Holmgren dodges Quinn question, again
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I don't see as Holmgren as having "dodged" anything. I just feel he will not blurt out opinions until he is sure what he is discussing.
My take...
Do we have a management team with knowledge & successful experience?...YEP
Do I trust them?...YEP
Do they know more than I?...YEP (MUCH, MUCH more!)
All the above translates to my feeling that the Browns are in excellent hands & any questioning of their actions/decisions at this point is premature to say the least. Once again folks,in all probability we won't have a Super Bowl team in a year, but we are DEFINITELY headed in a very positive direction. The foundation is now solid.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
That's a stretch. They're both equally terrible.
Both bad, yes. But DA is much worse. But at least Quinn threw more touchdowns than interceptions this year. DA threw at least 1 interception in every game he played this year except for the game against the Raiders. That's unprecedented terrible play. not to mention the fact that DA completed less than 50% of his passes this year. He played worse than Jamarcus Russell. DA is much worse than Quinn. 2/17 passing is all you need to know.
Both bad, yes. But DA is much worse. But at least Quinn threw more touchdowns than interceptions this year. DA threw at least 1 interception in every game he played this year except for the game against the Raiders. That's unprecedented terrible play. not to mention the fact that DA completed less than 50% of his passes this year. He played worse than Jamarcus Russell. DA is much worse than Quinn. 2/17 passing is all you need to know.
Granted, Quinn's 6-for-19 performance against Pittsburgh wasn't that much better. On both occasions, Quinn's and Anderson's, they were saved by other facets of the game. In Anderson's case, he was saved by Buffalo's complete ineptitude. In Quinn's case, he was saved by Cleveland's defense stepping up and putting a hurtin' on Roethlisberger.
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I don't see as Holmgren as having "dodged" anything. I just feel he will not blurt out opinions until he is sure what he is discussing.
My take...
Do we have a management team with knowledge & successful experience?...YEP
Do I trust them?...YEP
Do they know more than I?...YEP (MUCH, MUCH more!)
All the above translates to my feeling that the Browns are in excellent hands & any questioning of their actions/decisions at this point is premature to say the least. Once again folks,in all probability we won't have a Super Bowl team in a year, but we are DEFINITELY headed in a very positive direction. The foundation is now solid.
Mike
I don't see as Holmgren as having "dodged" anything. I just feel he will not blurt out opinions until he is sure what he is discussing.
My take...
Do we have a management team with knowledge & successful experience?...YEP
Do I trust them?...YEP
Do they know more than I?...YEP (MUCH, MUCH more!)
All the above translates to my feeling that the Browns are in excellent hands & any questioning of their actions/decisions at this point is premature to say the least. Once again folks,in all probability we won't have a Super Bowl team in a year, but we are DEFINITELY headed in a very positive direction. The foundation is now solid.
Mike
Thanks for ending this thread!
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That's a stretch. They're both equally terrible.
Both bad, yes. But DA is much worse. But at least Quinn threw more touchdowns than interceptions this year. DA threw at least 1 interception in every game he played this year except for the game against the Raiders. That's unprecedented terrible play. not to mention the fact that DA completed less than 50% of his passes this year. He played worse than Jamarcus Russell. DA is much worse than Quinn. 2/17 passing is all you need to know.
Both bad, yes. But DA is much worse. But at least Quinn threw more touchdowns than interceptions this year. DA threw at least 1 interception in every game he played this year except for the game against the Raiders. That's unprecedented terrible play. not to mention the fact that DA completed less than 50% of his passes this year. He played worse than Jamarcus Russell. DA is much worse than Quinn. 2/17 passing is all you need to know.
All that doesn't matter and you obviously have never been around scouts, or understand scouting and what people look for.
It's all about ceiling and projectability....DA has the ceiling and projectability coaches and scouts love...BQ doesn't.
BQ had the "intangibles" which isn't much and should show up right away.
Long term, with nearly any coach, DA gets the nod.
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How can you possibly believe DA to be the better QB. DA perform exceptionally bad this year. Much worse than Quinn. Even worse than Jamarcus Russell. DA is pure trash. Just accept it please. He's fools gold. Somehow he continues to trick people into thinking he has potential.
I never said DA was good. I said he's better than Quinn.
I never said DA was good. I said he's better than Quinn.
If Quinn ends up gone in the next several months and DA remains a Brown, you'll see the same posters stating as fact that the only reason for it was his hurt foot hurt his opportunity and the team management felt they needed at least one familiar face competing for the job rather than the team management decided DA might be better for the team as it now stands.
I'm sure Holmgren will sit down and look at what both QBs had to work with .... WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY PLAYING.... I know that's a huge concept to grasp for many on the board, but this team basically retooled a time or two during the season... QBs changed, linemen changed, receivers completely changed.... the only time either Browns QB played with lineups they'd really practiced with for three or more weeks was the first three weeks of the season and the last 4-5 weeks of the season. That doesn't leave a whole lot to draw on, but I bet the team management is better at piciking it apart than the casual fan.
No telling whether both of these Qbs are off the roster next year, but I bet one of them is.
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I never said DA was good. I said he's better than Quinn.
If Quinn ends up gone in the next several months and DA remains a Brown, you'll see the same posters stating as fact that the only reason for it was his hurt foot hurt his opportunity and the team management felt they needed at least one familiar face competing for the job rather than the team management decided DA might be better for the team as it now stands.
I'm sure Holmgren will sit down and look at what both QBs had to work with .... WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY PLAYING.... I know that's a huge concept to grasp for many on the board, but this team basically retooled a time or two during the season... QBs changed, linemen changed, receivers completely changed.... the only time either Browns QB played with lineups they'd really practiced with for three or more weeks was the first three weeks of the season and the last 4-5 weeks of the season. That doesn't leave a whole lot to draw on, but I bet the team management is better at piciking it apart than the casual fan.
No telling whether both of these Qbs are off the roster next year, but I bet one of them is.
If Quinn ends up gone in the next several months and DA remains a Brown, you'll see the same posters stating as fact that the only reason for it was his hurt foot hurt his opportunity and the team management felt they needed at least one familiar face competing for the job rather than the team management decided DA might be better for the team as it now stands.
I'm sure Holmgren will sit down and look at what both QBs had to work with .... WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY PLAYING.... I know that's a huge concept to grasp for many on the board, but this team basically retooled a time or two during the season... QBs changed, linemen changed, receivers completely changed.... the only time either Browns QB played with lineups they'd really practiced with for three or more weeks was the first three weeks of the season and the last 4-5 weeks of the season. That doesn't leave a whole lot to draw on, but I bet the team management is better at piciking it apart than the casual fan.
No telling whether both of these Qbs are off the roster next year, but I bet one of them is.
I know one thing Drunky, that DA really sucks.
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Both bad, yes. But DA is much worse. But at least Quinn threw more touchdowns than interceptions this year. DA threw at least 1 interception in every game he played this year except for the game against the Raiders. That's unprecedented terrible play. not to mention the fact that DA completed less than 50% of his passes this year. He played worse than Jamarcus Russell. DA is much worse than Quinn. 2/17 passing is all you need to know.
All that doesn't matter and you obviously have never been around scouts, or understand scouting and what people look for.
It's all about ceiling and projectability....DA has the ceiling and projectability coaches and scouts love...BQ doesn't.
BQ had the "intangibles" which isn't much and should show up right away.
Long term, with nearly any coach, DA gets the nod.
All that doesn't matter and you obviously have never been around scouts, or understand scouting and what people look for.
It's all about ceiling and projectability....DA has the ceiling and projectability coaches and scouts love...BQ doesn't.
BQ had the "intangibles" which isn't much and should show up right away.
Long term, with nearly any coach, DA gets the nod.
Why does DA have the higher ceiling? Just because he has the bigger arm? I don't know if I believe that. Remember, you can't teach QB vision.
If anything, I'd say they have an equal ceiling, just in two different offensive formats.
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When asked what he thought after watching the film on Quinn, Holmgren answered by talking about his injury instead of any type of analysis. Although did mention that he does know QBs. I still strongly believe his "tough decision" is trading Quinn. What do you all think of his reluctance to comment on Quinn? Especially when he has no problem at least complimenting Cribbs, Harrison, and fan favorite, DA.
When asked what he thought after watching the film on Quinn, Holmgren answered by talking about his injury instead of any type of analysis. Although did mention that he does know QBs. I still strongly believe his "tough decision" is trading Quinn. What do you all think of his reluctance to comment on Quinn? Especially when he has no problem at least complimenting Cribbs, Harrison, and fan favorite, DA.
Brady Quinn will never be a championship QB, book it. If that is what we want he is the guy. Otherwise trade him and move on and same with Anderson
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How is it that some people on here can tell if a college QB is going to be good based on that player playing with teammates who will be selling insurance in 6 months, bad opponates, and ZERO NFL games played to draw on? Yet they still use the argument that Quinn hasn't played enough or that his supporting cast was lackluster at best? What more do you, or more importantly Holmgren have to see before its settled that Quinn can't play in this league? Now, by saying Quinn can't play in this leaugue I am by no means saying that DA is Drew Bree I'm only trying to say that Quinn will not and should not be here next year. DA, I couldn't care less at this point. But if we do have to keep one why not have it be the guy who has been in 5 different offensive systems in 4 years yet has shown he can shoot the lights out when comfortable? And clearly has all of the physical tools to play in this league, instead of the handsome hometown guy who uses his law degree to charm fans and media yet has ZERO essential NFL tools and has NEVER displayed any ability to play and be effective in this league? Why is this even a debate anymore?
With that said, I want to reignite my wish last year around the trade deadline,
Heckert! Bring me Kevin Kolb!!!
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Both bad, yes. But DA is much worse. But at least Quinn threw more touchdowns than interceptions this year. DA threw at least 1 interception in every game he played this year except for the game against the Raiders. That's unprecedented terrible play. not to mention the fact that DA completed less than 50% of his passes this year. He played worse than Jamarcus Russell. DA is much worse than Quinn. 2/17 passing is all you need to know.
All that doesn't matter and you obviously have never been around scouts, or understand scouting and what people look for.
It's all about ceiling and projectability....DA has the ceiling and projectability coaches and scouts love...BQ doesn't.
BQ had the "intangibles" which isn't much and should show up right away.
Long term, with nearly any coach, DA gets the nod.
All that doesn't matter and you obviously have never been around scouts, or understand scouting and what people look for.
It's all about ceiling and projectability....DA has the ceiling and projectability coaches and scouts love...BQ doesn't.
BQ had the "intangibles" which isn't much and should show up right away.
Long term, with nearly any coach, DA gets the nod.
What do you know about scouting? Obviously nothing. That's why scouts suggested DA be selected on the 2nd day of the draft. That's why DA was cut by the Baltimore Ravens. DA is not good. He had a few fluke games 1 year and has never come close to duplicating his performance. He's never even completed 60% of his passes at any level since high school. He still throws tons of INT's. Look where a high ceiling and project-ability got Jamarcus Russel. Your analysis is foolish.
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Why does everyone insist on fighting over the 2 fat ugly girls at the dance?
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Because they have good character, pleasing personalities and lots of potential.
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