Mangini's Positives IMO
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- Overcoming a draft volume of 5 in 2008 (with no day 1 picks and only Rubin as keeper material).
- Winning on days our Qbs either went 2 of 17 passing or completed 30-47% of their passes.
- Winning in the absence of Shaun Rodgers & D'Qwell Jackson (as I mentioned in the Reverend Sez post who asked for Em to be fired)
- Giving me my first GOOD group of 3-4 LBers to look at since the re-inception of the 3-4.
- Improving 3-4 dlinemen like Corey Williams, Rubin and Schaeferling.
- Replacing Savage's idea of the best athlete on the planet (Brodney Pool) with Mike Furrey for good results while starting Mike Adams over Brandon McDonald (McDonald still has value as a 3rd corner IMO).
- Drafting a Center to be the apex of an oline that averaged about 175 yards a game on the ground the second we got Jamal's DEAD legs out of our lineup. The oline criticism came to an abrupt end the day we started a RB that could get from stance to daylight and do something with that daylight.
- ADDING the following players to the active roster that FIT that fit coachability and the attitude Mangini wanted here: David Bowens (stud), Kaluka Maiava, Jason Trusnik, Matt Roth, Moore, Pork Chop, Jennings, Schaeferling.
- Winning 4 consecutive games for the first time since BB did it over 15 years ago.
- If you wanted a Coach that could overcome a terrible deck dealt (causing 7-8 new starters on offense and about the same on defense) to change the mind of so many disappointed fans, you got a guy that had EVERY post game show saying the Cleveland Browns turned into one of the toughest teams to beat in the second half of the season. The SAME Shannon Sharp that called the Savage collection of players early on the worst team he's seen - was the one saying they turned out to be one of the toughest teams to beat for the record.
- The NY Jets didn't get their last 2 opponents pulling important starters on them the last 2 weeks; and they finished just as 9-7 as Rex Ryan just did. What I'm getting at here is anytime Mangini has had competant QBs he was winning at least 9 games in NY. In Cleveland, he had to win all 5 games without 1 completion percentage over 47%. I haven't seen any other coach here accomplish this even BB with Todd Philcox.
- He knows how to hire GOOD coaches too.
- Last but not least, as a long time fan getting accustomed to seasons ending with no offensive TDs in the final month or 2 - I'm FINALLY excited about this team again as we head into an offseason where mangin restored a draft volume of Savage emaciations to 11 draft picks in April. Blast away at that if you can naysayers but i'm not buying any of it.
- Tom F.
The SAME Shannon Sharp that called the Savage collection of players early on the worst team he's seen - was the one saying they turned out to be one of the toughest teams to beat for the record.
Video of CBS post-game show where Shannon praises Cleveland Browns:
Notice what Sharp says in response to "can they find a coach": "we're gonna stick with Eric Mangini." Right on, Shannon.
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Great points by many. I also believe that Marcus Benard may just be a diamond in the rough. It will be very interesting to see how he comes on in training camp getting more attention as a possible starter.
Mike
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I think that Chip Banks said it best when he called the views of Harrison not playing before now "myopic".
Early on, not only was his production erratic but his work in practice was questionable (per an interview with Harrison himself) and he was not picking up the blitz at ALL. He and Mangini discussed it and he worked his way back. Granted he was thrust back into the role when Lewis was done for the year but Jennings could have easily been given those carries. Running back was much like the QB position this year except that someone actually won this job.
QB was a different story but you could look at it two ways. First, you could say that Mangini should have given it to Quinn and stuck with him longer. On the other hand, Quinn was not moving the offense. He wasn't in sync with anyone in the passing game and he was checking down constantly. When they gave him the starting job, they were hoping he could at least move the ball. He wasn't doing that. Perhaps he wasn't ready for prime time. Mangini and the rest of the staff look at the bench and see #3. He gets the ball and the offense seems to move a bit. In the end, however, he isn't able to generate more than the 6-3 Stupor Bowl win over Buffalo. People are screaming to replace him with Quinn. Let's pause there.
What would everyone say if Anderson got benched after 3 games? They'd say that "Eric Mangini doesn't have any clue what he's doing". At this point, the situation is officially SCROD (past plu-perfect)...
The only option that they must've felt they had was to see if DA could work himself out of the funk. He couldn't. The bye week comes and it's the natural break in the season. At this point, with two weeks off and the national media commenting on everything that's wrong with the organization....it's the obvious time to switch back.
Now, I'm not a Quinn fan. I don't think that ultimately I like either of these guys BUT #10 did seize the second chance and play well....or at least well enough. He didn't turn the ball over which at this point was all that you could ask for. Injury happens...DA manages to not lose the last two games while Harrison carries the load.
The point I am trying to make here is that he is criticized for his handling of these situations. To me, I can see how this sequence could carry out logically and not through some inability to coach or determine talent.
He was oft-criticized for his "opportunity sessions" and his insistence on signing guys that aren't Nos 1-22 in talent but filled out considerable depth on the roster. How do you think you survive injuries to Shaun Rogers and to D'Qwell Jackson? Why do you think that the special teams are so good? Thank the opportunity sessions and the constant churning of the bottom end of the roster.
Ultimately, Eric Mangini's positives should include that he stayed the course when everyone else was jumping ship. It may not be enough to save his job but it was a damn fine show of conviction that won over the locker room.
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- Overcoming a draft volume of 5 in 2008 (with no day 1 picks and only Rubin as keeper material).
- Winning on days our Qbs either went 2 of 17 passing or completed 30-47% of their passes.
- Winning in the absence of Shaun Rodgers & D'Qwell Jackson (as I mentioned in the Reverend Sez post who asked for Em to be fired)
- Giving me my first GOOD group of 3-4 LBers to look at since the re-inception of the 3-4.
- Improving 3-4 dlinemen like Corey Williams, Rubin and Schaeferling.
- Replacing Savage's idea of the best athlete on the planet (Brodney Pool) with Mike Furrey for good results while starting Mike Adams over Brandon McDonald (McDonald still has value as a 3rd corner IMO).
- Drafting a Center to be the apex of an oline that averaged about 175 yards a game on the ground the second we got Jamal's DEAD legs out of our lineup. The oline criticism came to an abrupt end the day we started a RB that could get from stance to daylight and do something with that daylight.
- ADDING the following players to the active roster that FIT that fit coachability and the attitude Mangini wanted here: David Bowens (stud), Kaluka Maiava, Jason Trusnik, Matt Roth, Moore, Pork Chop, Jennings, Schaeferling.
- Winning 4 consecutive games for the first time since BB did it over 15 years ago.
- If you wanted a Coach that could overcome a terrible deck dealt (causing 7-8 new starters on offense and about the same on defense) to change the mind of so many disappointed fans, you got a guy that had EVERY post game show saying the Cleveland Browns turned into one of the toughest teams to beat in the second half of the season. The SAME Shannon Sharp that called the Savage collection of players early on the worst team he's seen - was the one saying they turned out to be one of the toughest teams to beat for the record.
- The NY Jets didn't get their last 2 opponents pulling important starters on them the last 2 weeks; and they finished just as 9-7 as Rex Ryan just did. What I'm getting at here is anytime Mangini has had competant QBs he was winning at least 9 games in NY. In Cleveland, he had to win all 5 games without 1 completion percentage over 47%. I haven't seen any other coach here accomplish this even BB with Todd Philcox.
- He knows how to hire GOOD coaches too.
- Last but not least, as a long time fan getting accustomed to seasons ending with no offensive TDs in the final month or 2 - I'm FINALLY excited about this team again as we head into an offseason where mangin restored a draft volume of Savage emaciations to 11 draft picks in April. Blast away at that if you can naysayers but i'm not buying any of it.
- Tom F.
- Overcoming a draft volume of 5 in 2008 (with no day 1 picks and only Rubin as keeper material).
- Winning on days our Qbs either went 2 of 17 passing or completed 30-47% of their passes.
- Winning in the absence of Shaun Rodgers & D'Qwell Jackson (as I mentioned in the Reverend Sez post who asked for Em to be fired)
- Giving me my first GOOD group of 3-4 LBers to look at since the re-inception of the 3-4.
- Improving 3-4 dlinemen like Corey Williams, Rubin and Schaeferling.
- Replacing Savage's idea of the best athlete on the planet (Brodney Pool) with Mike Furrey for good results while starting Mike Adams over Brandon McDonald (McDonald still has value as a 3rd corner IMO).
- Drafting a Center to be the apex of an oline that averaged about 175 yards a game on the ground the second we got Jamal's DEAD legs out of our lineup. The oline criticism came to an abrupt end the day we started a RB that could get from stance to daylight and do something with that daylight.
- ADDING the following players to the active roster that FIT that fit coachability and the attitude Mangini wanted here: David Bowens (stud), Kaluka Maiava, Jason Trusnik, Matt Roth, Moore, Pork Chop, Jennings, Schaeferling.
- Winning 4 consecutive games for the first time since BB did it over 15 years ago.
- If you wanted a Coach that could overcome a terrible deck dealt (causing 7-8 new starters on offense and about the same on defense) to change the mind of so many disappointed fans, you got a guy that had EVERY post game show saying the Cleveland Browns turned into one of the toughest teams to beat in the second half of the season. The SAME Shannon Sharp that called the Savage collection of players early on the worst team he's seen - was the one saying they turned out to be one of the toughest teams to beat for the record.
- The NY Jets didn't get their last 2 opponents pulling important starters on them the last 2 weeks; and they finished just as 9-7 as Rex Ryan just did. What I'm getting at here is anytime Mangini has had competant QBs he was winning at least 9 games in NY. In Cleveland, he had to win all 5 games without 1 completion percentage over 47%. I haven't seen any other coach here accomplish this even BB with Todd Philcox.
- He knows how to hire GOOD coaches too.
- Last but not least, as a long time fan getting accustomed to seasons ending with no offensive TDs in the final month or 2 - I'm FINALLY excited about this team again as we head into an offseason where mangin restored a draft volume of Savage emaciations to 11 draft picks in April. Blast away at that if you can naysayers but i'm not buying any of it.
- Tom F.
He knows how to hire GOOD coaches too.
Except for one.
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The SAME Shannon Sharp that called the Savage collection of players early on the worst team he's seen - was the one saying they turned out to be one of the toughest teams to beat for the record.
Video of CBS post-game show where Shannon praises Cleveland Browns:
Notice what Sharp says in response to "can they find a coach": "we're gonna stick with Eric Mangini." Right on, Shannon.
Video of CBS post-game show where Shannon praises Cleveland Browns:
Notice what Sharp says in response to "can they find a coach": "we're gonna stick with Eric Mangini." Right on, Shannon.
Wow for once Shannon took the bag of marbles out of his mouth when he spoke so i could actually understand him
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Video of CBS post-game show where Shannon praises Cleveland Browns:
Notice what Sharp says in response to "can they find a coach": "we're gonna stick with Eric Mangini." Right on, Shannon.
Wow for once Shannon took the bag of marbles out of his mouth when he spoke so i could actually understand him
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I'll tell you the one thing that really bugs me:
All the "experts" and sports writers point to our low passing yardage and overall bad QB play.
Remember when the Ravens won the superbowl? They did it by running Jamal Lewis and suffocating on defense. In our last 4 games we've had decent-great defense and unbelievable running ability. Why should it matter what our QBs are doing if we're winning?
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I'll tell you the one thing that really bugs me:
All the "experts" and sports writers point to our low passing yardage and overall bad QB play.
Remember when the Ravens won the superbowl? They did it by running Jamal Lewis and suffocating on defense. In our last 4 games we've had decent-great defense and unbelievable running ability. Why should it matter what our QBs are doing if we're winning?
I'll tell you the one thing that really bugs me:
All the "experts" and sports writers point to our low passing yardage and overall bad QB play.
Remember when the Ravens won the superbowl? They did it by running Jamal Lewis and suffocating on defense. In our last 4 games we've had decent-great defense and unbelievable running ability. Why should it matter what our QBs are doing if we're winning?
if j.lewis doesn't get injured we go 1-15.Jerome Harrison hit the same holes by the same line that lewis couldn't.
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I'll tell you the one thing that really bugs me:
All the "experts" and sports writers point to our low passing yardage and overall bad QB play.
Remember when the Ravens won the superbowl? They did it by running Jamal Lewis and suffocating on defense. In our last 4 games we've had decent-great defense and unbelievable running ability. Why should it matter what our QBs are doing if we're winning?
if j.lewis doesn't get injured we go 1-15.Jerome Harrison hit the same holes by the same line that lewis couldn't.
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Yeah, Harrison's seven rushes for nine yards was the difference in that Steeler beat down. Forget the EIGHT sacks.
the point was mangini stuck with lewis even though he couldn't hit the hole quick enough.Jennings and Harrison were able to.so like i said the browns would be 1-15 had lewis not gotten injured.mangini wasn't the reason for the 4 game win streak.
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