Lerner speaks
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i agree with you ate, savage seems to be getting romeo what he asks for. the problem is coaching and motivation imo. personally i've never met a person what was a leader, and got along well with his subordinates, and been successful. if its happens its rare. RAC's philosiphy doesn't work, the players don't need a buddy, they need someone to push em, and let them know when they've screwed up . leaders have to be tough, and not worry about who likes them. RAC's whole "the player's coach" just doesn't work, and never will work.
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I much prefer the hands-off ownership approach. When the owner thinks he knows football, and is best suited to make personnel decisions, a team can run into alot of problems.
I want a guy who has business sense. He doesn't have to know anything about running a football team. He has to know about running a business, hiring good people, and writing the checks. The fact that he's a Cleveland guy, a family man, who cares about his fathers legacy, makes it pretty much a perfect fit, in my opinion.
And as far as Aston Villa FC, I'm a huge "soccer" fan. So I probably follow the EPL more than most Browns fans. But having seen what Villa has been able to do, since Lerner took ownership in 2006, gives me a lot of faith in him as the Browns owner. He's shown he's willing to spend the money to put a successful team on the field, buying players to help Villa improve and developing players through their youth system. Hiring a successful coach in Marty O'Neill, involving the fans in the development of new uniforms and a team crest, and having made the decision to NOT take a corporate sponsor for this season, and instead representing a childrens hospital. They're expanding the stadium and built new training facilities.
Some may read this, and think he should be spending that kind of money here. I think the fact that he's shown willingness to do so with Villa, should make Browns fans feel that he has the business sense and passion for sports in general, to be a great owner of this team.
Just my two cents.
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He's satisfied me on his hands-off approach. big deal that he has other interests, the fact that he has another sports franchise will only add to his experience. He is only 46 years old, I didn't realize that. I think he is committed.
Perhaps going 10-6 last season was worst than us going 6-10, as it provided slack in the line, but I'm confident that Randy can balance a knee-jerk reaction against going stale for too long.
I personally don't have a big problem with Savage, but I think the players need to be pushed more and I'm afraid Crennel has planed out.
I'd allowed Savage to find another coach, cut some dead weight contracts, and go full steam ahead in Free Agency and the draft.
He's satisfied me on his hands-off approach. big deal that he has other interests, the fact that he has another sports franchise will only add to his experience. He is only 46 years old, I didn't realize that. I think he is committed.
Perhaps going 10-6 last season was worst than us going 6-10, as it provided slack in the line, but I'm confident that Randy can balance a knee-jerk reaction against going stale for too long.
I personally don't have a big problem with Savage, but I think the players need to be pushed more and I'm afraid Crennel has planed out.
I'd allowed Savage to find another coach, cut some dead weight contracts, and go full steam ahead in Free Agency and the draft.
Agree 100% with you Stan. I have never had much problem with Lerners approach to management. To me it is the right way, no matter the business. When you give people authority, you have to get out of the way.
RAC is the problem (along with members of his staff). I used this example before, and I think it still holds true. Look at the San Diego Chargers. That team is loaded with talent, yet terribly under achieving. Why? One simple answer, the HC. Turner, like RAC gets lost in the game. Neither are capable of looking at the big picture during the week or game day. They are much better when they are only a coordinator.
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I would just hate to see a quality coach come in here and leave without a contract because he wanted some control over personnel and we all know Savage is too proud to give that up in any way shape or form...
I would just hate to see a quality coach come in here and leave without a contract because he wanted some control over personnel and we all know Savage is too proud to give that up in any way shape or form...
That is kind of a farce. Originally RAC had more control. That was slowly taken away when he showed he couldn't do it. I really don't think Savage is the control freak that people like to make him out to be. Keep in mind, it has never been reported as such by any news organization. Only people on message boards and talk radio have ever painted him that way. With no evidence, just assumption.
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I would just hate to see a quality coach come in here and leave without a contract because he wanted some control over personnel and we all know Savage is too proud to give that up in any way shape or form...
That is kind of a farce. Originally RAC had more control. That was slowly taken away when he showed he couldn't do it. I really don't think Savage is the control freak that people like to make him out to be. Keep in mind, it has never been reported as such by any news organization. Only people on message boards and talk radio have ever painted him that way. With no evidence, just assumption.
Masters said:
That is kind of a farce. Originally RAC had more control. That was slowly taken away when he showed he couldn't do it. I really don't think Savage is the control freak that people like to make him out to be. Keep in mind, it has never been reported as such by any news organization. Only people on message boards and talk radio have ever painted him that way. With no evidence, just assumption.you are full of crap.............Crennel has been dangling on a string since day one as the GM SEWAGE wanted it..............to have a scape goat when it got miserable..........like now
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Masters said:
That is kind of a farce. Originally RAC had more control. That was slowly taken away when he showed he couldn't do it. I really don't think Savage is the control freak that people like to make him out to be. Keep in mind, it has never been reported as such by any news organization. Only people on message boards and talk radio have ever painted him that way. With no evidence, just assumption.you are full of crap.............Crennel has been dangling on a string since day one as the GM SEWAGE wanted it..............to have a scape goat when it got miserable..........like now
you are full of crap.............Crennel has been dangling on a string since day one as the GM SEWAGE wanted it..............to have a scape goat when it got miserable..........like now
Really, so show me how. Pull up some articles, quotes, etc. Where any of it is wrong. I can pull stories of RAC getting less power after his second year.
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phil Savage versus Collins
Phil Savage firing Carthon
Phil Savage trading Frye
Phil Savage hiring Chud and Tucker
Phil does an awful lot of media interviews
Brady quinn starting abruptly obviously something RAC did not want yet
Obviously this is conjecture but the incidents where he steps in where normally a head coach has full control. I am not defending RAC but usually the GM's are a whole lot less visible than he is.
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There are always things in life that amaze us. Buster Douglas punking Tyson, The USA gold medal hockey team.
This is NOT one of those times when anyone has been given any cause but to yawn.
If it was not for the fact that Jim Brown taped a three by five index card to Lerner's wrist, randy wouldn't have even known that the Browns went 10 - 6 last year.
Lerner is a loser. He is a jack off and a mental masturbationist. He opens his anus of a mouth and nothing but carefully polished turds come out. His team is a joke and STILL he has no emotion, no fire, no anger, nothing, Ladee Dooo Dee Laaa Laaaa Looooo.............
Duh, geeee we waz good last year so duh dat means we might have da right guys, Maybe it meanst that dis yea we really don't suck but LAST year waz the real Browns.
Even though we didn't win shit last year, even though we got bent over by teh Steelers, Even though we didn't go to the playoffs.............. 2007 is SOMETHING important. People should keep their jobs because in 2007 we went 10-6 and didn't do a F#@&$^% thing.
He's envious of Rooney? He blows Rooney. Lerner doesnt have a freaking concept of what Pittsburgh has. He woudn't know how to hire a man based on values, principles and fundamentals if I hired the guy for him.
Lerner is an insult to everything the Browns once were. If he was any kind of man he would fire Savage and Crennell right now.
Other teams point to playoff runs and SB wins as their sign that their team is good. We point to 10 - 6 and home for the holidays.
I hope the Steelers mangle and crush this pile of shit call the Browns. Hey, maybe Lerner will suit Kosay and Jim Brown up. Hey, I know............. lets dig Gene Hickerson up out of his grave and let him block for JB.
I mean, he can't be much older and slower thanWillie Mcgimpiest can he?
Lerner is shit. His father was shit.
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phil Savage versus Collins
Phil Savage firing Carthon
Phil Savage trading Frye
Phil Savage hiring Chud and Tucker
Phil does an awful lot of media interviews
Brady quinn starting abruptly obviously something RAC did not want yet
Obviously this is conjecture but the incidents where he steps in where normally a head coach has full control. I am not defending RAC but usually the GM's are a whole lot less visible than he is.
phil Savage versus Collins
Phil Savage firing Carthon
Phil Savage trading Frye
Phil Savage hiring Chud and Tucker
Phil does an awful lot of media interviews
Brady quinn starting abruptly obviously something RAC did not want yet
Obviously this is conjecture but the incidents where he steps in where normally a head coach has full control. I am not defending RAC but usually the GM's are a whole lot less visible than he is.
And Collins started that struggle.
Do you think CLE shouldn't have traded Frye?
Savage did hire Chud (would you rather have Carthon?). Tucker was a promotion from within and was a hire of RAC.
Should they really have continued on with DA when it was obvious the season was going no where with him?
RAC started with control and it slowly got taken away. Starting with him sticking with Mo.
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That quote about his mind not being made up scares the SHIT out of me. It says to me that RAC COULD still be here next year. After last week, I can't believe it's Tuesday and we're still talking about the fat oaf in the context of 'still coach'.
What the hell does it take? It seems everyone who watches football can see what an absolute disaster this guy is a headcoach. FIRE HIM ALREADY!
I honestly don't know if I can take another season of fatty on the sidelines looking like friggin' Eeyore.
If Crennel is retained and I'm Brady Quinn, Edwards, Winslow, and Shawn Rogers, I'm on the phone with my agent begging to be traded.
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He's satisfied me on his hands-off approach. big deal that he has other interests, the fact that he has another sports franchise will only add to his experience. He is only 46 years old, I didn't realize that. I think he is committed.
Perhaps going 10-6 last season was worst than us going 6-10, as it provided slack in the line, but I'm confident that Randy can balance a knee-jerk reaction against going stale for too long.
I personally don't have a big problem with Savage, but I think the players need to be pushed more and I'm afraid Crennel has planed out.
I'd allowed Savage to find another coach, cut some dead weight contracts, and go full steam ahead in Free Agency and the draft.
He's satisfied me on his hands-off approach. big deal that he has other interests, the fact that he has another sports franchise will only add to his experience. He is only 46 years old, I didn't realize that. I think he is committed.
Perhaps going 10-6 last season was worst than us going 6-10, as it provided slack in the line, but I'm confident that Randy can balance a knee-jerk reaction against going stale for too long.
I personally don't have a big problem with Savage, but I think the players need to be pushed more and I'm afraid Crennel has planed out.
I'd allowed Savage to find another coach, cut some dead weight contracts, and go full steam ahead in Free Agency and the draft.
Agreed 100%. There are a few people in this thread who have some obvious mental issues, and I would recommend help. Personal vendettas it seems, though I highly doubt these ingrates have any inside information, nor personal experience with any of the men they are trashing. Get rid of Romeo and most if not all of the rest of the coaching staff, and get a disciplinarian with some fire in his belly in here. (Marty) You people seem to forget Romeo was on his way out the door last year, and Savage had intended on replacing him with the giant orange pumpkin. After the shocker of a season last year, his hands were tied ...as were Romeos with starting that career 3rd string DA. And so it goes.
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@inspecta said:
Well maybe Quinn, but I have a feeling Crennel has a lot of the other guys in his pocket, he's laid back he doesn't ride them too hard. The players coach as they say. Does not bode well for successful football though...This is a sick franchise. The owner is not a football man, his football man is a jackoff and his head coach is laying low, collecting a check just waiting for his next head coaching opportunity. You think Crennel cares abotu this dysfunctional pile of shit? I don't. He is simply riding the wave. Sewage makes too many football decisions and THAT is what has kept Crennell from being fired.
Seriously man, this franchsie is sick and its not going to change. Not until we get a new owner or this team moves.
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He's satisfied me on his hands-off approach. big deal that he has other interests, the fact that he has another sports franchise will only add to his experience. He is only 46 years old, I didn't realize that. I think he is committed.
Perhaps going 10-6 last season was worst than us going 6-10, as it provided slack in the line, but I'm confident that Randy can balance a knee-jerk reaction against going stale for too long.
I personally don't have a big problem with Savage, but I think the players need to be pushed more and I'm afraid Crennel has planed out.
I'd allowed Savage to find another coach, cut some dead weight contracts, and go full steam ahead in Free Agency and the draft.
He's satisfied me on his hands-off approach. big deal that he has other interests, the fact that he has another sports franchise will only add to his experience. He is only 46 years old, I didn't realize that. I think he is committed.
Perhaps going 10-6 last season was worst than us going 6-10, as it provided slack in the line, but I'm confident that Randy can balance a knee-jerk reaction against going stale for too long.
I personally don't have a big problem with Savage, but I think the players need to be pushed more and I'm afraid Crennel has planed out.
I'd allowed Savage to find another coach, cut some dead weight contracts, and go full steam ahead in Free Agency and the draft.
You are a real sucker atenears if you think that lerner is committed to this team keep dreaming man you guys that buy all that crap need to learn from the past i have no confidence in lerner at all in the man or the people he will hire/promote i would love for him to fix things but he is not capable of tying his own shoe when it comes to football personnel and i expect nothing to really change where it counts..in management mark my words names will change but the clubs inept organization will not its part of the owners dna and lerners dna is weaksauce...with lots of McCash from suckers that buy the change is coming routine and blindly fill his coffers like zombies..if he proves me wrong i will be the first to stick my foot in my mouth but nothing is getting better for a very long time..
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