Ex-coach Eric Mangini still a fan of New York Jets

[SJ_Browns]

@cribbswalker said:

Definitely excited to see what Mangini can do with the Browns. Nothing would be better than having a great team that plays hard, rarely is penalized and is filled with terrific character.

If he was able to pull together that Jets team, imagine what can be accomplished under the tutilage of great minds like Holmgren and Heckert.

Exciting stuff.

+1

[Gips]

I think we are going to see the real eric mangini under holmgren and heckert ,penguini started becoming genuinely fan friendly and less paranoid and secretive as the season progressed last year ,so much in fact he reconverted me from a hater ,i never looked for a reason to dislike mangini he did a good job of that on his own and without media bias..but it turns out i missed what was going on under the hood of secret agent mangini's engine and it was mangini's "lack of openness ,honesty and just the overall bad person aura" i disliked..

Once he opened "the process" ,the locker room and started opening up more in general i realized i had judged the book by its cover and needless to say i felt like a heel...i have seen mangini smile more since holmgren came to town than i have in the 4 years he has been a coach and i believe he has found himself through this years hardships and he has certainly learned browns fans are both fanatical and forgiving we expect a certain degree of openness and fan friendly behavior from the coach not hogwash we wont eat...

[next2nothing]

Great article. Know why he is proud of that team? Because he helped build it and no Jets fan or part of the NY media will accept that. I've talked to a couple Jets fans online and they are so convinced that Rex Ryan along with their FA pickups in the off season were what catapulted this team to where they are now. They fail to mention all the talent Mangini helped bring in or that Rex Ryan would have had a worse record than Mangini's last year if not for the wins they were handed in the last two weeks.

[Kosar_For_President]

You know what I am not a fan of is the Jets #31 ranking against the pass. Against Payton, forget about it. I guarantee a minimum 13 point win.

[Earl34]

It's entirely correct that the NY media cannot accept it. I heard an interview with the GM where they talked for 3 or 4 minutes about how HE built this team and the bottom line is that he's a lawyer who's never scouted a football player personally in his life. I found it laughable that nowhere in that 3 minutes did he or the host ever once mention Eric Mangini.

[beefjerky]

@kosar_for_president said:

You know what I am not a fan of is the Jets #31 ranking against the pass. Against Payton, forget about it. I guarantee a minimum 13 point win.

They're actually #1 against the pass, you almost couldn't have been more wrong:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=200...G&Submit=Go

They are #31 for the pass.

[DACHUMS]

Eric is a class act,

[Earl34]

@beefjerky said:

They're actually #1 against the pass, you almost couldn't have been more wrong:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=200...G&Submit=Go

They are #31 for the pass.

They're 31st pass offense....not defense is what you mean.

[Flugel]

@kosar_for_president said:

You know what I am not a fan of is the Jets #31 ranking against the pass. Against Payton, forget about it. I guarantee a minimum 13 point win.

Not saying you're wrong but it's hard to believe they rank 31st with Revis playing some of the best shutdown corner you can play out there as of late. I didn't spend alot of time watching the Jets but it seems like their secondary is what is making everythign else work out there so much more effectively. They kept Rivers in 3rd and forever, which was seemingly the hottest team in the AFC you could play as a barometer of "who'd you beat?"

This time of year, you can toss all those rankings out the window. It wasn't too long ago Peyton Manning and Co gagged on a 9-7 Steelers team at home in the playoffs. As invincible as Manning always seems to be in the regular season, he does alot of things that aren't typical of Peyton in January like GET SACKED, look average and throw INTs. That's improved some over the years but it STILL isn't the Peyton you see all regular season. SAME has held true with McNabb. I say this because these guys collected more Conference MVPs without punctuating them with SB Ws. Manning has 1 SB; but if anyone wants to tell me that offense hasn't underchieved in the post seasons based on what their regular seasons projected - I'm all ears. Want to know the irony of it all? Here's Peyton post season passing numbers heading into the Superbowl the 1 time they made it since 1997:

Year W | L Att Com Pct Yards Yds/Att Long Td Int QB Rating

2006 3-0 115 72 62.6 787 6.8 52 2 6 66.8

When have you ever seen Manning over a 3 game period with a ratio of 2 TDs to 6 INTs in the regular season? Those numbers above didn't include the Superbowl but I think Rex Grossman might have thrown more TD passes to the Colts than Manning had to. Believe it or not, I think Manning is the BEST regular season QB I've ever seen at the pro level; BUT I can't extend that into the conversation of the BIG Game/Post Season QBs. He never won the big game vrs Florida either for a very talented college team that stockpiled the NFL draft. I think he's got some pressure here and if he wins - that quiets the only remaining thing to criticize about his career. That's why I remind people to forget regular season stats because the NY Jets this year are doing what those Arizona Cardinals did LAST year. The year before that an undefeated team lost to a team they SHOULD have clobbered based on the regular season projections.

That's why the Jets are getting 3 more hours to introduce themselves. If they LOSE, I'm sure NY media will finally discover a reason to give Mangini some credit. If they WIN? It'll be more about how much better Rex's path to 9-7 was than Mangini's rookie 10-6 record. I can't let that stop me from rooting for the underdogs.

- Tom F.

[Kosar_For_President]

@earl34 said:

They're 31st pass offense....not defense is what you mean.

Yea Earl you are right. I should of checked it, the guy on the radio on the way home must of misspoke, or I heard wrong. I really need to stop drinking and driving, jk. Thanks though. I still think Indy is going to win big time.

[Kosar_For_President]

@beefjerky said:

They're actually #1 against the pass, you almost couldn't have been more wrong:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=200...G&Submit=Go

They are #31 for the pass.

Your right Jerky, I must of heard wrong. Thanks for keeping it straight.

[Rooster Dick]

@kosar_for_president said:

Your right Jerky, I must of heard wrong. Thanks for keeping it straight.

Even if you did hear wrong, have you been watching football at all this season? You seriously thought the Jets were bad against the pass? Awkward

[peterbell]

Chickenwang said:

Even if you did hear wrong, have you been watching football at all this season? You seriously thought the Jets were bad against the pass? Awkward

I'm in the northeast so I've seen a lot of Jets games and in at least 3 games their pass defense was brutal in the last 2 minutes..It might have been a function of bad scheming and to much blitzing but those 3 losses were caused by the secondary.Lito Sheppard sucks

[Earl34]

@peterbell said:

I'm in the northeast so I've seen a lot of Jets games and in at least 3 games their pass defense was brutal in the last 2 minutes..It might have been a function of bad scheming and to much blitzing but those 3 losses were caused by the secondary.Lito Sheppard sucks

I think you're right. Revis is the best and they pressure with the blitz because Revis allows that. I think that Lowery is pretty good. Kerry Rhodes and Lito Sheppard are relative liabilities in coverage. It's basically Rex Ryan blitzing the hell out of your QB and daring you to pick on whoever isn't covered by Revis.

If Peyton Manning can't beat that then I doubt anyone can.