Browns Trade........Up?
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With two shutdown corners, then our Safeties aren't as necessary for coverage duty. Then Elam and Adams can man the two safety positions and both be enforcers, which they are both good at. Adams is serviceable in coverage, and Elam is not.
Again, I really, really, really don't think you take a safety, no matter how good, in the top 10. So trading up for Berry would be stupid in my mind. If he falls to #7, maybe think about it. But I'd rather a shutdown corner at this stage with the Browns.
It all depends though, on whether they resign Jackson or not. We might have to go with a LB if they don't.
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We need an impact player at pick 7. Haden is instant impact since Wright is turning into a pretty solid corner himself. Haden could come in and take on the opponents number one which would make Wright even better covering the number two. Then you can move Bmac in the slot and get Adams back at safety. I actually think Haden may be a bigger impact than Berry because Ryan will be able to scheme very effectively and stay aggressive.
That being said, I still am sporting some maple over Spiller. He is going to be a dynamic pro and picturing him on our offense with Harrison and Cribbs would give our division fits. Hell, they've been used to us trying to ram Lewis at them so watch how much we can open up on them when they have to worry about a guy like Spiller in both the running and passing game.
Either way, there can be impact picks at 7....there is more to this draft than just Suh and Berry.
Mark my words on Spiller folks, he will tear it up wherever he goes.
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Mark my words, the Browns won't have Spiller on their first round pick list.
Spiller is a great pick for a team that has great talent around, but badly needs a playmaking rb.
Look at Reggie Bush's contributions to the Saints the last four games:
Week 14 '09 (@ATL)1 6 33 33.0 5.5 0 6 46 46.0 7.7 21 - - 2 1 0
Week 15 '09 (DAL) 1 1 29 29.0 29.0 0 2 17 17.0 8.5 16 - - 0 0 0
Week 16 '09 (TAM) 1 2 16 16.0 8.0 0 6 37 37.0 6.2 15 - - 0 0 0
Week 17 (@CAR) 1 5 35 35.0 7.0 0 0 0 0.0 N/A N/A - - 0 0 0
Riff, that's zero TD's, 6 rushes 33 yards, 1 rush 29 yards, 2 rushes 16 yards, 5 for 35 yards.
The Browns have some major needs, and it isn't rb. The Browns pick will be Haden, probably, or maybe Rolando M., lb.
Spiller is spectacular, but if we nabbed a rb in the first round? I would happily trade our second pick and DA to move up
in the first round again, and nab Dwyer, if he's going to go later in the first... might have to be just ahead of the squeelers.
THAT is a rb we need, a fast, bruising punisher. But, I still like the kid Jocquin Bell? in the 4th/5th round.
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I like Joe Haden a lot, and this is coming from a kid who hates Florida. The kid is truly great at what he does. Looking at what Revis did for the Jets this year, I think a shutdown corner can possibly help more than getting a stud safety for us.
As for C.J. Spiller- I love him too, and I also hate Clemson. I'd love to see Thunder and Lightning reunited. But it isn't going to happen unless his stock falls tremendously. I'm a huge fan of one-cut runners. I think that's what James Davis could be for us.
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How about Joe Haden ? I keep seeing mock drafts with the Browns taking him at 7th. What do you guys think about him? I heard he's a pretty good shutdown corner. Thanks.
Joe is a excellent corner who can man up on anyone. Not being a Gator homer here.....he is a real top shelf corner who will be able to allow his DC to stick him on a receiver of choice and pretty much eliminate that player from the passing gameplan.
You want a Bolden out of the mix?? Stick Haden on him and Bolden isn't going to get many open looks.
He would improve our D in more ways than one.
Joe is a excellent corner who can man up on anyone. Not being a Gator homer here.....he is a real top shelf corner who will be able to allow his DC to stick him on a receiver of choice and pretty much eliminate that player from the passing gameplan.
You want a Bolden out of the mix?? Stick Haden on him and Bolden isn't going to get many open looks.
He would improve our D in more ways than one.
As a Rookie ?? I dont know... maybe in yr 2 or 3. But maybe your right. Dont see a lot of guys do that in year 1.
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if there are any legs to that DA going to STL, is it possible that we would be trading our #7 pick and DA to stl for the #1 overall pick? suh or berry?
if there are any legs to that DA going to STL, is it possible that we would be trading our #7 pick and DA to stl for the #1 overall pick? suh or berry?
we cant rip them off like that but on the other end we would trade the overall one spot for that at least mandingo would.
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if there are any legs to that DA going to STL, is it possible that we would be trading our #7 pick and DA to stl for the #1 overall pick? suh or berry?
if there are any legs to that DA going to STL, is it possible that we would be trading our #7 pick and DA to stl for the #1 overall pick? suh or berry?
that would only happen if mangini were calling the shots in st louis.
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Haden is a flat out stud, and I hate the freakin Gators
Spiller, Love him!!!!!!!!
Got a idea, draft Haden...then trade anybody not named Cribbs and get Spiller......
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Joe is a excellent corner who can man up on anyone. Not being a Gator homer here.....he is a real top shelf corner who will be able to allow his DC to stick him on a receiver of choice and pretty much eliminate that player from the passing gameplan.
You want a Bolden out of the mix?? Stick Haden on him and Bolden isn't going to get many open looks.
He would improve our D in more ways than one.
As a Rookie ?? I dont know... maybe in yr 2 or 3. But maybe your right. Dont see a lot of guys do that in year 1.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
As a Rookie ?? I dont know... maybe in yr 2 or 3. But maybe your right. Dont see a lot of guys do that in year 1.Obviously rooks have ups and downs. It's not like every pass thrown his way is going to get picked or batted down....and yes, when discussing potential draft picks, you have to project forward to a degree, so sure, my comments aren't just geared for what he is going to do game 1 of his NFL career.
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Now, back to the trade up discussion, I could see us trading up to the late 1st round if a player we want is there.
Maybe something like our 2nd and 1 of our 3rd round selections, and 1 of the 5th rounders to get in to the late 20's area of the first round.
I am not going to pull out that draft trade value chart, but that seems to be about what it would take to move up 10-12 slots.....maybe grab Ipatui(sp) in the late 1st round.
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The Browns do NOT have the overall talent to sacrifice those picks for a player in the top of the draft, when
they are already picking 7th. Won't happen.
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the Browns need to go Haden or go home. and I hate Florida too.
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Would it be a good move to trade this years first and next years 1st and a 3rd for suh. We most likely would be picking 10-15 next year. Then we can get Patrick Robinson this year in the 2nd and a OL and QB in the 3rd. Our 4th a Safety, and we have 3 5ths to get more talent. We most likely will be getting a 4th or so for Quinn, so we will have some picks. I don't agree Haden or go home, but he is great. I just think without a passrush it really dont matter who our corners are. Suh would be great to have on the line with Rogers and no 1st pick next year would only save us money.
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Would it be a good move to trade this years first and next years 1st and a 3rd for suh. We most likely would be picking 10-15 next year. Then we can get Patrick Robinson this year in the 2nd and a OL and QB in the 3rd. Our 4th a Safety, and we have 3 5ths to get more talent. We most likely will be getting a 4th or so for Quinn, so we will have some picks. I don't agree Haden or go home, but he is great. I just think without a passrush it really dont matter who our corners are. Suh would be great to have on the line with Rogers and no 1st pick next year would only save us money.
Would it be a good move to trade this years first and next years 1st and a 3rd for suh. We most likely would be picking 10-15 next year. Then we can get Patrick Robinson this year in the 2nd and a OL and QB in the 3rd. Our 4th a Safety, and we have 3 5ths to get more talent. We most likely will be getting a 4th or so for Quinn, so we will have some picks. I don't agree Haden or go home, but he is great. I just think without a passrush it really dont matter who our corners are. Suh would be great to have on the line with Rogers and no 1st pick next year would only save us money.
No.....too steep a price to give.
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