New Beginning ... Browns fans reunite
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Go Browns!
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Holmgert sounds like something Rex Ryan has 4 cases of in his 3rd basement fridge
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The feel of the old browns will be back. That is for certain.
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I'm gonna miss those days...
Denver goes up 7 - 0 on a 15 yard fade to MArshall in the 1st quarter....
Frye "How did that do that? I always thought TDs were impossible?"
DA "No way you stupid hick! I've thrown A LOT of them to the other team."
Quinn "Hey boyths, How did he srow it so far? Kyle is....so.....cute!"
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Out with the old, in with new.
This is a great new beginning (again). Not sure what is in-store for us record wise, but a new beginning for Browns fans to regroup and get back on the same page. The QB controversy caused a lot a rif among Browns fans, here's to partying once again as a group.
The Browns Board had 960 users online at once today. Many new members since October of 2009 when tensions were heated and many more since Holmgren has taken over. It's a new chapter and a new beginning.
Raise your glass to yet another rebirth.
Cheers!
Out with the old, in with new.
This is a great new beginning (again). Not sure what is in-store for us record wise, but a new beginning for Browns fans to regroup and get back on the same page. The QB controversy caused a lot a rif among Browns fans, here's to partying once again as a group.
The Browns Board had 960 users online at once today. Many new members since October of 2009 when tensions were heated and many more since Holmgren has taken over. It's a new chapter and a new beginning.
Raise your glass to yet another rebirth.
Cheers!
Stan,
I'm already drinking the orange Sh&t! Why the hell not start getting positive about another change. This is kind of the thrid major change since rejoining the league and i'm all for superstition - 3rd time lucky - I'll go for that. This is sending a big message to the team, fans and league - not saying we are playoff bound next year or anything stupid, we may not do better than 5 Ws again this year but...... the days of taking the piss out of Cleveland for having no one holding the rudder are over. I'll get drunk just on that for now.
This news means i have to book a mid season game this year, want to see the bedded in team not the bedding in team. Real drinks in 7 months!
Howie.
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This is what had to happen. We have had a negative culture in C-town ever since it was clear that Couch sucked and people wanted to see someone else....and it has carried on ever since.
This is the real change....a chance that is going to produce results....I think as early as next season.
Why not 9-10 wins??
We may not get that many, but I think we at least have a chance.
It's going to be fun watching the draft as we move up and down seeking the next great Cleveland Browns players.
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I do strategy for a living and I really don't understand the plan for this team. Since Mangini got here, and now with Holmegren, we continue to "Give Away" first round draft picks and get little to nothing in return for them, this is history repeating itself and our recent history sucks! When Butch Davis got here he traded away all of Chris Palmers draft picks, like wise when Crennel got here he shed all of Davis' picks and now Mangenius and Holmgren are dumping Crennel's first rounders at an alarming rate. I'm not saying any of the previous picks were right or wrong, what i'm saying is that since 1999 this team has seen no stability in its roster which continues to be purged year after year. If you look at the best teams in the NFL over the last 10 years you see that they have a nucleus of core players that don't turnover, but instead use the draft and free agency to fill small holes. Look I'm not saying we need to win the superbowl, but just put a competitive team on the field for a few years in a row. I am a life long fan with many ties to Cleveland, but until there appears to be a sound strategy for this team and we can at least get to .500, I will not be spending my hard earned dollars here.
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I do strategy for a living and I really don't understand the plan for this team. Since Mangini got here, and now with Holmegren, we continue to "Give Away" first round draft picks and get little to nothing in return for them, this is history repeating itself and our recent history sucks! When Butch Davis got here he traded away all of Chris Palmers draft picks, like wise when Crennel got here he shed all of Davis' picks and now Mangenius and Holmgren are dumping Crennel's first rounders at an alarming rate. I'm not saying any of the previous picks were right or wrong, what i'm saying is that since 1999 this team has seen no stability in its roster which continues to be purged year after year. If you look at the best teams in the NFL over the last 10 years you see that they have a nucleus of core players that don't turnover, but instead use the draft and free agency to fill small holes. Look I'm not saying we need to win the superbowl, but just put a competitive team on the field for a few years in a row. I am a life long fan with many ties to Cleveland, but until there appears to be a sound strategy for this team and we can at least get to .500, I will not be spending my hard earned dollars here.
I do strategy for a living and I really don't understand the plan for this team. Since Mangini got here, and now with Holmegren, we continue to "Give Away" first round draft picks and get little to nothing in return for them, this is history repeating itself and our recent history sucks! When Butch Davis got here he traded away all of Chris Palmers draft picks, like wise when Crennel got here he shed all of Davis' picks and now Mangenius and Holmgren are dumping Crennel's first rounders at an alarming rate. I'm not saying any of the previous picks were right or wrong, what i'm saying is that since 1999 this team has seen no stability in its roster which continues to be purged year after year. If you look at the best teams in the NFL over the last 10 years you see that they have a nucleus of core players that don't turnover, but instead use the draft and free agency to fill small holes. Look I'm not saying we need to win the superbowl, but just put a competitive team on the field for a few years in a row. I am a life long fan with many ties to Cleveland, but until there appears to be a sound strategy for this team and we can at least get to .500, I will not be spending my hard earned dollars here.
It is a poor strategy to hold on to a player that is not contributing just because he is a high choice. We've had players that have been just the opposite- that is they contributed significantly despite being drafted low (or at all). Cribbs and Pontbriand come to mind right away.
Look at what we got for Quinn. That should tell you what his worth was to the team, and to other teams.
This is a win-win-win scenario. For the Browns, Quinn's presence was clearly a distraction for management and the coaching staff. They could not develop their talent with all the disruption caused by the fan base and media. Now they can get to their jobs. For the Broncos, they get a QB with some upside that will play behind their starter (and perhaps compete with him). For Quinn, he gets a fresh start in a good program.
Holmgren had to let hm go. We can focus on football once again. It is a good strategy.
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I'll have a Frostie Root Beer on the rocks !
Man that brings home some mems..is it still being bottled? Yose
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I don't know. Steve said he saw it, but I have found
"Frosttop" rootbeer at Rural King - it seems to be the same thing.
It's the good stuff.
Barq's, A&W, Dad's, Mug.. they're good.
But Frostie/Frosttop is great.
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Where did you get this pic? It doesnt make any sense unless its photoshopped.
There hasn't been a game where Brady has taken snaps while DA holds the clipboard and Charlie does nothing.
Unless it was preseason 2007...hmm...
It was on the Plain Dealer site.
I'm guessing you are right, it had to be pre-season because Frye, Anderson, and Quinn only played in one regular season game together.
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I do strategy for a living and I really don't understand the plan for this team. Since Mangini got here, and now with Holmegren, we continue to "Give Away" first round draft picks and get little to nothing in return for them, this is history repeating itself and our recent history sucks! When Butch Davis got here he traded away all of Chris Palmers draft picks, like wise when Crennel got here he shed all of Davis' picks and now Mangenius and Holmgren are dumping Crennel's first rounders at an alarming rate. I'm not saying any of the previous picks were right or wrong, what i'm saying is that since 1999 this team has seen no stability in its roster which continues to be purged year after year. If you look at the best teams in the NFL over the last 10 years you see that they have a nucleus of core players that don't turnover, but instead use the draft and free agency to fill small holes. Look I'm not saying we need to win the superbowl, but just put a competitive team on the field for a few years in a row. I am a life long fan with many ties to Cleveland, but until there appears to be a sound strategy for this team and we can at least get to .500, I will not be spending my hard earned dollars here.
It is a poor strategy to hold on to a player that is not contributing just because he is a high choice. We've had players that have been just the opposite- that is they contributed significantly despite being drafted low (or at all). Cribbs and Pontbriand come to mind right away.
Look at what we got for Quinn. That should tell you what his worth was to the team, and to other teams.
This is a win-win-win scenario. For the Browns, Quinn's presence was clearly a distraction for management and the coaching staff. They could not develop their talent with all the disruption caused by the fan base and media. Now they can get to their jobs. For the Broncos, they get a QB with some upside that will play behind their starter (and perhaps compete with him). For Quinn, he gets a fresh start in a good program.
Holmgren had to let hm go. We can focus on football once again. It is a good strategy.
It is a poor strategy to hold on to a player that is not contributing just because he is a high choice. We've had players that have been just the opposite- that is they contributed significantly despite being drafted low (or at all). Cribbs and Pontbriand come to mind right away.
Look at what we got for Quinn. That should tell you what his worth was to the team, and to other teams.
This is a win-win-win scenario. For the Browns, Quinn's presence was clearly a distraction for management and the coaching staff. They could not develop their talent with all the disruption caused by the fan base and media. Now they can get to their jobs. For the Broncos, they get a QB with some upside that will play behind their starter (and perhaps compete with him). For Quinn, he gets a fresh start in a good program.
Holmgren had to let hm go. We can focus on football once again. It is a good strategy.
I am not disagreeing with you, but perhaps rather than having a fire sale for our top draft picks we should get something of value for them. See the article below that seems to agree with me. And how is Jake Delhomme an upgrade to Quinn? The Panthers paid him $12M next year to NOT show up at camp and we were willing to give him another $7M on top of that to lead our team. Sorry that is not strategic, that is saying let start over, yet again.
From Yahoo.com
Let's quickly review the value given to the Cleveland Browns from the Brady Quinn(notes) experiment: They spent a first round draft pick on him, watched him play about three good games in three years, and then shipped him off to Denver in exchange for three soiled pairs of these socks.
Not good. That's the kind of thing that cripples an organization. It's the kind of thing that makes the Browns the Browns.
Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Brady Quinn was poised to be the next Bernie Kosar, or even Eric Zeier. But the quarterbacks currently on the Browns roster are Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace(notes) and Brett Ratliff(notes). Wallace will be 30 when the season starts and has never proven that he can be a reliable, consistent starter in the NFL. Starting Jake Delhomme(notes) at this point is akin to juggling gasoline-soaked dynamite sticks while standing over a campfire. Ratliff has never thrown an NFL pass.
And there's no room there for Brady Quinn?
The guy wasn't completely without promise. I don't think anyone can look at him and say, "Yes, I am 100 percent certain that Brady Quinn will never be a serviceable NFL quarterback." Maybe 75 percent, but still. He hasn't been a total washout. Given what else they have at quarterback, it's hard for me to believe that Quinn had less value to the organization than Peyton Hillis(notes) and a sixth-round pick.
Maybe the move is less about Quinn himself than it is a symbolic purge of the roster in favor of starting anew. If that's the case, it's certainly understandable, and something I'm sure Browns fans will embrace. Maybe this deal is just a lump that the Browns had to take.
But I don't believe we've heard the last of Brady Quinn. The deal is great news for him, as he'll get a shot in Josh McDaniels' talent-optional offense, where even Kyle Orton(notes) can look good for about half a season. I like his chances of success in Denver better than I like Delhomme's in Cleveland.
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It is a poor strategy to hold on to a player that is not contributing just because he is a high choice. We've had players that have been just the opposite- that is they contributed significantly despite being drafted low (or at all). Cribbs and Pontbriand come to mind right away.
Look at what we got for Quinn. That should tell you what his worth was to the team, and to other teams.
This is a win-win-win scenario. For the Browns, Quinn's presence was clearly a distraction for management and the coaching staff. They could not develop their talent with all the disruption caused by the fan base and media. Now they can get to their jobs. For the Broncos, they get a QB with some upside that will play behind their starter (and perhaps compete with him). For Quinn, he gets a fresh start in a good program.
Holmgren had to let hm go. We can focus on football once again. It is a good strategy.
I am not disagreeing with you, but perhaps rather than having a fire sale for our top draft picks we should get something of value for them. See the article below that seems to agree with me. And how is Jake Delhomme an upgrade to Quinn? The Panthers paid him $12M next year to NOT show up at camp and we were willing to give him another $7M on top of that to lead our team. Sorry that is not strategic, that is saying let start over, yet again.
From Yahoo.com
Let's quickly review the value given to the Cleveland Browns from the Brady Quinn(notes) experiment: They spent a first round draft pick on him, watched him play about three good games in three years, and then shipped him off to Denver in exchange for three soiled pairs of these socks.
Not good. That's the kind of thing that cripples an organization. It's the kind of thing that makes the Browns the Browns.
Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Brady Quinn was poised to be the next Bernie Kosar, or even Eric Zeier. But the quarterbacks currently on the Browns roster are Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace(notes) and Brett Ratliff(notes). Wallace will be 30 when the season starts and has never proven that he can be a reliable, consistent starter in the NFL. Starting Jake Delhomme(notes) at this point is akin to juggling gasoline-soaked dynamite sticks while standing over a campfire. Ratliff has never thrown an NFL pass.
And there's no room there for Brady Quinn?
The guy wasn't completely without promise. I don't think anyone can look at him and say, "Yes, I am 100 percent certain that Brady Quinn will never be a serviceable NFL quarterback." Maybe 75 percent, but still. He hasn't been a total washout. Given what else they have at quarterback, it's hard for me to believe that Quinn had less value to the organization than Peyton Hillis(notes) and a sixth-round pick.
Maybe the move is less about Quinn himself than it is a symbolic purge of the roster in favor of starting anew. If that's the case, it's certainly understandable, and something I'm sure Browns fans will embrace. Maybe this deal is just a lump that the Browns had to take.
But I don't believe we've heard the last of Brady Quinn. The deal is great news for him, as he'll get a shot in Josh McDaniels' talent-optional offense, where even Kyle Orton(notes) can look good for about half a season. I like his chances of success in Denver better than I like Delhomme's in Cleveland.
But I don't believe we've heard the last of Brady Quinn. The deal is great news for him, as he'll get a shot in Josh McDaniels' talent-optional offense, where even Kyle Orton(notes) can look good for about half a season. I like his chances of success in Denver better than I like Delhomme's in Cleveland.
delhomme is just a stop-gap guy with championship experience that hopefully will rub off on the other guys. i think with all the moves that have been made that we'll definitely be drafting a qb. that's not say that it will be the right pick or that the rookie will become our new kosar or sipe, but all things come with a risk. i agree with trading all of our top picks away for some chump change sucks but someone probably knows a little more than you or me about why things were done the way they were.
not saying that what happened to quinn is right but obviously the new FO wanted to go in another direction and they get paid the big bucks so my opinion means squat.
saw on mike and mike this morning that charlie weiss still believes quinn will be a 'great' nfl qb. well mcdaniels just bought into it. seems to me weiss just went 'all-in' with his reputation. let's see what happens.
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That's it!
My pants just got tighter.
LOL!! I remember last year saying how I couldn't wait for this year's draft and it's a little more than a month away. BTW... do you guys think HeckGren have a general idea of what they're going to do with the #7 pick?
LOL!! I remember last year saying how I couldn't wait for this year's draft and it's a little more than a month away. BTW... do you guys think HeckGren have a general idea of what they're going to do with the #7 pick?
They are going to get the front offices picking before us ****faced drunk the night before so we can get Stafford.
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It is a poor strategy to hold on to a player that is not contributing just because he is a high choice. We've had players that have been just the opposite- that is they contributed significantly despite being drafted low (or at all). Cribbs and Pontbriand come to mind right away.
Look at what we got for Quinn. That should tell you what his worth was to the team, and to other teams.
This is a win-win-win scenario. For the Browns, Quinn's presence was clearly a distraction for management and the coaching staff. They could not develop their talent with all the disruption caused by the fan base and media. Now they can get to their jobs. For the Broncos, they get a QB with some upside that will play behind their starter (and perhaps compete with him). For Quinn, he gets a fresh start in a good program.
Holmgren had to let hm go. We can focus on football once again. It is a good strategy.
I am not disagreeing with you, but perhaps rather than having a fire sale for our top draft picks we should get something of value for them. See the article below that seems to agree with me. And how is Jake Delhomme an upgrade to Quinn? The Panthers paid him $12M next year to NOT show up at camp and we were willing to give him another $7M on top of that to lead our team. Sorry that is not strategic, that is saying let start over, yet again.
From Yahoo.com
Let's quickly review the value given to the Cleveland Browns from the Brady Quinn(notes) experiment: They spent a first round draft pick on him, watched him play about three good games in three years, and then shipped him off to Denver in exchange for three soiled pairs of these socks.
Not good. That's the kind of thing that cripples an organization. It's the kind of thing that makes the Browns the Browns.
Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Brady Quinn was poised to be the next Bernie Kosar, or even Eric Zeier. But the quarterbacks currently on the Browns roster are Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace(notes) and Brett Ratliff(notes). Wallace will be 30 when the season starts and has never proven that he can be a reliable, consistent starter in the NFL. Starting Jake Delhomme(notes) at this point is akin to juggling gasoline-soaked dynamite sticks while standing over a campfire. Ratliff has never thrown an NFL pass.
And there's no room there for Brady Quinn?
The guy wasn't completely without promise. I don't think anyone can look at him and say, "Yes, I am 100 percent certain that Brady Quinn will never be a serviceable NFL quarterback." Maybe 75 percent, but still. He hasn't been a total washout. Given what else they have at quarterback, it's hard for me to believe that Quinn had less value to the organization than Peyton Hillis(notes) and a sixth-round pick.
Maybe the move is less about Quinn himself than it is a symbolic purge of the roster in favor of starting anew. If that's the case, it's certainly understandable, and something I'm sure Browns fans will embrace. Maybe this deal is just a lump that the Browns had to take.
But I don't believe we've heard the last of Brady Quinn. The deal is great news for him, as he'll get a shot in Josh McDaniels' talent-optional offense, where even Kyle Orton(notes) can look good for about half a season. I like his chances of success in Denver better than I like Delhomme's in Cleveland.
And there's no room there for Brady Quinn?
There was no room for Quinn. None.
i guarantee that if you went up and down the ranks of the coaching staff, you would not find one guy that would want him on the roster. There is not a coaching staff in the NFL that could pull that off in this town.
Given that, the only question is whether Holmgren maximized what he got for Quinn.
What do you think he could have got for him? The deal that Holmgren got isn't much different than what most around here speculated. Theoretically, Denver could have waited until he got released and not parted with the draft picks (but then they would have been forced to compete).
As for Quinn, he gets to make $700,000 and live in Denver. They say the summers are spectacular there.
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I'm gonna miss those days...
I just figured out Andersons problem. He throws with the wrong hand. He's writing left handed in that picture. No wonder he never knew where the hell the ball was going. If the starts throwing left handed where ever he ends up we need to watch out.
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I was hopeful about Quinn's development, but Mike Holmgren has a history of successfully developing and evaluating QBs. If he thought Quinn wasn't worth the time, then he probably wasn't.
Just because he was at one time a first round draft pick doesn't mean he still has that value today. Sometimes it's better to cut your losses and move on instead of investing more time into something that will most likely fail.
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Wish I was as optimistic. We've seen it all before. At least I won't have to hear all that Quinn/ Anderson static anymore. So there's that.
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