn't make it work.
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I agree. The only way I don't see it working is Holmgren wanting his "own guy" in the HC position. I could see him bringing a guy like Gruden in here which would be fine with me because I think he's a similiar guy to Mangini...a no nonsense, high character guy coach. Fassell or Billick or Jauron or the other names make no sense to me if you're going to make a change. I could see it being a deal where Holmgren tries to talk Gruden out of the booth and if he says no, he sticks with Mangini.
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Holmgren's job is to win games and finish turning this franchise around the right way. Right now, we have a coach that is going about this correctly and the last thing they need to do is start anew with another coach and philosophy.
Media hatred aside Mangie has this thing on the right track, there just needs to be someone to oversee things and let Mangie continue without total autonomy. Mangie and Holmgren seem to both be reasonable men, I see no reason why they couldn't make it work.
Holmgren's job is to win games and finish turning this franchise around the right way. Right now, we have a coach that is going about this correctly and the last thing they need to do is start anew with another coach and philosophy.
Media hatred aside Mangie has this thing on the right track, there just needs to be someone to oversee things and let Mangie continue without total autonomy. Mangie and Holmgren seem to both be reasonable men, I see no reason why they couldn't make it work.
I can see what Mangini has taken apart in Cleveland.
I'm not sure I can see anything that he can claim to have "built" yet. And even if one believes he has begun to build something, is he so far along in the process that it would be impossible for a new head coach to continue building on it? I'm not seeing that much that a new coach would have to "disassemble" before beginning his own rebuilding.
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Holmgren's job is to win games and finish turning this franchise around the right way. Right now, we have a coach that is going about this correctly and the last thing they need to do is start anew with another coach and philosophy.
Media hatred aside Mangie has this thing on the right track, there just needs to be someone to oversee things and let Mangie continue without total autonomy. Mangie and Holmgren seem to both be reasonable men, I see no reason why they couldn't make it work.
I can see what Mangini has taken apart in Cleveland.
I'm not sure I can see anything that he can claim to have "built" yet. And even if one believes he has begun to build something, is he so far along in the process that it would be impossible for a new head coach to continue building on it? I'm not seeing that much that a new coach would have to "disassemble" before beginning his own rebuilding.
I can see what Mangini has taken apart in Cleveland.
I'm not sure I can see anything that he can claim to have "built" yet. And even if one believes he has begun to build something, is he so far along in the process that it would be impossible for a new head coach to continue building on it? I'm not seeing that much that a new coach would have to "disassemble" before beginning his own rebuilding.
We get it. Besides the fact that you're a Mangini-hater...you're also having vision problems. We get it. Get it checked out.
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Holmgren's job is to win games and finish turning this franchise around the right way. Right now, we have a coach that is going about this correctly and the last thing they need to do is start anew with another coach and philosophy.
Media hatred aside Mangie has this thing on the right track, there just needs to be someone to oversee things and let Mangie continue without total autonomy. Mangie and Holmgren seem to both be reasonable men, I see no reason why they couldn't make it work.
I can see what Mangini has taken apart in Cleveland.
I'm not sure I can see anything that he can claim to have "built" yet. And even if one believes he has begun to build something, is he so far along in the process that it would be impossible for a new head coach to continue building on it? I'm not seeing that much that a new coach would have to "disassemble" before beginning his own rebuilding.
I can see what Mangini has taken apart in Cleveland.
I'm not sure I can see anything that he can claim to have "built" yet. And even if one believes he has begun to build something, is he so far along in the process that it would be impossible for a new head coach to continue building on it? I'm not seeing that much that a new coach would have to "disassemble" before beginning his own rebuilding.
I give (and you should too) credit to Mangini for freeing the Browns from the dead wood in our team. Most of the guys relived from the team are not in NFL anymore, speaks for our roster doesnt it ?
The picks and the free agents of Mangini have not paved out spectacularly so far, the offense is in shambles and we see it every game day. But the fact is this is where we are cos this is what we have. He needs to install his system and principles and im sure he can make us into a decent competitive team.
point is I (i hope it is a we) want a team built on reality and not a false sense of security. I dont want one season of 10-6 followed by 3 seasons of 2-14. I would prefer 4 seasons of 8-8. And i feel Mangini can make us into an 8-8 team.
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I can see what Mangini has taken apart in Cleveland.
I'm not sure I can see anything that he can claim to have "built" yet. And even if one believes he has begun to build something, is he so far along in the process that it would be impossible for a new head coach to continue building on it? I'm not seeing that much that a new coach would have to "disassemble" before beginning his own rebuilding.
I give (and you should too) credit to Mangini for freeing the Browns from the dead wood in our team. Most of the guys relived from the team are not in NFL anymore, speaks for our roster doesnt it ?
The picks and the free agents of Mangini have not paved out spectacularly so far, the offense is in shambles and we see it every game day. But the fact is this is where we are cos this is what we have. He needs to install his system and principles and im sure he can make us into a decent competitive team.
point is I (i hope it is a we) want a team built on reality and not a false sense of security. I dont want one season of 10-6 followed by 3 seasons of 2-14. I would prefer 4 seasons of 8-8. And i feel Mangini can make us into an 8-8 team.
I give (and you should too) credit to Mangini for freeing the Browns from the dead wood in our team. Most of the guys relived from the team are not in NFL anymore, speaks for our roster doesnt it ?
The picks and the free agents of Mangini have not paved out spectacularly so far, the offense is in shambles and we see it every game day. But the fact is this is where we are cos this is what we have. He needs to install his system and principles and im sure he can make us into a decent competitive team.
point is I (i hope it is a we) want a team built on reality and not a false sense of security. I dont want one season of 10-6 followed by 3 seasons of 2-14. I would prefer 4 seasons of 8-8. And i feel Mangini can make us into an 8-8 team.
Yes - seriously I do give him credit for that.
Now that's certainly not rocket science - and dumping even a guy with clear talent like Edwards who is still a locker room cancer strikes me as a no-brainer as well. But it certainly needed to be done.
I think most of the guys brought in have been no better, to mediocre, with a few diamonds in the rough possible... that's a product of not being active in free agency and having to take in the outcasts of other teams. Finding good players out of that bunch is almost a matter of "volume" alone - bring enough guys in for a try and you may find some keepers.
Again, this would be the same for any team in the same boat. So while I'm not overwhelmed by the former Jets or other players I'm realistic too. (I stop short of giving any coach or GM credit for "getting under the cap". There's no choice about this - they couldn't play football otherwise.)
But my point remains, as much credit as we would give Mangini for disassembling the team, he's only done the next coach a favor... it's not like the next coach is at any disadvantage as a result.
I actually agree that Mangini can make the Browns an 8-8 team. I just think that mediocrity shouldn't be the goal and that Holmgren will bring someone demanding excellence.
And although it appears a few people like to mock me for saying that I don't see what's been built, I haven't seen too many people offering concrete examples of what's been built.
Any good coach - the next coach - should require the type of excellence in attitude that Mangini attempted to do - though Mangini shot himself in the foot by having his "pledge" of support for his QB last 2.5 games, and seems to have pissed off a lot of players along the way too. In many ways he'll never undo that first impression and players question whether he's the guy to take them beyond mediocrity. That's not good.
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I give (and you should too) credit to Mangini for freeing the Browns from the dead wood in our team. Most of the guys relived from the team are not in NFL anymore, speaks for our roster doesnt it ?
The picks and the free agents of Mangini have not paved out spectacularly so far, the offense is in shambles and we see it every game day. But the fact is this is where we are cos this is what we have. He needs to install his system and principles and im sure he can make us into a decent competitive team.
point is I (i hope it is a we) want a team built on reality and not a false sense of security. I dont want one season of 10-6 followed by 3 seasons of 2-14. I would prefer 4 seasons of 8-8. And i feel Mangini can make us into an 8-8 team.
Yes - seriously I do give him credit for that.
Now that's certainly not rocket science - and dumping even a guy with clear talent like Edwards who is still a locker room cancer strikes me as a no-brainer as well. But it certainly needed to be done.
I think most of the guys brought in have been no better, to mediocre, with a few diamonds in the rough possible... that's a product of not being active in free agency and having to take in the outcasts of other teams. Finding good players out of that bunch is almost a matter of "volume" alone - bring enough guys in for a try and you may find some keepers.
Again, this would be the same for any team in the same boat. So while I'm not overwhelmed by the former Jets or other players I'm realistic too. (I stop short of giving any coach or GM credit for "getting under the cap". There's no choice about this - they couldn't play football otherwise.)
But my point remains, as much credit as we would give Mangini for disassembling the team, he's only done the next coach a favor... it's not like the next coach is at any disadvantage as a result.
I actually agree that Mangini can make the Browns an 8-8 team. I just think that mediocrity shouldn't be the goal and that Holmgren will bring someone demanding excellence.
And although it appears a few people like to mock me for saying that I don't see what's been built, I haven't seen too many people offering concrete examples of what's been built.
Any good coach - the next coach - should require the type of excellence in attitude that Mangini attempted to do - though Mangini shot himself in the foot by having his "pledge" of support for his QB last 2.5 games, and seems to have pissed off a lot of players along the way too. In many ways he'll never undo that first impression and players question whether he's the guy to take them beyond mediocrity. That's not good.
Yes - seriously I do give him credit for that.
Now that's certainly not rocket science - and dumping even a guy with clear talent like Edwards who is still a locker room cancer strikes me as a no-brainer as well. But it certainly needed to be done.
I think most of the guys brought in have been no better, to mediocre, with a few diamonds in the rough possible... that's a product of not being active in free agency and having to take in the outcasts of other teams. Finding good players out of that bunch is almost a matter of "volume" alone - bring enough guys in for a try and you may find some keepers.
Again, this would be the same for any team in the same boat. So while I'm not overwhelmed by the former Jets or other players I'm realistic too. (I stop short of giving any coach or GM credit for "getting under the cap". There's no choice about this - they couldn't play football otherwise.)
But my point remains, as much credit as we would give Mangini for disassembling the team, he's only done the next coach a favor... it's not like the next coach is at any disadvantage as a result.
I actually agree that Mangini can make the Browns an 8-8 team. I just think that mediocrity shouldn't be the goal and that Holmgren will bring someone demanding excellence.
Another diatribe from the Belichick cabana boy..You only have one agenda..to bash Mangini in the name of the Patriots and Bill B..or are you so concerned about the well being of the Cleveland franchise and its fans that you constant babbling about Mangini is helping us..Stop worrying about us Joe..We all have our big boy pants on and can make are own judgement on OUR coach..Go worry about Moss tanking it and Thomas talking s**t about Beli and poisoning the locker room,
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Yes - seriously I do give him credit for that.
Now that's certainly not rocket science - and dumping even a guy with clear talent like Edwards who is still a locker room cancer strikes me as a no-brainer as well. But it certainly needed to be done.
I think most of the guys brought in have been no better, to mediocre, with a few diamonds in the rough possible... that's a product of not being active in free agency and having to take in the outcasts of other teams. Finding good players out of that bunch is almost a matter of "volume" alone - bring enough guys in for a try and you may find some keepers.
Again, this would be the same for any team in the same boat. So while I'm not overwhelmed by the former Jets or other players I'm realistic too. (I stop short of giving any coach or GM credit for "getting under the cap". There's no choice about this - they couldn't play football otherwise.)
But my point remains, as much credit as we would give Mangini for disassembling the team, he's only done the next coach a favor... it's not like the next coach is at any disadvantage as a result.
I actually agree that Mangini can make the Browns an 8-8 team. I just think that mediocrity shouldn't be the goal and that Holmgren will bring someone demanding excellence.
Another diatribe from the Belichick cabana boy..You only have one agenda..to bash Mangini in the name of the Patriots and Bill B..or are you so concerned about the well being of the Cleveland franchise and its fans that you constant babbling about Mangini is helping us..Stop worrying about us Joe..We all have our big boy pants on and can make are own judgement on OUR coach..Go worry about Moss tanking it and Thomas talking s**t about Beli and poisoning the locker room,
Another diatribe from the Belichick cabana boy..You only have one agenda..to bash Mangini in the name of the Patriots and Bill B..or are you so concerned about the well being of the Cleveland franchise and its fans that you constant babbling about Mangini is helping us..Stop worrying about us Joe..We all have our big boy pants on and can make are own judgement on OUR coach..Go worry about Moss tanking it and Thomas talking s**t about Beli and poisoning the locker room,
...and once again it's apparent to everyone here you are unable to name even ONE thing that Mangini has "built" in Cleveland... let alone something built that a new coach couldn't build upon.
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Another diatribe from the Belichick cabana boy..You only have one agenda..to bash Mangini in the name of the Patriots and Bill B..or are you so concerned about the well being of the Cleveland franchise and its fans that you constant babbling about Mangini is helping us..Stop worrying about us Joe..We all have our big boy pants on and can make are own judgement on OUR coach..Go worry about Moss tanking it and Thomas talking s**t about Beli and poisoning the locker room,
...and once again it's apparent to everyone here you are unable to name even ONE thing that Mangini has "built" in Cleveland... let alone something built that a new coach couldn't build upon.
...and once again it's apparent to everyone here you are unable to name even ONE thing that Mangini has "built" in Cleveland... let alone something built that a new coach couldn't build upon.
I've answered that question in many posts..I certainly don't answer to a Patriots troll with an obvious and quite tiresome agenda..Shouldn't you be trolling Jet and Dolphin websites?..seriously,,whats you're purpose here?
if you're trying to make it clear you don't like Mangini..mission accomplished..now move along
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For the life of me I don't understand why everybody thinks Mangie is gone with the Walrus taking over. Leave Mangie alone and just get someone to oversee things.
For the life of me I don't understand why everybody thinks Mangie is gone with the Walrus taking over. Leave Mangie alone and just get someone to oversee things.
Its because there is no story in Cleveland so they have to make one up. Holmgren would be Retarded to get rid of Mangini. If he had any sense at all, he would play a big part in talent evaluation, decide where to send scouts, and let Mangini coach this team. I firmly believe Mangini is doing an excellent job here and that Holmgren understands that and is most likely happy that Mangini would be his coach. NOTHING Mangini has done merits termination. He's fixed our cap debacle, brought in what seems to be A LOT of cheap young talent, got value out of expendable team cancers in Winslow and Braylon, changed the culture, changed the attitude, drafted a franchise center, drafted a bonified #1 in MoMass, accumilated 11 draft picks, and beat the Steelers in a rebuilding year by out-coaching his opponent. All of this while inheriting ZERO talent outside if LT and DT and having no money to spend. I keep saying this year is the definition of "rebuilding" but it is more like the definition of "building". This franchise hasn't been built since coming back. Mangini's doing it and doing it correctly. And if Holmgren is worth even a fraction of the press coverage and money he's commanding, he will know that.
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I'm a Mangini backer but even I won't go out on a limb to say that Holmgren HAS to keep him or HAS to get rid of him. Mike Holmgren would be foolish to get rid of him if there was real progress because that would just be an ego thing. That said, new GMs and "czars" will want their own guy more often than not. All I would ask of Mike Holmgren would be that if he's going to get rid of Eric Mangini, he's going to have to replace him with someone better than his old assistant, Morninwheg and Jauron who were speculated on.
I don't believe that Mike Holmgren is a dummy. If Eric Mangini is really making progress here, I don't think he's gone. I'd like to think that Holmgren could see the merit in working with him. That's what happened on the defensive side of the football with LeBeau and Tomlin in Pittsburgh. I think it would be positive especially since the expertise of each is on opposite sides of the ball. They may not share the same philosophy when it comes to detail but they both care about the ultimate detail and that's winning.
I think a Holmgren-Mangini tandem would be very intriguing assuming both can keep up their end of the bargain.
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