A 6 Round Mock Somebody Saw Fit for Us
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As I've shared on occasion, I have season tix to Vanderbilt Games. I gotta tell you the best pass I saw in college football this year came from an absolute rope Snead threw hitting his receiver in stride right at the goal line along the the right sideline. It was about a 45 yard throw where he scrambled to his right. We all thought it was going to be a sack on 3rd and forever. Turns out it became the nail in the Vandy's coffin that day.
Snead's play in the Vandy game really disappointed me. When you've got a sizable but not insurmountable 23-0 lead in the 3rd Q, you can't throw super-dumb picks on consecutive drives, as Snead did.
He's got a strong arm, but the accuracy just isn't there. And based on what I've seen, I'm inclined to believe the smarts aren't either.
Snead's play in the Vandy game really disappointed me. When you've got a sizable but not insurmountable 23-0 lead in the 3rd Q, you can't throw super-dumb picks on consecutive drives, as Snead did.
He's got a strong arm, but the accuracy just isn't there. And based on what I've seen, I'm inclined to believe the smarts aren't either.
That was back when Ole Miss was impacted with 28 cases of the swine flu the week of and the week before the matchup. Reality is they weren't going to play their best ball when they were starting alot of JV equivalents. Just to illustrate this I'll show you exactly how many touches their best player McCluster had (below) because he barely played. When there's backups that aren't accustomed to playing with starters - you get guys running the wrong routes, turning the wrong way and protections breaking down which can REALLY make a QB look bad or as you said "lacking smarts." When everyone seemed to be on the same page - I saw 3 TD passes by Snead and one was as purdy as it gets. In the 6 home games I attended - guess how many opposing QBs threw at least 3 TD passes on them besides Snead? Zero.
Mississippi Rushing
CAR YDS TD LG
Bolden 16 89 0 16
Snead 5 28 0 24
Mississippi Receiving
REC YDS TD LG
Hodge 8 122 2 48
McCluster 2 42 0 24
I already said the 2009 season for Snead was a head scratcher. That doesn't change there were high expectations for this kid based on the standard he set in 2008 against some pretty tough competition including the National Champions he beat at Florida. I had 0 to do with this kid's hype. I'm not pretending to be an Ole Miss expert in this so I didn't have enough evidence to inform you what it was that changed his performance level. Maybe it's a SMALL imperfection the right coach can tweak back into the promising kid from 08. I dunno.
FWIW, I'm not saying throw away our 10 other picks so we can draft Snead in round 1. In fact, I'm mostly bringing up QBs we can look at AFTER round 1 Alo so there's going to be imperfections with each. Truth is - I hadn't even considered Snead at all until I saw this mock draft. Then I started to think maybe he's worth consideration in a mid or late round, not to be confused with round 1 or even round 2. SOMETIMES a player like Dan Marino can have that disappointing final college season that creates enough doubt to make him slide on draft day. Maybe it's mechanical that a Houston Nutt isn't wired to correct but a pro coach can. Somebody once saw there was much more to Dan Marino than the extract of games from his senior year. IMO, that's misinterpreting the rule for the exception to it. There had to be enough assets a pro coach saw he could work with. I just don't think a good player wakes up a crappy player 1 morning any more than I think a crappy player can disguise himself as a good player for 13 consecutive ballgames. There's gotta be more to the story when a good player struggles. A good scout will find out what it is specifically: injury/mechanics/emotional/cognitive/roster turbulence/crappy coaching/whatever. That's why your buddy Flugel preaches TOTAL body of work instead of extracts.
- Tom F.
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Fair points, Tom.
But just to clarify things, I didn't pull the intelligence Q out of thin air: there have been reports that the coaching staff felt Snead didn't have a strong command of the offense, and multiple sites have reported that he would have faced competition for the starting job had he returned to Ole Miss for his senior year.
We can agree to disagree on this one: I'll stick with "I don't think so," you can stick with "Well, you never know..."
But it's good to see that Mayock agrees with us on Clausen:
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Fair points, Tom.
But just to clarify things, I didn't pull the intelligence Q out of thin air: there have been reports that the coaching staff felt Snead didn't have a strong command of the offense, and multiple sites have reported that he would have faced competition for the starting job had he returned to Ole Miss for his senior year.
We can agree to disagree on this one: I'll stick with "I don't think so," you can stick with "Well, you never know..."
But it's good to see that Mayock agrees with us on Clausen:
Fair points, Tom.
But just to clarify things, I didn't pull the intelligence Q out of thin air: there have been reports that the coaching staff felt Snead didn't have a strong command of the offense, and multiple sites have reported that he would have faced competition for the starting job had he returned to Ole Miss for his senior year.
We can agree to disagree on this one: I'll stick with "I don't think so," you can stick with "Well, you never know..."
But it's good to see that Mayock agrees with us on Clausen:
Tom, Alo is correct about the intelligence issue. McCoy and Snead were in a dead heat to win the QB job at Texas and Snead did not pick up the offense as quickly. If you look at Snead and judge him by the "eyeball test", he certainly seems to fit the mold even moreso than McCoy yet he couldn't beat him out. I don't know if Ole Miss had to dumb down their offense a la Virginia Tech for Michael Vick but it's been an issue from what I've heard from people in the Texas program.
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1ST - Joe Haden CB (Florida)
2ND - Anthony Davis OT (Rutgers)
3RD- Dan LeFevour QB (Central Michian)
3RD- Reshad Jones S (Florida)
4TH- Jon Asamoah OG (Illinois)
Well, there is my top prospects for the browns in the first 4 rounds. I can only hope.
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1ST - Joe Haden CB (Florida)
2ND - Anthony Davis OT (Rutgers)
3RD- Dan LeFevour QB (Central Michian)
3RD- Reshad Jones S (Florida)
4TH- Jon Asamoah OG (Illinois)
Well, there is my top prospects for the browns in the first 4 rounds. I can only hope.
1ST - Joe Haden CB (Florida)
2ND - Anthony Davis OT (Rutgers)
3RD- Dan LeFevour QB (Central Michian)
3RD- Reshad Jones S (Florida)
4TH- Jon Asamoah OG (Illinois)
Well, there is my top prospects for the browns in the first 4 rounds. I can only hope.
That's a nice list but I don't believe Davis will fall to the second round. I think he's pretty surely a first rounder.
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Fair points, Tom.
But just to clarify things, I didn't pull the intelligence Q out of thin air: there have been reports that the coaching staff felt Snead didn't have a strong command of the offense, and multiple sites have reported that he would have faced competition for the starting job had he returned to Ole Miss for his senior year.
We can agree to disagree on this one: I'll stick with "I don't think so," you can stick with "Well, you never know..."
But it's good to see that Mayock agrees with us on Clausen:
Tom, Alo is correct about the intelligence issue. McCoy and Snead were in a dead heat to win the QB job at Texas and Snead did not pick up the offense as quickly. If you look at Snead and judge him by the "eyeball test", he certainly seems to fit the mold even moreso than McCoy yet he couldn't beat him out. I don't know if Ole Miss had to dumb down their offense a la Virginia Tech for Michael Vick but it's been an issue from what I've heard from people in the Texas program.
Tom, Alo is correct about the intelligence issue. McCoy and Snead were in a dead heat to win the QB job at Texas and Snead did not pick up the offense as quickly. If you look at Snead and judge him by the "eyeball test", he certainly seems to fit the mold even moreso than McCoy yet he couldn't beat him out. I don't know if Ole Miss had to dumb down their offense a la Virginia Tech for Michael Vick but it's been an issue from what I've heard from people in the Texas program.
Okay, thanks for pointing that out Earl. Alo knows alot of these guys inside out. He'd prolly be able to throw together a mock draft as good as any you see out there and better IMO. The only thing I try to do on occasion is buffer him with make sure you count the total body of work as much as an extraction of less than memorable moments. Because when we're talking QBs after round 1 - it really comes down to which guys have the correctable imperfections and which guys are red flags. That's why I'll take the time to point out the difference in McCoy's numbers in 08 with MUCH better help in front and around him vrs that of 09 when the environment seemed ripe for the development of some bad habits.
Another thing we ALL need to take into consideration is that a consensus that says Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb by an overwhelming majority of experts and fanbases can be WRONG. In 1 breath I heard McNabb came from George DeLeone's Veer Option Offense up at SU which gave us a premature conclusion of send the cleaning staff to HIS workout. Meanwhile, the Coach at UK actually recruited Tim Couch to run a wishbone offense before Hal Mumme Jr got there.
Here's more of my "it's never been an exact science" for us to chew on:
Why was Rick Mirer a better first round candidate by a significant number of scouts than QBs like Joe Montana and Joe Theismann? How does Cade McNown become 1st round material and Tom Brady get slotted for round 6? Why do All Pros or Superbowl QBs like Kurt Warner, Joe Theismann, Jeff Garcia, Warren Moon and Jake Delhomme gotta go via the CFL or NFL Europe or Arena Football before they are deemed worthy of starting in the NFL? Then I see guys like Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Ryan Leaf, Patrick Ramsey, Jamarcus Russell, Joey Harrington, David Carr, Alex Smith and Matt Leinart getting praised for either wonderful workouts or possessing "it." There's a reason there's alot of turnover in NFL brasses that can't peg QBs.
To this day, I think the thing that made me a HUGE Brian Sipe fan was all the experts that said you're sniffing glue and overdosing if you consider Brian Sipe anything better than round 13 material. Meanwhile, we had to trade Paul Warfield to get the experts version of a prototype at #3 overall named Mike Phipps. So what I witnessed Brian Sipe do when throwing for 4000 yards in the days where DBs weren't handcuffed was consistently erasing 2nd half leads and throwing for an average of 4000 passing yards in a successive 3 year period. And it wasn't the prototype that led us to our most exciting football - it was the guy all the experts insisted wouldn't be able to do such a thing. Weak arm, too short, small time competition, not used to midwest temperatures in San Diego,etc. I heard pretty much everything but what tellall tool they used to measure poise, accuracy and confidence under pressure. We're talking about a pretty special QB that earned a league MVP honor. Another thing about Sipe I liked was the WAY he could forget a bad first 3 quarters if/when that was the case to LEAD his team to victory in spite of it all.
Do you know who reminds me alot of this right about now? There's prolly more than 1 guy like this. However, I'm thinking if the kid that was only a 3 star prospect coming out of high school from a small town in Texas who finished his last 2 college years with a record of 25-2 (one of those losses was the National Championship Game his team had the lead when he left the game). That's Colt McCoy so if we have 11 picks and he's there in rd 2 - I don't see how we can't roll the dice on him and bring in a vet for 2010 for him to learn under. Do you want to bet the biggest reason Jimmy Clausen is projecting to be QB #1 is because he was a 5 star recruit that too many scouts just never felt comfortable leapfrogging a 3 star recruit like McCoy ahead of. Which of those guys want to jump at the chance to say they've been wrong about Colt McCoy?
The Northwestern kid (Kaftka) seems like another exciting prospect I hear guys talking about. He'll take some time but people see something special there - don't discount that just because the guy might not fit some prototypical crib sheet. We're not getting paid for this so we shouldn't be afraid to allow ourselves the ability to have some fun it all.
- Tom F.
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Tom, there are lots of people out there who want to bash Colt McCoy but as much as I love his positives, those negatives are generally real. For me, it's arm strength. I can't decide if his arm strength is adequate because I think that, short of a cannon arm, it's hard to tell on TV. There have been plenty of guys like a Colt McCoy who've had college success who did pan out despite a lot of skepticism. I would clarify though that to me McCoy is a good pick if he's at a VALUE selection like the third or fourth round. I'm not taking a guy with question marks in the first round and possibly not even the second.
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Tom, Alo is correct about the intelligence issue. McCoy and Snead were in a dead heat to win the QB job at Texas and Snead did not pick up the offense as quickly. If you look at Snead and judge him by the "eyeball test", he certainly seems to fit the mold even moreso than McCoy yet he couldn't beat him out. I don't know if Ole Miss had to dumb down their offense a la Virginia Tech for Michael Vick but it's been an issue from what I've heard from people in the Texas program.
Okay, thanks for pointing that out Earl. Alo knows alot of these guys inside out. He'd prolly be able to throw together a mock draft as good as any you see out there and better IMO. The only thing I try to do on occasion is buffer him with make sure you count the total body of work as much as an extraction of less than memorable moments. Because when we're talking QBs after round 1 - it really comes down to which guys have the correctable imperfections and which guys are red flags. That's why I'll take the time to point out the difference in McCoy's numbers in 08 with MUCH better help in front and around him vrs that of 09 when the environment seemed ripe for the development of some bad habits.
Another thing we ALL need to take into consideration is that a consensus that says Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb by an overwhelming majority of experts and fanbases can be WRONG. In 1 breath I heard McNabb came from George DeLeone's Veer Option Offense up at SU which gave us a premature conclusion of send the cleaning staff to HIS workout. Meanwhile, the Coach at UK actually recruited Tim Couch to run a wishbone offense before Hal Mumme Jr got there.
Here's more of my "it's never been an exact science" for us to chew on:
Why was Rick Mirer a better first round candidate by a significant number of scouts than QBs like Joe Montana and Joe Theismann? How does Cade McNown become 1st round material and Tom Brady get slotted for round 6? Why do All Pros or Superbowl QBs like Kurt Warner, Joe Theismann, Jeff Garcia, Warren Moon and Jake Delhomme gotta go via the CFL or NFL Europe or Arena Football before they are deemed worthy of starting in the NFL? Then I see guys like Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Ryan Leaf, Patrick Ramsey, Jamarcus Russell, Joey Harrington, David Carr, Alex Smith and Matt Leinart getting praised for either wonderful workouts or possessing "it." There's a reason there's alot of turnover in NFL brasses that can't peg QBs.
To this day, I think the thing that made me a HUGE Brian Sipe fan was all the experts that said you're sniffing glue and overdosing if you consider Brian Sipe anything better than round 13 material. Meanwhile, we had to trade Paul Warfield to get the experts version of a prototype at #3 overall named Mike Phipps. So what I witnessed Brian Sipe do when throwing for 4000 yards in the days where DBs weren't handcuffed was consistently erasing 2nd half leads and throwing for an average of 4000 passing yards in a successive 3 year period. And it wasn't the prototype that led us to our most exciting football - it was the guy all the experts insisted wouldn't be able to do such a thing. Weak arm, too short, small time competition, not used to midwest temperatures in San Diego,etc. I heard pretty much everything but what tellall tool they used to measure poise, accuracy and confidence under pressure. We're talking about a pretty special QB that earned a league MVP honor. Another thing about Sipe I liked was the WAY he could forget a bad first 3 quarters if/when that was the case to LEAD his team to victory in spite of it all.
Do you know who reminds me alot of this right about now? There's prolly more than 1 guy like this. However, I'm thinking if the kid that was only a 3 star prospect coming out of high school from a small town in Texas who finished his last 2 college years with a record of 25-2 (one of those losses was the National Championship Game his team had the lead when he left the game). That's Colt McCoy so if we have 11 picks and he's there in rd 2 - I don't see how we can't roll the dice on him and bring in a vet for 2010 for him to learn under. Do you want to bet the biggest reason Jimmy Clausen is projecting to be QB #1 is because he was a 5 star recruit that too many scouts just never felt comfortable leapfrogging a 3 star recruit like McCoy ahead of. Which of those guys want to jump at the chance to say they've been wrong about Colt McCoy?
The Northwestern kid (Kaftka) seems like another exciting prospect I hear guys talking about. He'll take some time but people see something special there - don't discount that just because the guy might not fit some prototypical crib sheet. We're not getting paid for this so we shouldn't be afraid to allow ourselves the ability to have some fun it all.
- Tom F.
Alo knows alot of these guys inside out. He'd prolly be able to throw together a mock draft as good as any you see out there and better IMO.
Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
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Alo knows alot of these guys inside out. He'd prolly be able to throw together a mock draft as good as any you see out there and better IMO.
Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
REALLY great job with that mock draft Alo! Thanks! I'm really starting to like the Haden pick and this comes from a guy that rarely ever wanted to see a corner drafted first.
- Tom F.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Alo knows alot of these guys inside out. He'd prolly be able to throw together a mock draft as good as any you see out there and better IMO.
Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
i have a hard time seeing Bulaga going ahead of trent williams
and Jacksonville not taking Tebow
i think Campbell is too low and D.Williams too high same with tate
wooten and Jones are way too high imo
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Just a note, Tommy.
Aaron Hernandez - from New Britain, CT - will be a 1st round pick.
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Just a note, Tommy.
Aaron Hernandez - from New Britain, CT - will be a 1st round pick.
Just a note, Tommy.
Aaron Hernandez - from New Britain, CT - will be a 1st round pick.
way too small and too limited blocking skills to be a 1st rounder
2nd rounder at best
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Alo knows alot of these guys inside out. He'd prolly be able to throw together a mock draft as good as any you see out there and better IMO.
Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
Terrific mock, Alo. I hope you continue posting your videos of these guys as the draft draws near.
Beanpot
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Nice site, but something is screwed up when you have Tebow listed behind Skelton and Brown.
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I'm happy to see that Alo went with my first round pick, Haden.
Glad to be a good mock draft influence on him.
Sorry, Mr. Alo - I was just kidding, and used the wrong smiley.
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Nice site, but something is screwed up when you have Tebow listed behind Skelton and Brown.
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Thanks, Tom. If you're interested, you can check out my mock here:
i have a hard time seeing Bulaga going ahead of trent williams
and Jacksonville not taking Tebow
i think Campbell is too low and D.Williams too high same with tate
wooten and Jones are way too high imo
i have a hard time seeing Bulaga going ahead of trent williams
If scouts think Bulaga's got blindside potential and Williams is more of a question mark, Bulaga will go higher.
and Jacksonville not taking Tebow
That's a possibility, but is it really that strong that you'd "have a hard time" seeing them pick someone else? I wouldn't be so certain about that pick.
i think Campbell is too low and D.Williams too high same with tate
wooten and Jones are way too high imo
I watched a couple Maryland games to get a look at Campbell. He's a superb athlete, but he's susceptible to getting beat by inside & power rush moves, leading to costly pass pro breakdowns: a pressure leading to a pick six vs. Rutgers, a QB hit on what could have been the game-winning drive vs. Florida State.
So I don't think the film says I've got him too low. But Al Davis might disagree.
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