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  • Flugel FlugelF Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
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    @alo said:

    This kid is REALLY gifted. I saw him make 2 plays in a goal line stand during the year that preserved a W over someone. Just an unbelieveable nose for the football where he bought the playaction fake and comitted toward the runner and had instinct to jump and block the pass heading toward an uncovered TE in the end zone. He was freakin everywhere the opponent hoped he wouldn't be. Pretty much every time I saw LSU he did something average players couldn't do. STUD.

    Alo, thanks for those highlights. As you see in the footage - he's easily one of the best Safeties in the draft. One thing that JUMPS out at me is this guy causes just as many turnovers against the running game as he does vrs the passign game, which is a pretty unique art/skill we would welcome. They say Eric Berry is only 195 pounds while Chad weighs about 230. IMO, he's leapfrogged Taylor Mays and even though Mays might do better vrs a stopwatch - this kid has that ideal first step instinct that shows up as FAST on the field and first to the football.

    The ONLY drawback with him is he is also one of their best pitchers on their National Champion level baseball team. More specifically, I don't know if he is going to be another Jeff Smardizja that chooses baseball over football or not. I'd love to see him in our division because he causes just as many turnovers against a running game as he does vrs passign games and that's UNIQUEHe also took a ribbing from coaches and teammates for showing up a little chubby the first day of football practice. Understanding the kid played 2 sports - I don't interpret this as bad character or being lazy. Your body requires some degree of rest and recuperation so I'm sure it didn't take long for him to burn off the stored calories.

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      Rolle would be a great pick but I am afraid he wouldn't drop to us in the 2nd unless he clocks slow at the combine. Now if we dropped down a little in the 1st then took him that would be great. We need a great cornerback and a great safety but great cornerbacks are a little harder to find. We could use a little great at all positions though 🙄

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        Rolle is probably a later round pick since he's been out of football for a year, but he's most definitly a Mangini guy.

        I'd also pick up Kurt Coleman late. He'd be a good special teamer, spot starter.

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          Chad Jones(LSU) or Larry Asante(neb) my two choices in second round

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          • FlugelF Flugel

            @alo said:

            This kid is REALLY gifted. I saw him make 2 plays in a goal line stand during the year that preserved a W over someone. Just an unbelieveable nose for the football where he bought the playaction fake and comitted toward the runner and had instinct to jump and block the pass heading toward an uncovered TE in the end zone. He was freakin everywhere the opponent hoped he wouldn't be. Pretty much every time I saw LSU he did something average players couldn't do. STUD.

            Alo, thanks for those highlights. As you see in the footage - he's easily one of the best Safeties in the draft. One thing that JUMPS out at me is this guy causes just as many turnovers against the running game as he does vrs the passign game, which is a pretty unique art/skill we would welcome. They say Eric Berry is only 195 pounds while Chad weighs about 230. IMO, he's leapfrogged Taylor Mays and even though Mays might do better vrs a stopwatch - this kid has that ideal first step instinct that shows up as FAST on the field and first to the football.

            The ONLY drawback with him is he is also one of their best pitchers on their National Champion level baseball team. More specifically, I don't know if he is going to be another Jeff Smardizja that chooses baseball over football or not. I'd love to see him in our division because he causes just as many turnovers against a running game as he does vrs passign games and that's UNIQUEHe also took a ribbing from coaches and teammates for showing up a little chubby the first day of football practice. Understanding the kid played 2 sports - I don't interpret this as bad character or being lazy. Your body requires some degree of rest and recuperation so I'm sure it didn't take long for him to burn off the stored calories.

            - Tom F.

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            A Alo wrote on last edited by Alo
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            @flugel said:

            This kid is REALLY gifted. I saw him make 2 plays in a goal line stand during the year that preserved a W over someone. Just an unbelieveable nose for the football where he bought the playaction fake and comitted toward the runner and had instinct to jump and block the pass heading toward an uncovered TE in the end zone. He was freakin everywhere the opponent hoped he wouldn't be. Pretty much every time I saw LSU he did something average players couldn't do. STUD.

            2009-Chad-Jones-vs-MSt.jpg

            He also returned a punt for a TD in that game.

            Jones has incredible upside; for that reason, he'll probably go in the 1st round. If he's available in the 2nd round, he'd be very hard to pass on.

            (By the way, my understanding is that he's chosen football over baseball)

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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              MR. Alo -

              If we did go defense the first two picks, what RT's would you be interested in,

              in the later rounds?

              If we don't sign or draft a RT, I'll be shocked. And dismayed.

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                S samoth wrote on last edited by
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                Isaac Sowells baby!!! He's finally ready!!!

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                  @flugel said:

                  This kid is REALLY gifted. I saw him make 2 plays in a goal line stand during the year that preserved a W over someone. Just an unbelieveable nose for the football where he bought the playaction fake and comitted toward the runner and had instinct to jump and block the pass heading toward an uncovered TE in the end zone. He was freakin everywhere the opponent hoped he wouldn't be. Pretty much every time I saw LSU he did something average players couldn't do. STUD.

                  2009-Chad-Jones-vs-MSt.jpg

                  He also returned a punt for a TD in that game.

                  Jones has incredible upside; for that reason, he'll probably go in the 1st round. If he's available in the 2nd round, he'd be very hard to pass on.

                  (By the way, my understanding is that he's chosen football over baseball)

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                  FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
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                  @alo said:

                  2009-Chad-Jones-vs-MSt.jpg

                  He also returned a punt for a TD in that game.

                  Jones has incredible upside; for that reason, he'll probably go in the 1st round. If he's available in the 2nd round, he'd be very hard to pass on.

                  (By the way, my understanding is that he's chosen football over baseball)

                  Alo,

                  Thank you for finding that picture the goal line stand play I was referencing. I forgot about his punt return for a TD in the same game. When I envision an X-factor on either side of the ball - I need to see his talent showing up on film as the winning difference. This play and the tackle he made in the goal line stand and well as videos you shared epitomizes a talented athlete that competes to win.

                  I hope people notice how often this kid jars football loose when he's not intercepting passers. My worry about us thinking he can be had in round 2 is that he never gets past any of these teams: Pittsburgh, Baltimore or New England. It seems like Ed Reed and Polly have missed alot of games to wear and tear as of late while NE's pass defense needs playmakers.

                  - Tom F.

                  I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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                    @alo said:

                    2009-Chad-Jones-vs-MSt.jpg

                    He also returned a punt for a TD in that game.

                    Jones has incredible upside; for that reason, he'll probably go in the 1st round. If he's available in the 2nd round, he'd be very hard to pass on.

                    (By the way, my understanding is that he's chosen football over baseball)

                    Alo,

                    Thank you for finding that picture the goal line stand play I was referencing. I forgot about his punt return for a TD in the same game. When I envision an X-factor on either side of the ball - I need to see his talent showing up on film as the winning difference. This play and the tackle he made in the goal line stand and well as videos you shared epitomizes a talented athlete that competes to win.

                    I hope people notice how often this kid jars football loose when he's not intercepting passers. My worry about us thinking he can be had in round 2 is that he never gets past any of these teams: Pittsburgh, Baltimore or New England. It seems like Ed Reed and Polly have missed alot of games to wear and tear as of late while NE's pass defense needs playmakers.

                    - Tom F.

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                    @flugel said:

                    Alo,

                    Thank you for finding that picture the goal line stand play I was referencing. I forgot about his punt return for a TD in the same game. When I envision an X-factor on either side of the ball - I need to see his talent showing up on film as the winning difference. This play and the tackle he made in the goal line stand and well as videos you shared epitomizes a talented athlete that competes to win.

                    I hope people notice how often this kid jars football loose when he's not intercepting passers. My worry about us thinking he can be had in round 2 is that he never gets past any of these teams: Pittsburgh, Baltimore or New England. It seems like Ed Reed and Polly have missed alot of games to wear and tear as of late while NE's pass defense needs playmakers.

                    - Tom F.

                    NE just recently took mayweather and Chung....but he may very well end up a raven...The OZ doesn't pass on guys like this!

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                      B Big Chuck wrote on last edited by
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                      If Berry is gone, I like Kam Chancellor of Virgina Tech or Taylor Mays of USC. They are both big and athletic. They both are strong in run support and have speed to cover deep.

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                        Taylor Mays is awful. He only goes for the big hit, never for the ball or for the tackle. He wants to be a highlight reel guy on every play but it makes him whiff all too often. Highly overrated. This is all as a safety. However, if we got him in the 3rd or 4th round where I doubt he'll be, he could be a monster as a converted OLB.

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                          B Browns wrote on last edited by
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                          That LSU kid, or Trevard Lindley.

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                            Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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                            I Am What I Learn: Myron Rolle's Story

                            He is not your typical Neon Deion Sanders type. But he can definatley play some football.

                            Head or Gut?
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                              MR. Alo -

                              If we did go defense the first two picks, what RT's would you be interested in,

                              in the later rounds?

                              If we don't sign or draft a RT, I'll be shocked. And dismayed.

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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              MR. Alo -

                              If we did go defense the first two picks, what RT's would you be interested in,

                              in the later rounds?

                              Jared Veldheer's getting a lot of pub. I haven't gotten a chance to watch him play, but it'll be interesting to read the reports coming from this week's Texas vs. the Nation game; he's one of the more noteworthy prospects participating.

                              TFY Draft said:

                              - Division II standout Jared Veldheer, one of the few small school lineman to receive a combine invitation has been training in Tennessee under the tutelage of thirteen year veteran and former All Pro Brad Hopkins. According to Hopkins the small school tackle is one of the best athletes he’s ever seen. We reported on November 12th that some around the league were calling Veldheer “this year’s Sebastian Vollmer.” We hear Veldheer is making huge strides in the weight room as Hillsdale never had a strength and conditioning coach or S&C program for the football team.

                              via here.

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                                Chad Jones(LSU) or Larry Asante(neb) my two choices in second round

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                                @solon16 said:

                                Chad Jones(LSU) or Larry Asante(neb) my two choices in second round

                                Major Wright Florida in round 3

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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                  Jared Veldheer's getting a lot of pub. I haven't gotten a chance to watch him play, but it'll be interesting to read the reports coming from this week's Texas vs. the Nation game; he's one of the more noteworthy prospects participating. ALO

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                                  Wow. I never heard of him, which is no surprise. Awesome find !

                                  He will probably climb the draft... what a third round pick he would be for the Browns. I don't see him

                                  going any later than that.

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                                    DestinFunkD DestinFunk wrote on last edited by
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                                    While i agree they need to look at RT they need impact playmakers in round 1 and 2..the earliest i hope they look at RT is 3rd round...grab another solid FA for RT if need be...they can block all day for whatever QB may be back there but noone can make plays on offense...

                                    fongers crossed for a playmaker 🙂

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                                      DestinFunkD DestinFunk wrote on last edited by
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                                      and fingers 2!

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                                        A report from Texas vs. the Nation:

                                        Chad Reuter said:

                                        Veldheer is this year's version of Sebastian Vollmer, the Houston offensive tackle who wowed scouts enough at the 2009 East-West practices to earn a late second-round pick by the Patriots (and a starting spot on the right side). His athleticism -- at 6-8, 315 pounds -- is astounding and he plays with real toughness and consistent arm extension in pass protection. After he runs a sub-5.0 40-yard dash at the Combine, Veldheer's almost assured of being a top-75 selection.

                                        Veldheer's play hasn't been perfect. Impressive Rutgers defensive end George Johnson displayed great power and speed to beat him with an outside-in move in one-on-one drills. Johnson let Veldheer know about it afterward, but failed to beat him the second time around. Veldheer took him around the pocket and continued to pound Johnson well after the end had given up trying to win the battle.

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