ESPN pure Mangini Hate
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I hope the government investigates him for his "shoot the guy at the security desk and the guy in the back" analogy.
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I hope the government investigates him for his "shoot the guy at the security desk and the guy in the back" analogy.
I hope the government investigates him for his "shoot the guy at the security desk and the guy in the back" analogy.
True, that struck me as an odd thing to say as well.
Of course, if Mike Holmgren is getting advice from Bill Parcells (as Cris is implying) then Parcells would have already told him to keep Mangini.
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WOW. This dude is a joke. It's no wonder he's not working for the NFL. From what I seen today it looked like the Raiders should be playing ball for a prison team rather then the NFL. You can tell it's pure hate when he said that Mangini couldn't even do anything with the jets. Seeing as how he took them to the playoff's a place where Tom Cable has NEVER been just proves he's full of shyt. Espically after saying Mangini needs to go and Cable deserves a second chance.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4774598
Lol, Cris Carter is a joke.
He thinks Tom Cable deserves another year but Mangini doesn't.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4774598
Lol, Cris Carter is a joke.
He thinks Tom Cable deserves another year but Mangini doesn't.
You can add Jay Glazer to the mix. He said there's a less than 50% chance Holmgren will keep Mangini, seemingly thinking Holmgren sees a bigger long term picture than wins against the likes of the Chiefs, Raiders and Bills.
He apparently doesn't understand that Lerner and Holmgren both choosing to stay away from today's game is actually a huge vote of confidence for Mangini, showing that they both feel he's got things so well under control they don't need to be there in person.
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I think mangini has earned another year with his 4th victory rather people like him or not ,the fact is we can see his plan finally coming together..i dont particularly like the man or buy into his "process" just yet but if holmgren keeps him and decides to go mangini's path im certainly not against it..daboll still has to go though...
Even if holmgren does let the geni go i now think he will coach again somewhere else ,im elated that we have the right structure started now and fully understand if holmgren wants to do it his way from scratch...im game either way i just want the browns to play hard and make us proud as they have since the bye week...
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What worries me is that if Holmgren does pull a dick move and fires Mangini, he will get another job instantly. And guess what? We'll lose Ryan also. So, we'll not only lose a really good head coach working in the right direction but we'll lose the best Defensive Coordinator we have ever had.
If Holmgren dumps Mangini, I dump Hulmgren.
"Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin -
Of course, if Mike Holmgren is getting advice from Bill Parcells (as Cris is implying) then Parcells would have already told him to keep Mangini.
Just curious why you say that Earl.
I don't buy into this claim - Parcells brought in his own guy after Cameron was in Miami only 1 year. Also - at best Parcells has a distant association with Mangini. Maybe none.
I still say that Mangini lacks grativas across the NFL and believe he will be shown the door after next weeks's game.
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It will be a fun Jacksonville game especially how well and together we've played the last 5 weeks or so. not everyone hated Mangini, some of understood it was going to get worse before it got better, Hell I'm shocked he did it this fast..Mangini had a plan and despite the negative media, locally and nationally he had the balls to stick with his convictions and his plan..An average man would have folded under such over whelming pressure, but not Coach Mangini..the bulls**t about his ego was a figment of the media and based on NO FACTS. Coach is only concerned about giving us the best team possible, one with players that are good players and good character guys, that us and are kids can be proud of..I have kids and thats the kind of team I want my kids to love. not a bunch of selfish,egotistical,me players(insert names)..Mr. Learner better recognize there are a lot of us out there that believe and like what Mangini and is doing here in Clevland and rebuilding our great franchise.
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What worries me is that if Holmgren does pull a dick move and fires Mangini, he will get another job instantly. And guess what? We'll lose Ryan also. So, we'll not only lose a really good head coach working in the right direction but we'll lose the best Defensive Coordinator we have ever had.
If Holmgren dumps Mangini, I dump Hulmgren.
What worries me is that if Holmgren does pull a dick move and fires Mangini, he will get another job instantly. And guess what? We'll lose Ryan also. So, we'll not only lose a really good head coach working in the right direction but we'll lose the best Defensive Coordinator we have ever had.
If Holmgren dumps Mangini, I dump Hulmgren.
What is Ryan's D ranked?
Whatever Holmgren does is fine, we stink.
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What worries me is that if Holmgren does pull a dick move and fires Mangini, he will get another job instantly. And guess what? We'll lose Ryan also. So, we'll not only lose a really good head coach working in the right direction but we'll lose the best Defensive Coordinator we have ever had.
If Holmgren dumps Mangini, I dump Hulmgren.
What is Ryan's D ranked?
Whatever Holmgren does is fine, we stink.
What is Ryan's D ranked?
Whatever Holmgren does is fine, we stink.
Skrew the rankings. The only game we were able to run his scheme to the fullest was because we had 45mph wind gusts that allowed us to play man with our aweful CBs. You saw how that turned out. Once he gets quality players in here, he can out scheme the best OCs in the league. I'm not putting blind faith in anybody, even Holmgren, until he shows us he knows what is best for this team and shows he knows how to do this job. Losing Ryan or Mangini would be a terrible move.
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Of course, if Mike Holmgren is getting advice from Bill Parcells (as Cris is implying) then Parcells would have already told him to keep Mangini.
Just curious why you say that Earl.
I don't buy into this claim - Parcells brought in his own guy after Cameron was in Miami only 1 year. Also - at best Parcells has a distant association with Mangini. Maybe none.
I still say that Mangini lacks grativas across the NFL and believe he will be shown the door after next weeks's game.
Of course, if Mike Holmgren is getting advice from Bill Parcells (as Cris is implying) then Parcells would have already told him to keep Mangini.
Just curious why you say that Earl.
I don't buy into this claim - Parcells brought in his own guy after Cameron was in Miami only 1 year. Also - at best Parcells has a distant association with Mangini. Maybe none.
I still say that Mangini lacks grativas across the NFL and believe he will be shown the door after next weeks's game.
Because Bill Parcells and Eric Mangini have a long-standing relationship which is closer than "distant". See here
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Of course, if Mike Holmgren is getting advice from Bill Parcells (as Cris is implying) then Parcells would have already told him to keep Mangini.
Just curious why you say that Earl.
I don't buy into this claim - Parcells brought in his own guy after Cameron was in Miami only 1 year. Also - at best Parcells has a distant association with Mangini. Maybe none.
I still say that Mangini lacks grativas across the NFL and believe he will be shown the door after next weeks's game.
Because Bill Parcells and Eric Mangini have a long-standing relationship which is closer than "distant". See here
Because Bill Parcells and Eric Mangini have a long-standing relationship which is closer than "distant". See here
I am on record as hoping (and expecting) Mangini's firing.
However, given the circumstances of three wins in a row, I won't crucify anybody if he is given another season.
Time will tell.
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Cable has more wins than Mangini this year, against better opponents, and has won the games he has with JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Charlie Frye starting at QB, and the Raiders have generally been more competitive than the Browns. He's a scumbag, but at this point he's a more successful scumbag.
As for Rob Ryan, I disliked the hire at the beginning, and I still think he's the wrong guy for the job. His defenses were average at best in Oakland, and this year it's been mediocre on its best days. I don't care how much he jumps around on the sidelines; he can't scheme for crap, and hopefully he'll be one and done along with Daboll.
As for Mangini, I'll trust Holmgren. If he thinks he can turn it around, I'll go along with it. My hunch is that Holmgren won't--looking at the games the Browns have won (and the way they've won), I never thought I'd say this, but this 4-11 team just isn't as good as their record indicates.
Dennis
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Cable has more wins than Mangini this year, against better opponents, and has won the games he has with JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Charlie Frye starting at QB, and the Raiders have generally been more competitive than the Browns. He's a scumbag, but at this point he's a more successful scumbag.
As for Rob Ryan, I disliked the hire at the beginning, and I still think he's the wrong guy for the job. His defenses were average at best in Oakland, and this year it's been mediocre on its best days. I don't care how much he jumps around on the sidelines; he can't scheme for crap, and hopefully he'll be one and done along with Daboll.
As for Mangini, I'll trust Holmgren. If he thinks he can turn it around, I'll go along with it. My hunch is that Holmgren won't--looking at the games the Browns have won (and the way they've won), I never thought I'd say this, but this 4-11 team just isn't as good as their record indicates.
Dennis
Cable has more wins than Mangini this year, against better opponents, and has won the games he has with JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Charlie Frye starting at QB, and the Raiders have generally been more competitive than the Browns. He's a scumbag, but at this point he's a more successful scumbag.
As for Rob Ryan, I disliked the hire at the beginning, and I still think he's the wrong guy for the job. His defenses were average at best in Oakland, and this year it's been mediocre on its best days. I don't care how much he jumps around on the sidelines; he can't scheme for crap, and hopefully he'll be one and done along with Daboll.
As for Mangini, I'll trust Holmgren. If he thinks he can turn it around, I'll go along with it. My hunch is that Holmgren won't--looking at the games the Browns have won (and the way they've won), I never thought I'd say this, but this 4-11 team just isn't as good as their record indicates.
Dennis
On Rob Ryan......I don't really care what he did in Oakland. For the first time in many, many years, I see a pass rush from the Browns' defense. I see better tackling, and I see defenders in position to defend the pass better. Overall....I see the best defense that we have seen here for a while....and with not a lot of talent. Hopefully, you are wrong about Holmgren........and no....they are exactly where they should be.......4 - 11, and may end up 5 -12.......which is an improvement. It's too bad a lot of you guys can't or won't recognize the transformation that has taken place with this team under Mangini. I just don't get it.....why some are just obsessed with firing Mangini......with the distinct possibilty that we could get somebody a lot worse than him in here.
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Cable has more wins than Mangini this year, against better opponents, and has won the games he has with JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Charlie Frye starting at QB, and the Raiders have generally been more competitive than the Browns. He's a scumbag, but at this point he's a more successful scumbag.
As for Rob Ryan, I disliked the hire at the beginning, and I still think he's the wrong guy for the job. His defenses were average at best in Oakland, and this year it's been mediocre on its best days. I don't care how much he jumps around on the sidelines; he can't scheme for crap, and hopefully he'll be one and done along with Daboll.
As for Mangini, I'll trust Holmgren. If he thinks he can turn it around, I'll go along with it. My hunch is that Holmgren won't--looking at the games the Browns have won (and the way they've won), I never thought I'd say this, but this 4-11 team just isn't as good as their record indicates.
Dennis
On Rob Ryan......I don't really care what he did in Oakland. For the first time in many, many years, I see a pass rush from the Browns' defense. I see better tackling, and I see defenders in position to defend the pass better. Overall....I see the best defense that we have seen here for a while....and with not a lot of talent. Hopefully, you are wrong about Holmgren........and no....they are exactly where they should be.......4 - 11, and may end up 5 -12.......which is an improvement. It's too bad a lot of you guys can't or won't recognize the transformation that has taken place with this team under Mangini. I just don't get it.....why some are just obsessed with firing Mangini......with the distinct possibilty that we could get somebody a lot worse than him in here.
I just don't get it.....why some are just obsessed with firing Mangini......with the distinct possibilty that we could get somebody a lot worse than him in here.
With you 100% on this, in fact given recent trends it's not only a possibility but a probability that we get a coach much worse. After all, this is the first December since probably Mack and Byner that we have outrushed every team we played, and fairly significantly. Seems like we've been looking for a coach that can win with smashmouth football in December for a long time, at least I sure have.
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What worries me is that if Holmgren does pull a dick move and fires Mangini, he will get another job instantly. And guess what? We'll lose Ryan also. So, we'll not only lose a really good head coach working in the right direction but we'll lose the best Defensive Coordinator we have ever had.
If Holmgren dumps Mangini, I dump Hulmgren.
What is Ryan's D ranked?
Whatever Holmgren does is fine, we stink.
What is Ryan's D ranked?
Whatever Holmgren does is fine, we stink.
I don't think the rankings and style of play are reflected in the rankings. I think it has more to do with inferior players.
The addition of Roth made a big difference in our results. Put 2-3-4 more players on the D and I bet the ranking improve dramatically.
You don't think so??
JMO
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Cable has more wins than Mangini this year, against better opponents, and has won the games he has with JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Charlie Frye starting at QB, and the Raiders have generally been more competitive than the Browns. He's a scumbag, but at this point he's a more successful scumbag.
As for Rob Ryan, I disliked the hire at the beginning, and I still think he's the wrong guy for the job. His defenses were average at best in Oakland, and this year it's been mediocre on its best days. I don't care how much he jumps around on the sidelines; he can't scheme for crap, and hopefully he'll be one and done along with Daboll.
As for Mangini, I'll trust Holmgren. If he thinks he can turn it around, I'll go along with it. My hunch is that Holmgren won't--looking at the games the Browns have won (and the way they've won), I never thought I'd say this, but this 4-11 team just isn't as good as their record indicates.
Dennis
I never thought I'd say this, but this 4-11 team just isn't as good as their record indicates.
Dennis
Really?
The team has a good chance to improve from its 4-12 record last year and could easily be in position to finish 7-9 but for a strip of Harrison against Cincy returned for a TD and a last-ditch hail Mary attempt and a questionable interference penalty against the Lions. And they did it while trading away key players from last year's team for 2010 picks, and righting a salary cap gone horribly wrong. And with key early injuries to Tucker, Heiden, Hadnot and James Davis . . . all of whom I think they were counting on to contribute to the offense.
Oakland will likely have the same record it had last year. 5 wins.
And did you happen to notice the obviously better coached team on Sunday when our Browns pretty easily handled Cable's Raiders? You'd think that might sway your thinking a bit in the Cable/Mangini debate.
Over the last three games, we are the best running team in the NFL. In two of the three games we've been stout against the run. We've been vulnerable against the pass, but we have a WR playing safety and a safety playing corner.
I'm guessing that the teams fighting for their playoff lives this week . . . Baltimore, New York, Pitt, are glad they aren't facing the Browns.
Right now, I'd say we are one of the more dangerous sub .500 teams in the NFL.
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What is Ryan's D ranked?
Whatever Holmgren does is fine, we stink.
I don't think the rankings and style of play are reflected in the rankings. I think it has more to do with inferior players.
The addition of Roth made a big difference in our results. Put 2-3-4 more players on the D and I bet the ranking improve dramatically.
You don't think so??
JMO
I don't think the rankings and style of play are reflected in the rankings. I think it has more to do with inferior players.
The addition of Roth made a big difference in our results. Put 2-3-4 more players on the D and I bet the ranking improve dramatically.
You don't think so??
JMO
I definately want to grab all the positives of this season and move forward.
But the bottom line is we are a bad team who capitalized on fellow cellar dwellars and a Pitt team on the decline.
All i'm saying is i won't cry foul if Holmgren says goodbye to ANY of the coaches.
But if he keeps them then i do expect to be better than this years team right out of the gate next year.
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I never thought I'd say this, but this 4-11 team just isn't as good as their record indicates.
Dennis
Really?
The team has a good chance to improve from its 4-12 record last year and could easily be in position to finish 7-9 but for a strip of Harrison against Cincy returned for a TD and a last-ditch hail Mary attempt and a questionable interference penalty against the Lions. And they did it while trading away key players from last year's team for 2010 picks, and righting a salary cap gone horribly wrong. And with key early injuries to Tucker, Heiden, Hadnot and James Davis . . . all of whom I think they were counting on to contribute to the offense.
Oakland will likely have the same record it had last year. 5 wins.
And did you happen to notice the obviously better coached team on Sunday when our Browns pretty easily handled Cable's Raiders? You'd think that might sway your thinking a bit in the Cable/Mangini debate.
Over the last three games, we are the best running team in the NFL. In two of the three games we've been stout against the run. We've been vulnerable against the pass, but we have a WR playing safety and a safety playing corner.
I'm guessing that the teams fighting for their playoff lives this week . . . Baltimore, New York, Pitt, are glad they aren't facing the Browns.
Right now, I'd say we are one of the more dangerous sub .500 teams in the NFL.
Really?
The team has a good chance to improve from its 4-12 record last year and could easily be in position to finish 7-9 but for a strip of Harrison against Cincy returned for a TD and a last-ditch hail Mary attempt and a questionable interference penalty against the Lions. And they did it while trading away key players from last year's team for 2010 picks, and righting a salary cap gone horribly wrong. And with key early injuries to Tucker, Heiden, Hadnot and James Davis . . . all of whom I think they were counting on to contribute to the offense.
Oakland will likely have the same record it had last year. 5 wins.
And did you happen to notice the obviously better coached team on Sunday when our Browns pretty easily handled Cable's Raiders? You'd think that might sway your thinking a bit in the Cable/Mangini debate.
Over the last three games, we are the best running team in the NFL. In two of the three games we've been stout against the run. We've been vulnerable against the pass, but we have a WR playing safety and a safety playing corner.
I'm guessing that the teams fighting for their playoff lives this week . . . Baltimore, New York, Pitt, are glad they aren't facing the Browns.
Right now, I'd say we are one of the more dangerous sub .500 teams in the NFL.
Yes, it is true that the Browns are in position to improve on last year's 4-12 record. Sure, it's only by one game, but in five years--watch out!
The Browns clearly handled the Raiders on Sunday, and I did think about whether or not that would affect my argument about Cable being better this year than Mangini. On the balance, I still think Cable has donte a better job this year. If you want to count the games the Browns have lost--but were competitive in--then you would have to do the same for the Raiders.
As to the running game. The Browns have absolutely done a great job running the football in the last couple of games. What about the early part of the season--does Mangini bear any responsibility for that? Since Harrison has clearly shown that he's the #1 back on the team, why did it take the Mangenius so long to recognize his talent? Would the Browns have been so good on the ground if Jamal Lewis hadn't gotten injured, thus making the decision for him?
As for the bubble teams not wanting to play the Browns, I'm for being a fan, but while I'm sure they would rather play the Chiefs or Lions, being the most dangerous 4-11 team in the NFL is hardly something to hang your hat on.
Dennis
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Really?
The team has a good chance to improve from its 4-12 record last year and could easily be in position to finish 7-9 but for a strip of Harrison against Cincy returned for a TD and a last-ditch hail Mary attempt and a questionable interference penalty against the Lions. And they did it while trading away key players from last year's team for 2010 picks, and righting a salary cap gone horribly wrong. And with key early injuries to Tucker, Heiden, Hadnot and James Davis . . . all of whom I think they were counting on to contribute to the offense.
Oakland will likely have the same record it had last year. 5 wins.
And did you happen to notice the obviously better coached team on Sunday when our Browns pretty easily handled Cable's Raiders? You'd think that might sway your thinking a bit in the Cable/Mangini debate.
Over the last three games, we are the best running team in the NFL. In two of the three games we've been stout against the run. We've been vulnerable against the pass, but we have a WR playing safety and a safety playing corner.
I'm guessing that the teams fighting for their playoff lives this week . . . Baltimore, New York, Pitt, are glad they aren't facing the Browns.
Right now, I'd say we are one of the more dangerous sub .500 teams in the NFL.
Yes, it is true that the Browns are in position to improve on last year's 4-12 record. Sure, it's only by one game, but in five years--watch out!
The Browns clearly handled the Raiders on Sunday, and I did think about whether or not that would affect my argument about Cable being better this year than Mangini. On the balance, I still think Cable has donte a better job this year. If you want to count the games the Browns have lost--but were competitive in--then you would have to do the same for the Raiders.
As to the running game. The Browns have absolutely done a great job running the football in the last couple of games. What about the early part of the season--does Mangini bear any responsibility for that? Since Harrison has clearly shown that he's the #1 back on the team, why did it take the Mangenius so long to recognize his talent? Would the Browns have been so good on the ground if Jamal Lewis hadn't gotten injured, thus making the decision for him?
As for the bubble teams not wanting to play the Browns, I'm for being a fan, but while I'm sure they would rather play the Chiefs or Lions, being the most dangerous 4-11 team in the NFL is hardly something to hang your hat on.
Dennis
Yes, it is true that the Browns are in position to improve on last year's 4-12 record. Sure, it's only by one game, but in five years--watch out!
The Browns clearly handled the Raiders on Sunday, and I did think about whether or not that would affect my argument about Cable being better this year than Mangini. On the balance, I still think Cable has donte a better job this year. If you want to count the games the Browns have lost--but were competitive in--then you would have to do the same for the Raiders.
As to the running game. The Browns have absolutely done a great job running the football in the last couple of games. What about the early part of the season--does Mangini bear any responsibility for that? Since Harrison has clearly shown that he's the #1 back on the team, why did it take the Mangenius so long to recognize his talent? Would the Browns have been so good on the ground if Jamal Lewis hadn't gotten injured, thus making the decision for him?
As for the bubble teams not wanting to play the Browns, I'm for being a fan, but while I'm sure they would rather play the Chiefs or Lions, being the most dangerous 4-11 team in the NFL is hardly something to hang your hat on.
Dennis
People who point to the first part of the season don't understand what it means to rebuild a team. Of course you're going to struggle early on. The recent success is a result of a good system being executed properly. And Harrison? I think it is better that he is in now instead of before he was ready. PLayers need to earn their time so I have no problem with keeping him out early on. Plus, he fumbles a little bit more than any HC can be comfortable with.
4-11 is something to hang your hat on. Fans have a problem lumping the last 11 years together. This is year one with Mangini. And if you can win 5 games, one against the Steelers, in a rebuilding building year, you're doing pretty well. And its something to hang your hat on.
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