Cribbs contract update
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Zombo said:
OK, he doesn't just return kicks ... he is the best kick returner in NFL History.Best Ever.
381 yards and 6.9 per carry out of the WildDawg last year ... which was very effective in our four game win stretch.
And he's also a Pro Bowl kick coverage guy.
He's the star of the punt return team, the kick return team, the kick coverage team, the punt coverage team and one of our true offensive weapons as a WildDawg.
Eric Steinbach, Derek Anderson, Jamal Lewis and Corey Williams all made more than $4million last year, I venture to say Cribbs is more valuable than any of them.
Zombo
Good old Zombo! Lol. Good post. Thank you for calling that to our attention. But we also have players that are as valuable or more valuable who made less then $4 million, Jerome Harrison, Alex Mack, Wimbley, Joe Thomas, Phil Dawson, Dave, Zastudil, etc......
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Zombo said:
OK, he doesn't just return kicks ... he is the best kick returner in NFL History.Best Ever.
381 yards and 6.9 per carry out of the WildDawg last year ... which was very effective in our four game win stretch.
And he's also a Pro Bowl kick coverage guy.
He's the star of the punt return team, the kick return team, the kick coverage team, the punt coverage team and one of our true offensive weapons as a WildDawg.
Eric Steinbach, Derek Anderson, Jamal Lewis and Corey Williams all made more than $4million last year, I venture to say Cribbs is more valuable than any of them.
Zombo
Good old Zombo! Lol. Good post. Thank you for calling that to our attention. But we also have players that are as valuable or more valuable who made less then $4 million, Jerome Harrison, Alex Mack, Wimbley, Joe Thomas, Phil Dawson, Dave, Zastudil, etc......
Good old Zombo! Lol. Good post. Thank you for calling that to our attention. But we also have players that are as valuable or more valuable who made less then $4 million, Jerome Harrison, Alex Mack, Wimbley, Joe Thomas, Phil Dawson, Dave, Zastudil, etc......
Alex Mack is a rookie, and got a rookie Center salary.
Kam Wimbley has been mostly a non-factor, so he doesn't deserve to earn $4 million.
I can agree about Joe Thomas, he should get a larger contract.
Jerome Harrison wasn't valuable at all until this year. His contract will change.
And you're really mentioning both Philly D and Dave Zastudil when they proved they could easily be replaced this year? Just so everyone knows- I was, and am still, on the Billy Cundiff train. He's a fantastic kicker. Sad he went to the Ratbirds. And Reggie Hodges proved that Zastudil is expendable.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...owns_jos_1.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio --The agent for Josh Cribbs said today that he's having "very positive exchanges'' with the Browns regarding Cribbs' contract extension, but that he had no timetable for when a deal might be done.
"This is the most positive dialogue we've had since we've been doing this over the past three years with the Browns,'' said agent J.R. Rickert. "We're exchanging numbers and there's no telling what the timetable will be, but when we can bridge all of the existing gaps, we'll have this done.''
Rickert said he didn't think any of "the gaps are insurmountable'' and that he and Cribbs are very optimistic that a deal will get done. Cribbs, who's under contract through 2012, has said he thought a deal could be in place by the NFL Combine on Feb. 24, but Rickert declined to put a date on it.
Rickert said he's working closely with Browns general manager Tom Heckert and new vice president of football operations Matt Thomas on the deal and "it's the most professional dialogue'' he's had with the Browns.
Nice to hear that the word professional is still known around the Browns' upper management.
And glad to hear that Cribbs is going to be in Cleveland for awhile.
Nice to hear that the word professional is still known around the Browns' upper management.
And glad to hear that Cribbs is going to be in Cleveland for awhile.
Get'rr her done.
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This is xxxxing driving me insane, just pay him already.
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Zombo said:
We're talking about punters?B-57 has a punter ranked ahead of Josh Cribbs in value??
Cribbs has been in the league 5 years and has returned more kicks for TDs than anyone in the 90-year history of the league.
I REPEAT
Cribbs has returned more kicks for TDs in five years than anyone else has in the history of the NFL.
He's a GAMEBREAKER. And our best coverage guy. And an excellent WildDawg QB/RB.
I must admonish B-57 for comparing Zastudil (and Dawson, etc.) to Cribbs, but at the same time I must also admonish Couch for comparing Zasudil with Reggie Hodges.
Zastudil is a very good punter. Reggie Hodges sucks.
Zombo
. I was at the Baltimore game early in the season and watched Zastudil punt for us. That, to me, was probably his best game in his career as far as coffin cornering goes. I don't know the stats because I'm too drunk to actually look them up, but it seemed like every punt he had was within the 10 yard line, with most within the 5. It was then that I started proclaiming Dave Zastudil the best player on our team.
But then he got injured and Reggie Hodges came in. I thought Hodges sucked, and was royally pissed, but then I watched him finish the season for us. The man had some pretty good games. Granted, Zastudil is still much better, but Hodges had plenty of kicks that pinned the opponents within their 15. Zastudil has a much larger leg, and his punts are more fun to watch if only because they seem to be in the air for damn ever. But if Zastudil were released for some reason, I wouldn't mind Hodges filling in for him. He was much better than Scott Player was when he filled in for us, at least. And let's not forget that Hodges is a Mangini guy, and probably helped push the "system".
All in all, I'd rather have Zastudil no doubt. But if he were to leave for some reason, Hodges is definitely passable in my book.
Plus, I just found out he's one of the few African-American punters in the NFL. I should probably start looking up pictures of our players. I'm pretty sure I thought Rex Hadnot was a white guy for at least 3 years. I suck.
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Zombo said:
We're talking about punters?
B-57 has a punter ranked ahead of Josh Cribbs in value??
Cribbs has been in the league 5 years and has returned more kicks for TDs than anyone in the 90-year history of the league.
I REPEAT
Cribbs has returned more kicks for TDs in five years than anyone else has in the history of the NFL.
He's a GAMEBREAKER. And our best coverage guy. And an excellent WildDawg QB/RB.
I must admonish B-57 for comparing Zastudil (and Dawson, etc.) to Cribbs, but at the same time I must also admonish Couch for comparing Zasudil with Reggie Hodges.
Zastudil is a very good punter. Reggie Hodges sucks.
Zombo
Ok so are you saying that someone who scores points occasionally. (Cribbs) But can do it on a single play!= and cause excitement is more important? I agree that Zastudil is a great punter. A pro bowler a year or two ago if I'm not mistaken. He routinely pins teams deep and that is a big deal. It affects the play calling and makes it easier for our D to get a three and out. With as much time as they spend on the field, that is critical. And as for Dawson, he has been a very reliable kicker for us, and single handedly (Like Cribbs has done) won a game for us (in Buffalo) this year. He also scores in almost every game. And who can forget some of the great kicks he has made over the years. Now I do not think that either of these players deserve 4-5 mil. But I do think that this is a team game and I would argue that either of these players is just as valuable as Cribbs. Maybe not as exciting or flashy but just as valuable but of course in a different way.
And I will disagree also with the previous poster who dared to compare the Hodges to Zastudil, or Cundiff to Dawson! Just terrible.
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Kickers are kickers..the difference between the best kicker and the worst kicker is a pretty small margin. We saw that this year when Dawson went down and Cundiff came in and other than the number on the jersey, no one would've known the difference between the two.
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Kickers are kickers..the difference between the best kicker and the worst kicker is a pretty small margin. We saw that this year when Dawson went down and Cundiff came in and other than the number on the jersey, no one would've known the difference between the two.
Kickers are kickers..the difference between the best kicker and the worst kicker is a pretty small margin. We saw that this year when Dawson went down and Cundiff came in and other than the number on the jersey, no one would've known the difference between the two.
i don't think that's totally accurate Mark. Cundiff kicked when the coaches thought he could make it.Dawson actually has the ability to change the gameplan. he brings additional options, at least when playing at home.
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i always feel less anxiety with phil kicking, especially in inclement weather. that said, its not hard to find someone with a willing and capable leg.
i always feel less anxiety with phil kicking, especially in inclement weather. that said, its not hard to find someone with a willing and capable leg.
that's what the Ravens thought...and Stover ended up playing in the Super Bowl. and i disagree they'd be as capable as Dawson at his best.
fwiw i think the Ravens snagged up Cundiff after Phil returned.
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I would not be too hart broken to see Phil go. Let him shop around and see how many offers he gets.
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i always feel less anxiety with phil kicking, especially in inclement weather. that said, its not hard to find someone with a willing and capable leg.
that's what the Ravens thought...and Stover ended up playing in the Super Bowl. and i disagree they'd be as capable as Dawson at his best.
fwiw i think the Ravens snagged up Cundiff after Phil returned.
that's what the Ravens thought...and Stover ended up playing in the Super Bowl. and i disagree they'd be as capable as Dawson at his best.
fwiw i think the Ravens snagged up Cundiff after Phil returned.
Any kicker on their roster would have played in the superbowl.
WSS
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that's what the Ravens thought...and Stover ended up playing in the Super Bowl. and i disagree they'd be as capable as Dawson at his best.
fwiw i think the Ravens snagged up Cundiff after Phil returned.
Any kicker on their roster would have played in the superbowl.
WSS
Any kicker on their roster would have played in the superbowl.
WSS
Great point WSS
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/..._josh_crib.html
CLEVELAND --The Browns and agents for receiver Josh Cribbs have agreed on everything but the guaranteed money in his new deal, a league source told The Plain Dealer on Tuesday.
If Browns President Mike Holmgren agrees to the latest proposal from Cribbs' agents on the guarantee, the deal will be done. If not, it will be up to Cribbs to decide if he wants to accept the Browns' current offer, or walk away from the deal, the source said.
Cribbs has been seeking $10 million guaranteed over the next three seasons, and the Browns have been offering $5 million guaranteed. The new proposal is likely somewhere in between. All of the other bonuses and escalators are set.
They're also at odds over how and when to pay out the guaranteed money. But Cribbs could exceed the maximum value of Devin Hester's recent extension if he hits all of his performance incentives and escalators. Hester, of the Bears, signed a four-year extension in 2008 worth $40 million, including $15 million guaranteed. Other top players with similar roles are making $3 million to $5.5 million a year, including Houston's Andre Davis ($4.3 million) and Buffalo's Roscoe Parris ($3 million).
Cribbs' deal would be a restructuring of his remaining three years, which are worth just over $1 million a year. The Browns have recently said they plan to expand Cribbs' role on offense.
Over the past three seasons, Cribbs he has more all-purpose yards than any other player in the NFL, with the top five stacking up this way: Cribbs -- 6,345, San Diego's Darren Sproles -- 6,052, Minnesota's Adrian Peterson -- 5,741, Jacksonville's Maurice Jones-Drew -- 5,639, and Miami's Ted Ginn Jr. -- 5,486.
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Looks like it's done: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...cribbs_t_1.html
Cleveland Browns' Josh Cribbs to hold press conference, most likely to announce new deal
By Mary Kay Cabot
March 03, 2010, 4:39PM
Joshua Gunter/ The PD
Josh Cribbs has scheduled his own press conference for Friday at the Cleveland Auto Show.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns kick returner/wide receiver Josh Cribbs will hold a press conference Friday at 5 p.m, most likely to announce his new deal with the Browns.
The press conference will be held in conjunction with his previously scheduled appearance the the 2010 Cleveland Auto Show at the I-X Center.
Cribbs' representatives announced the press conference in a release, but did not disclose what the news would be. He is scheduled to sign autographs at the show from 6-8 p.m. at the Hyundai display.
“It’s not very often that fans get to hear an announcement from a player in person. And, it’s even more unlikely that they’re given a chance to speak to that player right after that announcement has been made," Cribbs said in a statement.
“That’s why I’m choosing to have this press conference at the auto show. So that anyone in attendance will have the opportunity to hear what I have to say and the chance to speak with me about it in person.”
A Browns spokesman said they were not aware of the press conference.
A league source told The Plain Dealer on Tuesday that Cribbs and the Browns were very close to completing the new deal, with only the guaranteed money still to be determined. Cribbs had been seeking $10 million over the next three seasons and the Browns have been offering $5 million guaranteed.
Cribbs' new deal would be a restructuring of his remaining three years, which are worth just over $1 million a year.
Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert, wouldn't say Wednesday if a deal had been completed.
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Screw Cribbs.
He did nothing in the Pittsburgh win
Trade him for a second rounder so we can get another Robiskie Game breaker.
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Screw Cribbs.
He did nothing in the Pittsburgh win
Trade him for a second rounder so we can get another Robiskie Game breaker.
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We still have Cribbs? I thought I could hear Pittspuke fans crying.
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Zombo said:
We're talking about punters?
B-57 has a punter ranked ahead of Josh Cribbs in value??
Cribbs has been in the league 5 years and has returned more kicks for TDs than anyone in the 90-year history of the league.
I REPEAT
Cribbs has returned more kicks for TDs in five years than anyone else has in the history of the NFL.
He's a GAMEBREAKER. And our best coverage guy. And an excellent WildDawg QB/RB.
I must admonish B-57 for comparing Zastudil (and Dawson, etc.) to Cribbs, but at the same time I must also admonish Couch for comparing Zasudil with Reggie Hodges.
Zastudil is a very good punter. Reggie Hodges sucks.
Zombo
Ok so are you saying that someone who scores points occasionally. (Cribbs) But can do it on a single play!= and cause excitement is more important? I agree that Zastudil is a great punter. A pro bowler a year or two ago if I'm not mistaken. He routinely pins teams deep and that is a big deal. It affects the play calling and makes it easier for our D to get a three and out. With as much time as they spend on the field, that is critical. And as for Dawson, he has been a very reliable kicker for us, and single handedly (Like Cribbs has done) won a game for us (in Buffalo) this year. He also scores in almost every game. And who can forget some of the great kicks he has made over the years. Now I do not think that either of these players deserve 4-5 mil. But I do think that this is a team game and I would argue that either of these players is just as valuable as Cribbs. Maybe not as exciting or flashy but just as valuable but of course in a different way.
And I will disagree also with the previous poster who dared to compare the Hodges to Zastudil, or Cundiff to Dawson! Just terrible.
And I will disagree also with the previous poster who dared to compare the Hodges to Zastudil, or Cundiff to Dawson! Just terrible.
Dawson doesn't have the leg he used to, and Zastudil is replaceable. Dawson and Zastudil are still better than Hodges and Cundiff, but the margin isn't as large as you might want to believe it is.
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And I will disagree also with the previous poster who dared to compare the Hodges to Zastudil, or Cundiff to Dawson! Just terrible.
Dawson doesn't have the leg he used to, and Zastudil is replaceable. Dawson and Zastudil are still better than Hodges and Cundiff, but the margin isn't as large as you might want to believe it is.
Dawson doesn't have the leg he used to, and Zastudil is replaceable. Dawson and Zastudil are still better than Hodges and Cundiff, but the margin isn't as large as you might want to believe it is.
not to take this further in the kicker direction, but according to Dawson himself his leg is the strongest it's ever been. based upon his improved 50 yard field goal success and his kickoffs i tend to agree.
Phil Dawson has been a model Brown. i hope he retires one.
oh, and that's great news about Cribbs.
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