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  • Mr. TM Mr. T

    @kosar_for_president said:

    Wouldn't the bill help you hire though, full time?

    Not sure, but we shall see. MeanwhileI need to get back to work, my mexicans got deported last night.

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    Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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    @mr.-t said:

    Not sure, but we shall see. MeanwhileI need to get back to work, my mexicans got deported last night.

    Just let me know T. I am sure those Mexican's can't process advanced variable print, CASS certify mail, set up PURLS, plan and implement marketing campaigns, run pre-press, run and upkeep every type of digital equipment in their sleep or perform advanced graphic design and design websites.

    Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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    • Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President

      @mr.-t said:

      Not sure, but we shall see. MeanwhileI need to get back to work, my mexicans got deported last night.

      Just let me know T. I am sure those Mexican's can't process advanced variable print, CASS certify mail, set up PURLS, plan and implement marketing campaigns, run pre-press, run and upkeep every type of digital equipment in their sleep or perform advanced graphic design and design websites.

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      Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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      @kosar_for_president said:

      Just let me know T. I am sure those Mexican's can't process advanced variable print, CASS certify mail, set up PURLS, plan and implement marketing campaigns, run pre-press, run and upkeep every type of digital equipment in their sleep or perform advanced graphic design and design websites.

      Well they were working on that, they have been atending the local community college for cheap.

      Head or Gut?
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        @kosar_for_president said:

        Just let me know T. I am sure those Mexican's can't process advanced variable print, CASS certify mail, set up PURLS, plan and implement marketing campaigns, run pre-press, run and upkeep every type of digital equipment in their sleep or perform advanced graphic design and design websites.

        Well they were working on that, they have been atending the local community college for cheap.

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        Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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        @mr.-t said:

        Well they were working on that, they have been atending the local community college for cheap.

        Yea because education always trumps 14 years of work experience.

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          Kosar, since your on vacation right now would you mind taking little O back to Disney for me? He had such a great time the last time he went.

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          Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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          @mr.-t said:

          "Kosar, since your on vacation right now"

          - From Ivory Tower

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            @mr.-t said:

            Well they were working on that, they have been atending the local community college for cheap.

            Yea because education always trumps 14 years of work experience.

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            @kosar_for_president said:

            Yea because education always trumps 14 years of work experience.

            Actually an eager 22 year old with a degree at 22K trumps a 48 year old rustbucket making 50K.

            Sad but true.

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              @kosar_for_president said:

              Yea because education always trumps 14 years of work experience.

              Actually an eager 22 year old with a degree at 22K trumps a 48 year old rustbucket making 50K.

              Sad but true.

              WSS

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              Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by Kosar_For_President
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              @westside-steve said:

              Actually an eager 22 year old with a degree at 22K trumps a 48 year old rustbucket making 50K.

              Sad but true.

              WSS

              It depends on the industry. Especially those that live and die by mistakes.

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                H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                Yes, depends on the job. But Steve has a point, especially because the 22-year-old doesn't get the same type of benefits that the older guy used to get.

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                  DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                  Getting old SUCKS. But the only alternative is death, so--------------------------------.

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                    Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by Mr. T
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                    Profits will supersede, when it all boils down, so will we see more factories close up and go to foreign countries?

                    The progressives are not done yet, this is just one step of legislation/programs to be forced be upon the american people against their will.

                    At the present time, we have seen how progressive politicians will employ their own ideology over practicality.

                    In the next few months we will see Cap n Tax, Immigration reform, Gun control. The progressives twisted the arms of all of those in the democratic party to get HC reform passed. All you had to do is look at the face of Stupak as he sold out America, and how he sold out his vote along with the supposed other pro life democrats to see what is going on here.

                    So Heck is following his marching orders and showing everyone all of the Free Candy that we will be getting! Hoping to sway public opibion into excepting that the will of the people was not met.

                    And you want to know how this will effect jobs? Just wait they are not done yet. And how long will it be before we are enslaved to the government to pay nothing more than Higher taxes while the jobs will be leaving.

                    So lets here more about all the free candy!!!!!!! And while your at it tells us how will it be paid for. May I remind you this is a 1 Trillion dollar spending law!

                    Head or Gut?
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                      ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                      It's a farce dude....most of the people making in the higher end don't pay that much now.

                      In time employers are going to figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine then it is to offer insurance....so the top end earners....88K a year will be paying much more for insurance.

                      Sorry....88K is shit for a family of 4 and in no way is it in what I consider the elite class.

                      You people make me sick.

                      You need to set your sights higher then a measly 88K per year household income.

                      A person making minimum wage and working 50 hours a week make nearly half the 44k figure.

                      This is the fleecing of the middle class by the FREELOADER class.

                      It is also going to encourage even more freeloaders. Once people figure out if they make more and have to pay more, the morons are going to sit on their ass.. Subsidized housing and foodstamps prove that...if people start getting close to making too much money, they quit long enough to keep the freebies coming in.

                      As long as the Dems give stuff to the morons of the country, you'll stay in control a long, long time.

                      So what's your interest in the game....are you young and dumb or are you getting something??

                      If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                        ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                        Also....what about the breeder families...5-6-7 kids...what the hell are they going to have to pay. There has to be some scale taking them in to account.

                        I am sure at some point we will actually pay some class of individual a bonus check for signing up.

                        But...the good news is state after state is lining up against this croc of crap....at some point there will be enough who don't care what the government or supreme court may say....they aren't going to listen, then it is game on.

                        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                          It's a farce dude....most of the people making in the higher end don't pay that much now.

                          In time employers are going to figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine then it is to offer insurance....so the top end earners....88K a year will be paying much more for insurance.

                          Sorry....88K is shit for a family of 4 and in no way is it in what I consider the elite class.

                          You people make me sick.

                          You need to set your sights higher then a measly 88K per year household income.

                          A person making minimum wage and working 50 hours a week make nearly half the 44k figure.

                          This is the fleecing of the middle class by the FREELOADER class.

                          It is also going to encourage even more freeloaders. Once people figure out if they make more and have to pay more, the morons are going to sit on their ass.. Subsidized housing and foodstamps prove that...if people start getting close to making too much money, they quit long enough to keep the freebies coming in.

                          As long as the Dems give stuff to the morons of the country, you'll stay in control a long, long time.

                          So what's your interest in the game....are you young and dumb or are you getting something??

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                          Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by Kosar_For_President
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                          @ballpeen said:

                          In time employers are going to figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine then it is to offer insurance....so the top end earners....88K a year will be paying much more for insurance.

                          BINGO. I just saw my neighbor at Giant Eagle, he is nurse for the Cleveland Clinic. That is exactly what he and some doctors speculated, he foresaw this happening. Even where he works, lol! At the Cleveland Clinic! WHAT????

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                            ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                            Oh, Heck....I know you aren't dumb, and don't know how old you are, nor care.....just keeping it real.....sorry if i insulted you...I am just fired up over this...this is the beginning of the end for this country....we're done.

                            We don't have a smart population as a whole, we don't have enough jobs to support the population, and we have a class of population who has been provided for for so long they can't provide for themself.

                            If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                              Oh, Heck....I know you aren't dumb, and don't know how old you are, nor care.....just keeping it real.....sorry if i insulted you...I am just fired up over this...this is the beginning of the end for this country....we're done.

                              We don't have a smart population as a whole, we don't have enough jobs to support the population, and we have a class of population who has been provided for for so long they can't provide for themself.

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                              Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by Kosar_For_President
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                              @ballpeen said:

                              Oh, Heck....I know you aren't dumb, and don't know how old you are, nor care.....just keeping it real.....sorry if i insulted you...I am just fired up over this...this is the beginning of the end for this country....we're done.

                              We don't have a smart population as a whole, we don't have enough jobs to support the population, and we have a class of population who has been provided for for so long they can't provide for themself.

                              I really think this discussion has been somewhat civil today. I think that people on both sides are confused and concerned. I think Heck has been taking it in strides and for the most part everyone else has been giving some good input without throwing the Obama is a Retard card out there. And I am sure Heck will agree, all opinions are good because it gets to root of the matter. It's when individuals throw the "me not like Obama card" and don't speak there mind on the issue. It's done and voted on, let's get over it and discuss the issue at hand.

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                              • Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President

                                @ballpeen said:

                                In time employers are going to figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine then it is to offer insurance....so the top end earners....88K a year will be paying much more for insurance.

                                BINGO. I just saw my neighbor at Giant Eagle, he is nurse for the Cleveland Clinic. That is exactly what he and some doctors speculated, he foresaw this happening. Even where he works, lol! At the Cleveland Clinic! WHAT????

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                                ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                                @kosar_for_president said:

                                BINGO. I just saw my neighbor at Giant Eagle, he is nurse for the Cleveland Clinic. That is exactly what he and some doctors speculated, he foresaw this happening. Even where he works, lol! At the Cleveland Clinic! WHAT????

                                It's why the fine is so low. In short order everybody is going to have to be on the plan so the people making a modest living of 40-50K can support the masses.

                                250K isn't exorbitant IMO...and they get hit with another 3.8% just so the slugs down the road can be insured while they watch Oprah during the day.

                                You get the insurers out of the mix, then the government can set fees that MDs charge.

                                20 years from now we won't have nearly as many MDs in this country...the work won't be worth the pay.

                                If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                • Mr. TM Mr. T

                                  Profits will supersede, when it all boils down, so will we see more factories close up and go to foreign countries?

                                  The progressives are not done yet, this is just one step of legislation/programs to be forced be upon the american people against their will.

                                  At the present time, we have seen how progressive politicians will employ their own ideology over practicality.

                                  In the next few months we will see Cap n Tax, Immigration reform, Gun control. The progressives twisted the arms of all of those in the democratic party to get HC reform passed. All you had to do is look at the face of Stupak as he sold out America, and how he sold out his vote along with the supposed other pro life democrats to see what is going on here.

                                  So Heck is following his marching orders and showing everyone all of the Free Candy that we will be getting! Hoping to sway public opibion into excepting that the will of the people was not met.

                                  And you want to know how this will effect jobs? Just wait they are not done yet. And how long will it be before we are enslaved to the government to pay nothing more than Higher taxes while the jobs will be leaving.

                                  So lets here more about all the free candy!!!!!!! And while your at it tells us how will it be paid for. May I remind you this is a 1 Trillion dollar spending law!

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                                  Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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                                  @mr.-t said:

                                  At the present time, we have seen how progressive politicians will employ their own ideology over practicality.

                                  I actually love this comment.

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                                  • Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President

                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    Actually an eager 22 year old with a degree at 22K trumps a 48 year old rustbucket making 50K.

                                    Sad but true.

                                    WSS

                                    It depends on the industry. Especially those that live and die by mistakes.

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                                    W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                                    @kosar_for_president said:

                                    It depends on the industry. Especially those that live and die by mistakes.

                                    Sure I suppose so.

                                    Often middle agers are set in their ways.

                                    And often not as eager to put in a 14 hour day.

                                    Or as willing to learn the new systems.

                                    Or as hip to the latest technology.

                                    Or as willing to serve a 35 year old manager.

                                    Or work for a 24 year olds pay.

                                    And more apt to get sick and cost the company money.

                                    But of course there are places you wouldn't want a newcomer.

                                    But you see a lotof fiftysomethings looking for positions.

                                    I've been fortunate but it isn't gonna last forever.

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                                      @kosar_for_president said:

                                      BINGO. I just saw my neighbor at Giant Eagle, he is nurse for the Cleveland Clinic. That is exactly what he and some doctors speculated, he foresaw this happening. Even where he works, lol! At the Cleveland Clinic! WHAT????

                                      It's why the fine is so low. In short order everybody is going to have to be on the plan so the people making a modest living of 40-50K can support the masses.

                                      250K isn't exorbitant IMO...and they get hit with another 3.8% just so the slugs down the road can be insured while they watch Oprah during the day.

                                      You get the insurers out of the mix, then the government can set fees that MDs charge.

                                      20 years from now we won't have nearly as many MDs in this country...the work won't be worth the pay.

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                                      Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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                                      @ballpeen said:

                                      You get the insurers out of the mix, then the government can set fees that MDs charge.

                                      You know this sort of screws doctors, in a general sense. Ok people say doctors are not going to take it and up and move shop. Where the f*ck are they going to practice? India?

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                                        @kosar_for_president said:

                                        It depends on the industry. Especially those that live and die by mistakes.

                                        Sure I suppose so.

                                        Often middle agers are set in their ways.

                                        And often not as eager to put in a 14 hour day.

                                        Or as willing to learn the new systems.

                                        Or as hip to the latest technology.

                                        Or as willing to serve a 35 year old manager.

                                        Or work for a 24 year olds pay.

                                        And more apt to get sick and cost the company money.

                                        But of course there are places you wouldn't want a newcomer.

                                        But you see a lotof fiftysomethings looking for positions.

                                        I've been fortunate but it isn't gonna last forever.

                                        WSS

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                                        Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by Kosar_For_President
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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        And more apt to get sick and cost the company money.

                                        Trust me I see some law suits coming on this.

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                                          @ballpeen said:

                                          You get the insurers out of the mix, then the government can set fees that MDs charge.

                                          You know this sort of screws doctors, in a general sense. Ok people say doctors are not going to take it and up and move shop. Where the f*ck are they going to practice? India?

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                                          ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by ballpeen
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                                          @kosar_for_president said:

                                          You know this sort of screws doctors, in a general sense. Ok people say doctors are not going to take it and up and move shop. Where the f*ck are they going to practice? India?

                                          Up and comers won't go in to medicine. Why be the best and brightest, spend 4 years in college, 4 years in medical school, amassing maybe 80K student loans, then spend 4 years as a intern working 80-90 hours a week for minimal pay, then finally get your own practice at age 31-32 to make 70K a year??

                                          Only a dummy would do that. MD's might be kind of goofy in the social sense, but they aren't stupid. If they can get through med school and the rigors of training, they can find other ways to make modest pay at far less cost....cost in many ways.

                                          If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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