Why we should not trade a draft pick for a QB.
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The Browns should not trade a draft pick for a QB. Here are my reasons.
1. The Browns need all 11 picks this year. There are many holes to fill on this team. Making good use of these picks can allow the Browns to make great advancement in the rebuilding process.
2. If you trade a draft pick for an aging veteran, you will need to draft a new QB anyways by the time the team becomes seriously competitive. Let's say you trade for injury-prone McNabb. By the time the Browns are ready to make a serious run, he will be at least 35 and over the hill. Then we would be forced to turn things over to a rookie.
3. Quinn is unproven. Quinn has less career starts than Mark Sanchez. Obviously Quinn has not had enough starts to be rationally evaluated. Also he has played in two different systems in 3 years. He has also never enjoyed the full backing of the coaching staff. Mismanagement at its best. Oh, and Quinn also produced comparable if not better numbers than the Jets savior Mark Sanchez.
The best course of action would be to draft you franchise QB in this upcoming draft, and play him immediately. The next best option is to give Quinn a full year complete with all the reps in mini-camp and training camp to see what you have. If he doesn't show improvement, draft a franchise QB next year. And of course get rid of DA.
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My only question is: whoever suggested that we should trade a draft pick for a QB?
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I do not want to trade a good draft pick for an old vet QB, Kolb might be a different story.
Brady has had three years to improve and so has anderson. After three years in the system you should show some improvement. Look at the guy who backed up Vick, he never played but looked pretty good when he got his chance. Palmer looked pretty good in his first few starts after sitting out his first season. I'm sure there are guys playing in the arena league with more accurate arms than our two QBs.
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My only question is: whoever suggested that we should trade a draft pick for a QB?
My only question is: whoever suggested that we should trade a draft pick for a QB?
How else are we going to get a different QB that is not a rookie? Unless we trade a player, but to pry away a McNabb, we may have to get rid of more players than we like.
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I do not want to trade a good draft pick for an old vet QB, Kolb might be a different story.
Brady has had three years to improve and so has anderson. After three years in the system you should show some improvement. Look at the guy who backed up Vick, he never played but looked pretty good when he got his chance. Palmer looked pretty good in his first few starts after sitting out his first season. I'm sure there are guys playing in the arena league with more accurate arms than our two QBs.
I do not want to trade a good draft pick for an old vet QB, Kolb might be a different story.
Brady has had three years to improve and so has anderson. After three years in the system you should show some improvement. Look at the guy who backed up Vick, he never played but looked pretty good when he got his chance. Palmer looked pretty good in his first few starts after sitting out his first season. I'm sure there are guys playing in the arena league with more accurate arms than our two QBs.
Again, and nobody seems to be responding to me when I say this...
We won't get Kolb if he's any good. If the Eagles like him, and think he's the future, their asking price will be more than we are willing to pay. If we can get him for even just a single 1st rounder, then he is likely not worth what we spend.
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I do not want to trade a good draft pick for an old vet QB, Kolb might be a different story.
Brady has had three years to improve and so has anderson. After three years in the system you should show some improvement. Look at the guy who backed up Vick, he never played but looked pretty good when he got his chance. Palmer looked pretty good in his first few starts after sitting out his first season. I'm sure there are guys playing in the arena league with more accurate arms than our two QBs.
I do not want to trade a good draft pick for an old vet QB, Kolb might be a different story.
Brady has had three years to improve and so has anderson. After three years in the system you should show some improvement. Look at the guy who backed up Vick, he never played but looked pretty good when he got his chance. Palmer looked pretty good in his first few starts after sitting out his first season. I'm sure there are guys playing in the arena league with more accurate arms than our two QBs.
Quinn hasn't had three years in one system. First of all he only played one series his rookie year. He has never even had a full training camp as the starter. The Browns have been the ones who have hindered his development.
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Well, I don't remember Bernie Kosar ever looking lost as a rookie, like Quinn has often looked.
That's my standard, Bernie Koar.
We need a qb who has the instincts and the keen ability to see the field and react accordingly, a natural qb.
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I do not want to trade a good draft pick for an old vet QB, Kolb might be a different story.
Brady has had three years to improve and so has anderson. After three years in the system you should show some improvement. Look at the guy who backed up Vick, he never played but looked pretty good when he got his chance. Palmer looked pretty good in his first few starts after sitting out his first season. I'm sure there are guys playing in the arena league with more accurate arms than our two QBs.
Quinn hasn't had three years in one system. First of all he only played one series his rookie year. He has never even had a full training camp as the starter. The Browns have been the ones who have hindered his development.
Quinn hasn't had three years in one system. First of all he only played one series his rookie year. He has never even had a full training camp as the starter. The Browns have been the ones who have hindered his development.
You know, the same thing can basically be said about Derek Anderson. Didn't play his rookie year, a couple games his second year, new O coordinator his third year, never had a full training camp as a starter... and he's produced on occasion, something you can't say about Quinn.
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Back to your original post...
Giving up a third rounder and maybe even a player they don't intend to use for a veteran QB that offers some stability at the position could be a very smart idea. 11 picks, it's all a crap shoot anyway, in the overall picture giving up one crap shot for a semi-proven commodity seems like a smart idea. Brady Quinn has had three years of coaching staffs watching what he can and can not do in practice, preseason and games. Mangini and Co. have a pretty good idea of what he's capable of.
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Back to your original post...
Giving up a third rounder and maybe even a player they don't intend to use for a veteran QB that offers some stability at the position could be a very smart idea. 11 picks, it's all a crap shoot anyway, in the overall picture giving up one crap shot for a semi-proven commodity seems like a smart idea. Brady Quinn has had three years of coaching staffs watching what he can and can not do in practice, preseason and games. Mangini and Co. have a pretty good idea of what he's capable of.
Back to your original post...
Giving up a third rounder and maybe even a player they don't intend to use for a veteran QB that offers some stability at the position could be a very smart idea. 11 picks, it's all a crap shoot anyway, in the overall picture giving up one crap shot for a semi-proven commodity seems like a smart idea. Brady Quinn has had three years of coaching staffs watching what he can and can not do in practice, preseason and games. Mangini and Co. have a pretty good idea of what he's capable of.
And what veteran QB out there that's worth a crap (satisfies what we want him for) will we be able to get for only a 3rd rounder and Corey Williams? I guarantee you that McNabb, Favre and Warner will not go that cheaply (Kolb will only go that cheaply if he isn't the answer anyways--not to mention he's not really a proven veteran) and Kerry Collins is way past his prime.
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QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.
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Obviously, it all comes down to what Holmgren & co. thinks, not us.
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QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.
Metcalf_FTW said:
QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.The argument will go on even after Anderson is traded. You folks will continue to follow him and praise him, all the while trashing the quarterback that is actually on our team. I'm starting to wonder if some of these folks are even Browns fans, or are they just Anderson fans?
I don't know what he's done that makes him the jewel of everyone's eye. He won 10 games against a cupcake schedule with a receiver who found his thumbs and a tight end that actually saw the field more than he was injured. He was the third string QB of the Pro Bowl. He still didn't lead us to the postseason (don't make Indy the scapegoat). By all means, let's continue to praise him, he's obviously the second coming of Jesus.
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QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.
Metcalf_FTW said:
QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.The most accuracy DA shows is when he is throwing the ball to someone NOT wearing an orange helmet. The only thing you can say positive and with a straight face about DA's quarterbacking skills is that he has a cannon for an arm. Other than that, he has nothing. He got into the Pro Bowl by default. He was not supposed to be there. He also has gone backward since then. He could not produce in the Pro Bowl with the league's most talented players around him. If it weren't for Braylon and K2 hauling in a ton of balls that should have been uncatchable, then DA would not have had any success that season either. Those two decided around the halfway point of the season not to sell themselves out anymore for poorly thrown passes. Then what happened? DA came back to earth. That season was a product of everyone around him having incredible seasons rather than a product of DA actually being good.
Anyway, the only way I trade a pick is for Kolb. I think he is going to be good and he is more than ready to take the reigns as a starter in the NFL. Why not with Cleveland? If there is a GM in the league that can pry him from Philly, it's Heckert.
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Metcalf_FTW said:
QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.The most accuracy DA shows is when he is throwing the ball to someone NOT wearing an orange helmet. The only thing you can say positive and with a straight face about DA's quarterbacking skills is that he has a cannon for an arm. Other than that, he has nothing. He got into the Pro Bowl by default. He was not supposed to be there. He also has gone backward since then. He could not produce in the Pro Bowl with the league's most talented players around him. If it weren't for Braylon and K2 hauling in a ton of balls that should have been uncatchable, then DA would not have had any success that season either. Those two decided around the halfway point of the season not to sell themselves out anymore for poorly thrown passes. Then what happened? DA came back to earth. That season was a product of everyone around him having incredible seasons rather than a product of DA actually being good.
Anyway, the only way I trade a pick is for Kolb. I think he is going to be good and he is more than ready to take the reigns as a starter in the NFL. Why not with Cleveland? If there is a GM in the league that can pry him from Philly, it's Heckert.
The most accuracy DA shows is when he is throwing the ball to someone NOT wearing an orange helmet. The only thing you can say positive and with a straight face about DA's quarterbacking skills is that he has a cannon for an arm. Other than that, he has nothing. He got into the Pro Bowl by default. He was not supposed to be there. He also has gone backward since then. He could not produce in the Pro Bowl with the league's most talented players around him. If it weren't for Braylon and K2 hauling in a ton of balls that should have been uncatchable, then DA would not have had any success that season either. Those two decided around the halfway point of the season not to sell themselves out anymore for poorly thrown passes. Then what happened? DA came back to earth. That season was a product of everyone around him having incredible seasons rather than a product of DA actually being good.
Anyway, the only way I trade a pick is for Kolb. I think he is going to be good and he is more than ready to take the reigns as a starter in the NFL. Why not with Cleveland? If there is a GM in the league that can pry him from Philly, it's Heckert.
And again, the price it will take to get Kolb if he's worth trying to get, will be too high for us to want him.
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Metcalf_FTW said:
QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.The argument will go on even after Anderson is traded. You folks will continue to follow him and praise him, all the while trashing the quarterback that is actually on our team. I'm starting to wonder if some of these folks are even Browns fans, or are they just Anderson fans?
I don't know what he's done that makes him the jewel of everyone's eye. He won 10 games against a cupcake schedule with a receiver who found his thumbs and a tight end that actually saw the field more than he was injured. He was the third string QB of the Pro Bowl. He still didn't lead us to the postseason (don't make Indy the scapegoat). By all means, let's continue to praise him, he's obviously the second coming of Jesus.
He won 10 games against a cupcake schedule with a receiver who found his thumbs and a tight end that actually saw the field more than he was injured. He was the third string QB of the Pro Bowl. He still didn't lead us to the postseason (don't make Indy the scapegoat).
Teams are supposed to have receivers that can catch and tight ends that play. In that surrounding, the kid did pretty well. Boo hoo... he was third string Pro Bowl in his first season of starts... that obviously means he's worth less than a pretty boy who can dump the ball for a two yard gain with consistency. And yes... he helped the team win 10, TEN, 10 games. That's gonna put a team in the playoffs in most cases. Can't blame him for another team laying down and letting another team in.
The last two seasons the Browns have not had good QB play from anyone... concussions, line injuries, receiver injuries, new system, new (rookie) starting receivers, you name it. The closest to "normal" this team has played was the last 5 games of the season.
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Quinn hasn't had three years in one system. First of all he only played one series his rookie year. He has never even had a full training camp as the starter. The Browns have been the ones who have hindered his development.
You know, the same thing can basically be said about Derek Anderson. Didn't play his rookie year, a couple games his second year, new O coordinator his third year, never had a full training camp as a starter... and he's produced on occasion, something you can't say about Quinn.
You know, the same thing can basically be said about Derek Anderson. Didn't play his rookie year, a couple games his second year, new O coordinator his third year, never had a full training camp as a starter... and he's produced on occasion, something you can't say about Quinn.
He also got cut by the Ravens. Because most NFL scouts that don't work for the Browns know he stinks.
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QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.
Metcalf_FTW said:
QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.Stop drinking during the day. Anderson couldn't even complete 50% of his passes this year. Unacceptable for an NFL QB. So please tell me how he is more accurate. I'm tired of people being blinded by his rocket arm.
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He won 10 games against a cupcake schedule with a receiver who found his thumbs and a tight end that actually saw the field more than he was injured. He was the third string QB of the Pro Bowl. He still didn't lead us to the postseason (don't make Indy the scapegoat).
Teams are supposed to have receivers that can catch and tight ends that play. In that surrounding, the kid did pretty well. Boo hoo... he was third string Pro Bowl in his first season of starts... that obviously means he's worth less than a pretty boy who can dump the ball for a two yard gain with consistency. And yes... he helped the team win 10, TEN, 10 games. That's gonna put a team in the playoffs in most cases. Can't blame him for another team laying down and letting another team in.
The last two seasons the Browns have not had good QB play from anyone... concussions, line injuries, receiver injuries, new system, new (rookie) starting receivers, you name it. The closest to "normal" this team has played was the last 5 games of the season.
Teams are supposed to have receivers that can catch and tight ends that play. In that surrounding, the kid did pretty well. Boo hoo... he was third string Pro Bowl in his first season of starts... that obviously means he's worth less than a pretty boy who can dump the ball for a two yard gain with consistency. And yes... he helped the team win 10, TEN, 10 games. That's gonna put a team in the playoffs in most cases. Can't blame him for another team laying down and letting another team in.
The last two seasons the Browns have not had good QB play from anyone... concussions, line injuries, receiver injuries, new system, new (rookie) starting receivers, you name it. The closest to "normal" this team has played was the last 5 games of the season.
You can blame him for throwing 4 picks against the terrible Bengals. The guy stinks. He better not be on our team next year. Seriously I'd rather have Tim Couch. At least he wasn't an idiot.
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Metcalf_FTW said:
QUINN IS JUST AS UNPROVEN AS DEREK ANDERSON. Actually, Anderson as proved that he can make it to the Pro Bowl when he actually has help. Quinn has no arm strength and is not accurate. Anderson is not always accurate, either, but he is far better than Quinn in that field. I guess this is an ongoing argument that will never die until one of these QBS are traded.Stop drinking during the day. Anderson couldn't even complete 50% of his passes this year. Unacceptable for an NFL QB. So please tell me how he is more accurate. I'm tired of people being blinded by his rocket arm.
Stop drinking during the day. Anderson couldn't even complete 50% of his passes this year. Unacceptable for an NFL QB. So please tell me how he is more accurate. I'm tired of people being blinded by his rocket arm.
Neither one of them are worth talking about! Its more of an argument of which qb smells worse than the other. If i had no option and had to choose between the two i guess i woud give quinn another shot. but man he has shown absolutely nothing to be optimistic about either. I mean his 53% completion percentage is unnacceptable as well!
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