If Rams pass on Sam, Clev looks to swoop
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nmills said:
Our First and Rogers for there first and a thirdId be happy to more up and get Bradford but not at the expense off all our picks
Still a Risk Health wise... Not exactly a No Brainer.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Still a Risk Health wise... Not exactly a No Brainer.Is Holmgren more likely to use all those draft picks, or will he package a couple to make a move? I saw someone on a board say that Holmgren isn't likely to move up for a QB in the top 5. I am not opposed to getting Clausen (I just don't like the idea) if that is what MH thinks we need.
I think many scouts/GMs like Bradford much more than they may let on. Chances Rams actually pass on him is slim.
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Our First and Rogers for there first and a third
Id be happy to move up and get Bradford but not at the expense off all our picks, and then I'd want to start him atleast halfway through the season. So we be paying Delhomme 7 Mill to backup and Bradford what around 10 mill? Thats kinda scary
nmills said:
Our First and Rogers for there first and a thirdId be happy to move up and get Bradford but not at the expense off all our picks, and then I'd want to start him atleast halfway through the season. So we be paying Delhomme 7 Mill to backup and Bradford what around 10 mill? Thats kinda scary
why would anybody do that to get useless Rogers???????????????????????/
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With all the talk about QB's, I hope Mr. Holmgren doesn't forget this team has no pass catching WRs.
Chickenwang said:
With all the talk about QB's, I hope Mr. Holmgren doesn't forget this team has no pass catching WRs.no matter how good the receivers are if the qB (ala Quinn) throws the ball ten years OB it is incomplete
capice.........or stay in denial
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nmills said:
Our First and Rogers for there first and a thirdId be happy to move up and get Bradford but not at the expense off all our picks, and then I'd want to start him atleast halfway through the season. So we be paying Delhomme 7 Mill to backup and Bradford what around 10 mill? Thats kinda scary
why would anybody do that to get useless Rogers???????????????????????/
why would anybody do that to get useless Rogers???????????????????????/
Rogers is far from useless, he's pretty good in our gap control defense but if he played on a defense where they wanted penetration from there DT's he'd be a pro-bowler.
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Chickenwang said:
With all the talk about QB's, I hope Mr. Holmgren doesn't forget this team has no pass catching WRs.no matter how good the receivers are if the qB (ala Quinn) throws the ball ten years OB it is incomplete
capice.........or stay in denial
no matter how good the receivers are if the qB (ala Quinn) throws the ball ten years OB it is incomplete
capice.........or stay in denial
agreed, its funny how teams with great QB's can plug late round WR's in and make them look like all pro's.
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Our First and Rogers for there first and a third
Id be happy to move up and get Bradford but not at the expense off all our picks, and then I'd want to start him atleast halfway through the season. So we be paying Delhomme 7 Mill to backup and Bradford what around 10 mill? Thats kinda scary
nmills said:
Our First and Rogers for there first and a thirdId be happy to move up and get Bradford but not at the expense off all our picks, and then I'd want to start him atleast halfway through the season. So we be paying Delhomme 7 Mill to backup and Bradford what around 10 mill? Thats kinda scary
You are basically saying that Rogers is worth the #9 pick overall?
By the tradition trade value chart...
The #2 overall is worth 2600 points.
The #7 overall is worth 1500 points.
That is a difference of 1100 points, which is the 14th overall.
The 2nd 3rd round draft pick is worth 260 points.
Which is 1360 points. The #9 overall is worth 1350 points.
We would be lucky to get a 3rd round value for Rogers. And, Detroit already had him and traded him to us. What makes you think they would want him back?
It would be MUCH more likely if we would trade the #7 overall, our 2nd rounder, a 5th rounder, and Rogers for the Rams #1 overall.
For Detroit, think Jackson, the #7 overall, our 2nd rounder, for their #2 overall. That makes Jackson roughly worth the #7 2nd round draft pick. Which I doubt we'd be able to get that.
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I dont care about charts and points, they mean nothing. Teams are more worried about spending 60 million dollars on a unproven player than they are about getting chart value for a high draft pick. Getting a proven stud like rogers and a high 1st to pick up that LT to block for stafford sounds like a good deal for a first and 3rd. And the Lions have new coaches and management since trading rogers, so thats irrelevant
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
I dont care about charts and points, they mean nothing. Teams are more worried about spending 60 million dollars on a unproven player than they are about getting chart value for a high draft pick. Getting a proven stud like rogers and a high 1st to pick up that LT to block for stafford sounds like a good deal for a first and 3rd. And the Lions have new coaches and management since trading rogers, so thats irrelevant
nmills said:
I dont care about charts and points, they mean nothing. Teams are more worried about spending 60 million dollars on a unproven player than they are about getting chart value for a high draft pick. Getting a proven stud like rogers and a high 1st to pick up that LT to block for stafford sounds like a good deal for a first and 3rd. And the Lions have new coaches and management since trading rogers, so thats irrelevantThat's why you remain Joe Couch Potato while this chart is used extensively throughout the draft process by teams to try and even things out depending on the pick.
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nmills said:
I dont care about charts and points, they mean nothing. Teams are more worried about spending 60 million dollars on a unproven player than they are about getting chart value for a high draft pick. Getting a proven stud like rogers and a high 1st to pick up that LT to block for stafford sounds like a good deal for a first and 3rd. And the Lions have new coaches and management since trading rogers, so thats irrelevantThat's why you remain Joe Couch Potato while this chart is used extensively throughout the draft process by teams to try and even things out depending on the pick.
That's why you remain Joe Couch Potato while this chart is used extensively throughout the draft process by teams to try and even things out depending on the pick.
I doubt it. At best it might give someone...like us an idea of what it might take, but bottom line, if you want to move up bad enough, you pay the price. If you want to move down bad enough, you price to sell.
I wouldn't put to much stock in the trade chart.....I doubt GMs have had it reduced to wallet size for quick reference.
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I dont see us trading up in the top spots due the $$$$. We are actually in a good spot at #7. We can still get a great top pick at 7 and we dont have to break the bank!!!! If Broakford doesnt fall to us then it wasnt meant to be. I truely believe we can get just as solid of a QB in the 3rd as in the 1st, the only difference will be the name recognition.
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I dont care about charts and points, they mean nothing. Teams are more worried about spending 60 million dollars on a unproven player than they are about getting chart value for a high draft pick. Getting a proven stud like rogers and a high 1st to pick up that LT to block for stafford sounds like a good deal for a first and 3rd. And the Lions have new coaches and management since trading rogers, so thats irrelevant
nmills said:
I dont care about charts and points, they mean nothing. Teams are more worried about spending 60 million dollars on a unproven player than they are about getting chart value for a high draft pick. Getting a proven stud like rogers and a high 1st to pick up that LT to block for stafford sounds like a good deal for a first and 3rd. And the Lions have new coaches and management since trading rogers, so thats irrelevantThere typically are no trades that create as huge a disparity as you are suggesting. The only examples I can think that do this are when a team moves one spot (like the Browns getting a 6th to move back one spot from the Ravens when the Browns took Wimbley and the Ravens took Ngata). If the Browns want to move up to #1 or #2, and use Rogers in the trade, the other team will not also give them a 3rd. If Rogers was worth the #9 overall, someone would have already offered that, and the trade would have already happened.
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That's why you remain Joe Couch Potato while this chart is used extensively throughout the draft process by teams to try and even things out depending on the pick.
I doubt it. At best it might give someone...like us an idea of what it might take, but bottom line, if you want to move up bad enough, you pay the price. If you want to move down bad enough, you price to sell.
I wouldn't put to much stock in the trade chart.....I doubt GMs have had it reduced to wallet size for quick reference.
I doubt it. At best it might give someone...like us an idea of what it might take, but bottom line, if you want to move up bad enough, you pay the price. If you want to move down bad enough, you price to sell.
I wouldn't put to much stock in the trade chart.....I doubt GMs have had it reduced to wallet size for quick reference.
That is true, but the trade chart is still used in almost every circumstance. I will wager my entire credibility as a prognosticator, that the above suggested trade, or one of equal imbalance weighted towards the Browns, will not happen.
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I doubt it. At best it might give someone...like us an idea of what it might take, but bottom line, if you want to move up bad enough, you pay the price. If you want to move down bad enough, you price to sell.
I wouldn't put to much stock in the trade chart.....I doubt GMs have had it reduced to wallet size for quick reference.
That is true, but the trade chart is still used in almost every circumstance. I will wager my entire credibility as a prognosticator, that the above suggested trade, or one of equal imbalance weighted towards the Browns, will not happen.
That is true, but the trade chart is still used in almost every circumstance. I will wager my entire credibility as a prognosticator, that the above suggested trade, or one of equal imbalance weighted towards the Browns, will not happen.
Right- you see it every year. Guys come up with these delusional one sided deals. It costs a ton to move up significantly in the first round. Anybody remember Butchie gave up a second rounder to move up one spot to draft Winslow? The Lions might swap with us, but it would cost our first, and next years first also.
On a more realistic note, the Browns have three third rounders- and moving up into the low second to grab a qb is a distinct possiblility.
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We traded down outta 5 down 12 spots last year and got a 2nd and a couple role players, your probably right we couldn't get there 3rd to but were only asking them to move 5 spots not 12 and they get an elite DT, plus they can get a LT at 7 that there probably targeting in the draft. That would give them instant credibility on both sides of the line, I dont see that as one sided
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I don't think Holmgren is going to spend what it's going to take to move up to the #2 spot. That would be counterproductive to what he's been trying to build. Detroit already has gone after two DT's this offseason, they won't want a third, especially not in a deal for their 2nd round pick and especially not one they previously traded.
I think we'll see some movement in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with those picks, maybe grabbing a late 1st rounder, but I find it unlikely we move up. As was pointed out by the OP's article, to move that far up you really do need another 1st round pick (Seattle has it) and without it, you'd have to mortgage your future.
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