Bernie Kosar
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Last night I watched "The History of the Cleveland Browns" and on one of the discs, Steve Sabol sits down with Bernie and does an NFL Films segment on him. Now, I was 5 or 6 years old when Bernie was drafted and I definately remember him being great and have always loved the guy. But watching that now that I'm older gave me a new found respect for what that guy did here. I also watched NFL Films version of the "Marathon by the Lake" and OMG, Bernie was a pimp. Two cracked ribs, spitting up blood, down 10 points with 4 minutes left and what did he do? Stayed in the game because, here's the best part, he threw two picks earlier and refused to quit on his team and the city. Then, he improvises a play with Slaughter and it takes them down to the 3 yard line allowing them to tie and eventually win the game. 10 points in 3-1/2 minutes!
Now, I remember this game like it was yesterday but I was a little kid then. Understanding now how they won and what Bernie did for that team just blew me away. He may not be very articulate and comes off ditzy, but the guy has an absolutely uncanny knowledge of the game and most importantly of situations. My wife, who hates football, and had other things to do, could not walk away from the TV. She couldn't believe how clumsy and down right ugly "that guy" looked throwing the ball let alone dropping back in the pocket. But she mentioned that nomatter what, that ball ended up in exactly the right place with a fraction of an inch to spare. She left very impressed by "that guy". And the fake spike in Miami? She loved it! I understand what Otto and Sipe did with the Browns but isn't it a given that Bernie is the best Browns QB of all time? And second only to Jim Brown as the best Brown ever? Seeing him get a ring with Dallas back then hurt me a little. But considering he had 3 days to learn the playbook and he lead them to and through the NFC Championship game, he not only earned it, but more than anyone, he deserved it. Lets not forget that Bernie is and always will be "The Man".
I was 14 when they drafted Bernie. Having really only started watching or caring about the NFL when I was 13 in 1984 (and suffering through Paul MacDonald), Bernie was my first football hero. I as ungainly, clumsy, uncoordinated back then, but I was also intelligent, understood the game, and got great greats in school. So it was incredibly easy for me to place myself into his shoes and dream that one day I could be Bernie too. Obviously that didn't happen... but he was, and will always be my favorite player (that is unless Cribbs signs a new contract with the Browns and leads them to a couple Super Bowl.)
I always wondered how, with a porous offensive line and lead feet, Kosar was able to do what he did. And yet, he still did it, and well.
but I was also intelligent, understood the game, and got great greats in school.
After a line like that I dont think you can call yourself intelligent. Now either your parents payed the teachers off or your mom worked it off. Which one?
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After a line like that I dont think you can call yourself intelligent. Now either your parents payed the teachers off or your mom worked it off. Which one?
haha... yes, one spelling error means I'm an idiot.
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After a line like that I dont think you can call yourself intelligent. Now either your parents payed the teachers off or your mom worked it off. Which one?
Out of bounds dude.
You don't start calling someones Mama a whore.
Really
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speedymufflerhead needs a timeout.
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After a line like that I dont think you can call yourself intelligent. Now either your parents payed the teachers off or your mom worked it off. Which one?
How ironic.
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After a line like that I dont think you can call yourself intelligent. Now either your parents payed the teachers off or your mom worked it off. Which one?
There are several grammatical errors in your post. First of all, there should be a comma after the line "After a line like that." Then, there should ba an apostrophe in the word "don't." Then, there should be a comma after "Now" and after the first "off."
So, before you start calling people out on their spelling errors, make sure you aren't making some pretty dumb mistakes yourself. Especially like using "payed" instead of "paid."
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What does Queen do in the face of adversity? Takes a dive instead of trying to escape or taking a hit. Puss.
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Formerly Stone said:
I have always been amazed at the love affair Cleveland has with Kosar who was an average NFL QB. Granted he accomplished a lot given his physical limitations but he was still average.Brilliance of the Stoner, you gotta love it.
Berns was certainly no Stoudt or Malone.....you remember those guys?
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I was at that Jets game...and I love watching it on the highlights when its on TV.
I've always loved Bernie Kosar and it always amazes me how so-called Browns fans can bad-mouth him. He's human just like all of us but his love for the Browns and what he did for us back in the 80's is simply amazing.
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Neil O'Donnell sure warms the hearts of Yinzers everywhere.
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Formerly Stone said:
I have always been amazed at the love affair Cleveland has with Kosar who was an average NFL QB. Granted he accomplished a lot given his physical limitations but he was still average.No, he was well above average at the skills that counted: leadership, accuracy, understanding the game, tactics, winning.
I am not saying he was a Hall of Famer. Those physical limitations..a lot of which were the result of injury...are what held him back there.
Early on in his career his arm was a lot stronger than what you probably remember, but he had that sidearm delivery that made it look awkward, but at first he could hit a receiver on a dime 50 yards down the field. After suffering a series of elbow, wrist and hand injuries...yes, that strength diminished. He was never a bazooka arm like a Bradshaw or Elway, but he was better than you think.
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I like Bernie a lot, but no way was he the best QB....Graham takes that nod.
He might get second nod, but if so, it isn't by much over 2 others for sure and maybe three....Sipe, Ryan, and the forgotten great qb we had, Bill Nelson.
All three of those guys were right up there with Bernie, but if you didn't see them play, then i understand the nod to Kosar....and again, that isn't any dis to Bernie...as I said, I liked him a lot.
It's been a long time since we had a QB who we all could rally around....a guy you knew would bounce back after a rare bad game.
I think Bernie is looked at as highly by some is he was the last QB we had that was like that....since then we have had anywhere from bum to a 50% guy....half like him, half like the back-up.
Couch maybe had that for a year or two, but that was mostly because he was able to ride the wave of excitement of having our team back for the first few years of his career.
I like Bernie a lot, but no way was he the best QB....Graham takes that nod.
He might get second nod, but if so, it isn't by much over 2 others for sure and maybe three....Sipe, Ryan, and the forgotten great qb we had, Bill Nelson.
All three of those guys were right up there with Bernie, but if you didn't see them play, then i understand the nod to Kosar....and again, that isn't any dis to Bernie...as I said, I liked him a lot.
It's been a long time since we had a QB who we all could rally around....a guy you knew would bounce back after a rare bad game.
I think Bernie is looked at as highly by some is he was the last QB we had that was like that....since then we have had anywhere from bum to a 50% guy....half like him, half like the back-up.
Couch maybe had that for a year or two, but that was mostly because he was able to ride the wave of excitement of having our team back for the first few years of his career.
Well, I saw every one of those QBs play except Graham, and of all the Browns QBs I saw, Bernie was the best. He has the close edge for me over Ryan, Sipe, and Nelson.
I mean, the greatest physical speciman was Mike Phipps. But he was a total mental flop.
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Bradshaw was just an average NFL QB who was elevated by the roiders playing around him.
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Bradshaw was just an average NFL QB who was elevated by the roiders playing around him.
Bradshaw was just an average NFL QB who was elevated by the roiders playing around him.
Bradshaw blew. Totally and completely overrated cuz of all the roiders carrying him.
I completely agree.
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Formerly Stone said:
I have always been amazed at the love affair Cleveland has with Kosar who was an average NFL QB. Granted he accomplished a lot given his physical limitations but he was still average.I'm amazed you come on here constantly. Must really love Cleveland deep down. Right? Admit it.
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Formerly Stone said:
I have always been amazed at the love affair Cleveland has with Kosar who was an average NFL QB. Granted he accomplished a lot given his physical limitations but he was still average.I'm amazed you come on here constantly. Must really love Cleveland deep down. Right? Admit it.
I'm amazed you come on here constantly. Must really love Cleveland deep down. Right? Admit it.
Stoner likes to flirt.
You should see some of the PM's he sends me.
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I remember back in the 80's one of those made for TV "Superstars" competitions where they matched up the top QBs
from back then , they all had to do these little passing drills to determine the best of the bunch and I don't remember
exactly what they had to do overall ,but one of the drills was to throw a football through a tire as it zipped across the field.
All the big boyz where there Kelly,Elway,Young,Marino...they all missed ! except Bernie, so they bust his balls about a lucky
first throw,Bernie laughing the whole time picks up another ball and nails it again!
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Bradshaw Career
Comp. % 51.9
TD 212
INT 210
Y/A 7.2
NY/A 6.0
Rating 70.9
Kosar Career
Com % 59.3
TD 124
INT 87
Y/A 6.5
NY/A 5.9
Rating 81.8
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I like Bernie a lot, but no way was he the best QB....Graham takes that nod.
He might get second nod, but if so, it isn't by much over 2 others for sure and maybe three....Sipe, Ryan, and the forgotten great qb we had, Bill Nelson.
All three of those guys were right up there with Bernie, but if you didn't see them play, then i understand the nod to Kosar....and again, that isn't any dis to Bernie...as I said, I liked him a lot.
It's been a long time since we had a QB who we all could rally around....a guy you knew would bounce back after a rare bad game.
I think Bernie is looked at as highly by some is he was the last QB we had that was like that....since then we have had anywhere from bum to a 50% guy....half like him, half like the back-up.
Couch maybe had that for a year or two, but that was mostly because he was able to ride the wave of excitement of having our team back for the first few years of his career.
Well, I saw every one of those QBs play except Graham, and of all the Browns QBs I saw, Bernie was the best. He has the close edge for me over Ryan, Sipe, and Nelson.
I mean, the greatest physical speciman was Mike Phipps. But he was a total mental flop.
Well, I saw every one of those QBs play except Graham, and of all the Browns QBs I saw, Bernie was the best. He has the close edge for me over Ryan, Sipe, and Nelson.
I mean, the greatest physical speciman was Mike Phipps. But he was a total mental flop
.As I said, he might get the nod.....point being all were pretty darn good. Lets say close enough I am not going to try to distinguish between them.
I will say this, if I could have any of the 4 in a modern , young body, I am good riding that for the next 12 years.
I did see Otto near the end, and I was pretty young, so I have to admit most of my opinion is based on historical record.
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I remember back in the 80's one of those made for TV "Superstars" competitions where they matched up the top QBs
from back then , they all had to do these little passing drills to determine the best of the bunch and I don't remember
exactly what they had to do overall ,but one of the drills was to throw a football through a tire as it zipped across the field.
All the big boyz where there Kelly,Elway,Young,Marino...they all missed ! except Bernie, so they bust his balls about a lucky
first throw,Bernie laughing the whole time picks up another ball and nails it again! BrownB299
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Oh, my, I had forgotten about that. It was GREAT !
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