An inconvenient Absence

[Pumpkin Eater]

it's been a record cold snap here in Florida.

[Kosar_For_President]

@pumpkin-eater said:

it's been a record cold snap here in Florida.

I don't believe you, let me check the pier review evidence.

[Mr. T]

Who remembers the blizzard of 78?

I know some of you were not even a twinkle in your fathers eye yet.

[Pumpkin Eater]

@kosar_for_president said:

I don't believe you, let me check the pier review evidence.

Talk to Gore yet?

[Mr. T]

Thursday for heavy snow and wind chills as low as 50 below zero

Once again Al Gore and global warming are stimuleting the economy, think of all of those frozen/broken pipes and i wonder how many heat pumps failed.

Looks like a plumbers nightmare. $$$$

[Kosar_For_President]

@pumpkin-eater said:

Talk to Gore yet?

I was joking.

[Kosar_For_President]

@mr.-t said:

Who remembers the blizzard of 78?

I know some of you were not even a twinkle in your fathers eye yet.

I was 1. I remember my mom telling me about it. Our heat failed and we all had to camp in one room with a heater and canned food.

[calfoxwc]

This weather is amazing. For days it's been colder over a week and a half than I can remember, ever, meaning consistently over that time.

And the snow is so deep, Bernie Kosar doesn't want to go hiking back toward our woods... it actually rubs his belly and private parts.

And, that isn't even where the snow has drifted high.

So, I think I injured my right knee, jumping out of the bed of our four by four, when we took some uneeded farm equipment to the

New Year's giant auction. I landed on ice. dammit.

So, the snow is so deep, I just drive our 4x4 400cc ATV back there. Now, that's some fun.

But the weather is dangerous, and there has even been a big campaign down around Dallas, to

alert those folks about hypothermia, since they hardly have much serious cold weather down there.

Meanwhile, 150,000 tropical fish died in Florida. They froze.

Record temps for several areas of the U.S. have been set.

A very prominent expert, a climate change scientist, predicts about 30 years of a new mini-ice age.

And the global warming fraud four have bolted this forum to avoid talking about it.

I expect they will return in the summer, on a nice hot day.

I called their bs a long time ago. Their ice sculpture chicken has now come home to roost - frozen solid.

[osusev]

http://www.bnl.gov/weather/DailyTemp.asp

http://www.bnl.gov/weather/4cast/01-jantemp.html

notice how all of the "high years" are the most recent.......

peoples opinions based upon their perception of their memory or current "feelings"....... facts are what they are

[calfoxwc]

UN climate scientist even says global warming has paused Sev.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...tarts-here.html

Man made global warming is SO over.

Never was a fact.

Just a political prod, a manipulative tool to garner support for liberalism.

[calfoxwc]

From the National Center for Policy Analysis:

*************************************

Global Warming

January 12, 2010

THE MINI ICE AGE STARTS HERE

The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world's most eminent climate scientists.

Their predictions -- based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans -- challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy's most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013.

• According to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 -- and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.
• The scientists' predictions also undermine the standard climate computer models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise.

They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a "warm mode" as opposed to the present "cold mode."

This challenge to the widespread view that the planet is on the brink of an irreversible catastrophe is all the greater because the scientists could never be described as global warming "deniers" or skeptics.

Source: David Rose, "The mini ice age starts here," Daily Mail, January 10, 2010.

For text:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...tarts-here.html#

For more on Global Warming:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_Category=32

[Kosar_For_President]

@osusev said:

http://www.bnl.gov/weather/DailyTemp.asp

http://www.bnl.gov/weather/4cast/01-jantemp.html

notice how all of the "high years" are the most recent.......

peoples opinions based upon their perception of their memory or current "feelings"....... facts are what they are

Algorephobia?

[calfoxwc]

Meanwhile, a Russian scientist predicts an upcoming ice age, due to decreasing solar activity.

Gosh, too bad Algore the Ogre doesn't know about him, either:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Russian-sci...Age-17621.shtml

[Pumpkin Eater]

@kosar_for_president said:

I was joking.

I know 🥷

[osusev]

interesting the two responses to factual data in reference to their positions is sarcasm and a misdirection about a hypothesis that is well established but does nothing to dispute man caused median temperature increases.

If you want to point to other obvious things that are going to happen that will affect overall weather...... magnetic pole shifting...... yellowstone volcanic activity....... while all of those things are going to happen sooner or later neither discounts current peer reviewed data showing trends in virtually all scientific disciplines toward man affecting a warming trend...... This is about balance that affects all of us our only symbiotic home.... cause and effect....... whether we are the tipping point or a major cause means virtually nothing, all that matters is that if we poison the only home we have there is no recourse.

IF you had responding to backing your positions with hardcore data showing different information it would be more serious. Sarcasm and pointing to other variables does not affect the now widely accepted findings from virtually every major university in the world and organizations.... like I stated before if you think the NSA from our own country is made up of stupid people or even NASA or the National academies of Science and countless others..... well I would rather side on the CONSERVative position and error on the side of caution...... I wonder how all of the tobacco science backers laughing at the cancer link are feeling........

[Pumpkin Eater]

@osusev said:

interesting the two responses to factual data in reference to their positions is sarcasm and a misdirection about a hypothesis that is well established but does nothing to dispute man caused median temperature increases.

If you want to point to other obvious things that are going to happen that will affect overall weather...... magnetic pole shifting...... yellowstone volcanic activity....... while all of those things are going to happen sooner or later neither discounts current peer reviewed data showing trends in virtually all scientific disciplines toward man affecting a warming trend...... This is about balance that affects all of us our only symbiotic home.... cause and effect....... whether we are the tipping point or a major cause means virtually nothing, all that matters is that if we poison the only home we have there is no recourse.

IF you had responding to backing your positions with hardcore data showing different information it would be more serious. Sarcasm and pointing to other variables does not affect the now widely accepted findings from virtually every major university in the world and organizations.... like I stated before if you think the NSA from our own country is made up of stupid people or even NASA or the National academies of Science and countless others..... well I would rather side on the CONSERVative position and error on the side of caution...... I wonder how all of the tobacco science backers laughing at the cancer link are feeling........

Warming trend? The earth has been going through a cooling trend for the last decade. What are you talking about? MMGW is malarkey. Did you hear about 31,000 scientists who petitioned the government not to get involved in the farce of MMGW because that's what it is... a farce?

http://www.oism.org/pproject/

they even have a list of all that signed it, in alphabetical order.

updated page:

http://www.petitionproject.org/

[Pumpkin Eater]

here's the facts.

http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/...iew_OISM150.pdf

notice the direct correlation between air temps and solar activity. Direct. And we know that no one was conspiring behind the scenes to hide data.

I don't understand how anyone can argue with this.

[osusev]

like i said post up the data from an accredited source and than post its reviewed status from something like Nature or any internationally recognized scientific organization instead of spouting some opinion well...... than maybe your on to something.

Like I said the NSA and Nasa must be made up of suckers who are all politically paid for..... that list..... well because of the very nature of science skepticism is in fact healthy..... 31000...... my that is a large number.....

EVERY major university in the WORLD has backed global warming along with EVERY major scientific organization...... CERN (you know the stupid guys who developed the internet) EVERY major industrialized Nation in the world along with most of the 2nd and 3rd world nations...... wow 31000..... in the face of well millions........ hmmmmmm wow

funny how the studies never seem to materialize from the opposition..... just pr and opinion....... weird.....

hmmmmm 31000....... do you know how many people believe that humans walked with dinosaurs?......... far more than 31000.........

[osusev]

@pumpkin-eater said:

here's the facts.

http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/...iew_OISM150.pdf

notice the direct correlation between air temps and solar activity. Direct. And we know that no one was conspiring behind the scenes to hide data.

I don't understand how anyone can argue with this.

ok than...... well hmmmmm you got me......I love this petition..... cant see how this might be problematic.....

The text of the petition (which was on a reply card) reads, in its entirety:

“ We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

”

The text of the petition often is misrepresented. For example, until recently the petition's website stated that the petition's signatories "declare that global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever"and the British newspaper Daily Telegraph reported that the petition "denies that man is responsible for global warming." As seen above, the petition uses the terms catastrophic heating and disruption rather than "global warming."

The original article associated with the petition (see below) defined "global warming" as "severe increases in Earth's atmospheric and surface temperatures, with disastrous environmental consequences". This differs from both scientific usage and dictionary definitions, in which "global warming" is an increase in the global mean atmospheric temperature without implying that the increase is "severe" or will have "disastrous environmental consequences."

The 1997 version of the article states that "over the past two decades, when CO2 levels have been at their highest, global average temperatures have actually cooled slightly" and says that this was based on comparison of satellite data (for 1979-1997) and balloon data from 1979-96. At the time the petition was written, this was unclear. Since then the satellite record has been revised, and shows warming

I love this petition....... it only gets better

because of various criticisms made of the two Leipzig Declarations, the Oregon Petition Project claimed to adopt a number of measures, though none of these claims have been independently verified:

* The petitioners could submit responses only by physical mail, not electronic mail, to limit fraud. Older signatures submitted via the web were not removed. The verification of the scientists was listed at 95%, but the means by which this verification was done was not specified.

* Signatories to the petition were requested to list an academic degree. The petition sponsors stated that approximately two thirds held higher degrees. As of 2008, the petition's website states that "The current list of 31,072 petition signers includes 9,021 PhD; 6,961 MS; 2,240 MD and DVM; and 12,850 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science."

* Petitioners were also requested to list their academic discipline. The petition sponsors state the following numbers of individuals from each discipline: 1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences: 3,697; 2. Computer and mathematical sciences: 903; 3. Physics and aerospace sciences: 5,691; 4. Chemistry: 4,796; 5. Biology and agriculture: 2,924; 6. Medicine: 3,069; 7. Engineering and general science: 9,992. As of 2007, about 2,400 people in addition to the original 17,100 signatories were "trained in fields other than science or whose field of specialization was not specified on their returned petition."

* The Petition Project itself avoided any funding or association with the energy industries.

The term "scientists" is often used in describing signatories; however, many of the signatories have degrees in engineering or medicine, including veterinary medicine. The distribution of petitions was relatively uncontrolled: those receiving the petition could check a line that said "send more petition cards for me to distribute".

The Petition Project itself used to state:

“ Of the 19,700 signatures that the project has received in total so far, 17,800 have been independently verified and the other 1,900 have not yet been independently verified. Of those signers holding the degree of PhD, 95% have now been independently verified. One name that was sent in by enviro pranksters, Geri Halliwell, PhD, has been eliminated. Several names, such as Perry Mason and Robert Byrd are still on the list even though enviro press reports have ridiculed their identity with the names of famous personalities. They are actual signers. Perry Mason, for example, is a PhD Chemist

A number of critics of the petition questioned the scientific credentials and the authenticity of the names of the signatories.

In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:

“ Several environmental groups questioned some of the names in the petition. For instance: "Perry S. Mason", who was a legitimate scientist who shared the name of a TV character. Similarly, "Michael J. Fox", "Robert C. Byrd", and "John C. Grisham" were signatories with names shared with famous people. Geraldine Halliwell was added as: "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell." This name may have been contributed by a proxy trying to discredit the petition since Ms. Halliwell has never admitted to signing the petition.

Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. "When we're getting thousands of signatures there's no way of filtering out a fake," he said.

”

In 2001, Scientific American reported:

“ Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community. ”

In a 2005 op-ed in the Hawaii Reporter, Todd Shelly wrote:

“ In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal & Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g., institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?[

[osusev]

The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) is a 501(3) non-profit organization located about seven miles from Cave Junction, Oregon. It has been described as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging."

The institute is headed by Dr. Arthur B. Robinson, who received the Ph.D. degree in Chemistry from the California Institute of Technology. Robinson established OISM in 1980 after a disagreement with his mentor Linus Pauling.[1] Other listed faculty are biochemist Martin D. Kamen (died in 2002), Nobel prize-winning chemist R. Bruce Merrifield (died in 2006), Salk Institute biochemist Dr. Fred Westall, electrical engineer Carl Boehme, physician Dr. Jane Orient, chemist Noah E. Robinson, and veterinarian Dr. Zachary W. Robinson.[2]

The OISM circulated the Oregon Petition, a "Scientists' Petition" on global warming, in collaboration with the late Frederick Seitz, former president of the National Academy of Sciences. OISM founder Arthur Robinson is a global warming skeptic.

The OISM website states that "several members of the Institute's staff are also well known for their work on the Petition Project, an undertaking that has obtained the signatures of more than 31,000 American scientists opposed, on scientific grounds, to the hypothesis of "human-caused global warming" and to concomitant proposals for world-wide energy taxation and rationing."[3]

OISM markets a home-schooling kit for parents who are concerned about how "American schools have degraded severely."[4] Another OISM project is Doctors for Disaster Preparedness. The Institute publishes the book "Nuclear War Survival Skills," by Cresson Kearny, describing how to survive nuclear war.[5] , and also in 1986 published Fighting Chance by Gary North and Arthur Robinson, advocating a revival of the federal government civil defense program.

hmmmm weird cant see why some non profit organization would be criticized........