The health care bill explained
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It's also a bit entertaining, since it seems many of you in here are on, or have recently been on, or would like to be some form of government assistance. Some have even received government-run health care.
But don't let that stop you. Lousy freeloaders.
It's also a bit entertaining, since it seems many of you in here are on, or have recently been on, or would like to be some form of government assistance. Some have even received government-run health care.
But don't let that stop you. Lousy freeloaders.
Wow. OK. Now you wish to limit freedom of speech? I can't say anything bad about the government because, after many years of paying payroll taxes, I am getting some of it back through unemployment. Typical liberal reasoning.
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Um, you're missing the point. Completely. I'm not against you collecting unemployment. You can go back and find me arguing for an extension of unemployment benefits just a week ago. I want you to get an unemployment check right now.
The point was that we've heard from so many in here about how health care reform is socialism, or welfare for people who take advantage of the system, or that it encourages laziness, takes from the productive and gives to those who don't work, and that government programs ruin everything -- the "lousy freeloaders" argument. But the more I talk to you guys, one after another steps up and admits that you're on the same sort of government assistance and using the same type of government programs that you just got done railing against. I find it a tad bizarre.
Of course, when you take advantage of these programs "you paid into them." Joe the Plumber also made this argument. And it's true - you do pay into them. And you have a right to take advantage of them. That's what they're designed to do.
But everyone who works pays into the system. Unless you imagine that there's a whole swatch of Americans who simply never work, everyone else could be making the same argument you're making. The laziest grifter in the world could make this argument because he once worked at Kenny Shoes for a couple years. And yet we still hear the refrain that it's the people who won't work that get all the benefits. It's simply a canard.
It's mostly people just like you. It's people who want to work, but can't find it.
As for you suggesting I'm attacking your freedom of speech rights ...huh? Nowhere in here do I claim anything remotely like that, or suggested that you can't say what you want to say, and that I want the government to strip you of the right to say it. That's ridiculous.
I'm simply disagreeing with you.
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Here's another good graphic for guys like Kosar and John that wanted more specifics about what the bill does for them. Probably more helpful than the LA Times one.
Like here's one for an uninsured, self-employed single guy making $40,000:
Now: He can get subsidized coverage through a new high-risk insurance program until 2014. The premiums for the program will be “established for a standard population,” according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. His out-of-pocket medical costs will be capped at $5,950.
In 2014: He could receive subsidies to help him buy insurance from his state’s health insurance exchange. Based on his current income, he will not spend more than $2,850 on premiums and his out-of-pocket medical expenses will also be capped.
After 2013, insurers cannot charge higher premiums or deny coverage because of a pre-existing medical condition. Plans could be excluded from exchanges for unjustified premium increases and they also must spend at least 85 percent of their revenues on medical claims.
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funny steve.... I am self reliant and have funded my companies myself. I was making a point at how the "government" has programs to protect the public like the SEC,FDIC,FBI,FCC,FEC, etc etc that I bet all of you benefit from......
Its not about "taking over" its about oversight and accountability in the largest most unchecked industry in our country that affects EVERYONE and WILL bankrupt our country. The logic is so simple it is simply almost Retarded NOT to do exactly what we are doing....
We pay the most and literally our OVERALL efficiency, quality and costs are poor..... not to mention this is major threat in terms of solvency of our entire budget for EXISTING programs (that you right wingers helped only increase without ANY offsetting income with medicare's expansion.......
the logic is funny really.
T...... seriously YOU VOLUNTEERED for the JOB....... its not like you did not have other options.... your benefits for basically an at will employee for a contractual term that you were paid for Voluntarily grants you respect maybe for some moral purpose but in terms of contribution does not make you more or less than any other citizen who helps contribute to our country....... get over yourself and what you think you are due.
I am happy you like my father accessed VA benefits..... I dont begrudge those benefits it was a job perk that happens to last longer than your AT WILL employment.
seriously you right wingers have totally gone off the cliff.
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Health Care Explained!!! Yikes!!!
I have been informed that our family will be looking into the state run insurance pool soon.
Since the HC bill has passed and to curb costs, my wifes employer is going to be dropping their group health care benefit.
Sounds like these Pukes in DC really fixed the health insurance debacle. .....bastards!
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funny steve.... I am self reliant and have funded my companies myself. I was making a point at how the "government" has programs to protect the public like the SEC,FDIC,FBI,FCC,FEC, etc etc that I bet all of you benefit from......
Its not about "taking over" its about oversight and accountability in the largest most unchecked industry in our country that affects EVERYONE and WILL bankrupt our country. The logic is so simple it is simply almost Retarded NOT to do exactly what we are doing....
We pay the most and literally our OVERALL efficiency, quality and costs are poor..... not to mention this is major threat in terms of solvency of our entire budget for EXISTING programs (that you right wingers helped only increase without ANY offsetting income with medicare's expansion.......
the logic is funny really.
T...... seriously YOU VOLUNTEERED for the JOB....... its not like you did not have other options.... your benefits for basically an at will employee for a contractual term that you were paid for Voluntarily grants you respect maybe for some moral purpose but in terms of contribution does not make you more or less than any other citizen who helps contribute to our country....... get over yourself and what you think you are due.
I am happy you like my father accessed VA benefits..... I dont begrudge those benefits it was a job perk that happens to last longer than your AT WILL employment.
seriously you right wingers have totally gone off the cliff.
T...... seriously YOU VOLUNTEERED for the JOB....... its not like you did not have other options.... your benefits for basically an at will employee for a contractual term that you were paid for Voluntarily grants you respect maybe for some moral purpose but in terms of contribution does not make you more or less than any other citizen who helps contribute to our country....... get over yourself and what you think you are due.
I am happy you like my father accessed VA benefits..... I dont begrudge those benefits it was a job perk that happens to last longer than your AT WILL employment.
seriously you right wingers have totally gone off the cliff.
What the hell are you saying and who the hell are you talking to? ...Dude go take your meds.
For starters, I never said crap about VA benefits, or VA hospitals.
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T...... seriously YOU VOLUNTEERED for the JOB....... its not like you did not have other options.... your benefits for basically an at will employee for a contractual term that you were paid for Voluntarily grants you respect maybe for some moral purpose but in terms of contribution does not make you more or less than any other citizen who helps contribute to our country....... get over yourself and what you think you are due.
I am happy you like my father accessed VA benefits..... I dont begrudge those benefits it was a job perk that happens to last longer than your AT WILL employment.
seriously you right wingers have totally gone off the cliff.
What the hell are you saying and who the hell are you talking to? ...Dude go take your meds.
For starters, I never said crap about VA benefits, or VA hospitals.
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funny steve.... I am self reliant and have funded my companies myself. I was making a point at how the "government" has programs to protect the public like the SEC,FDIC,FBI,FCC,FEC, etc etc that I bet all of you benefit from......
Its not about "taking over" its about oversight and accountability in the largest most unchecked industry in our country that affects EVERYONE and WILL bankrupt our country. The logic is so simple it is simply almost Retarded NOT to do exactly what we are doing....
We pay the most and literally our OVERALL efficiency, quality and costs are poor..... not to mention this is major threat in terms of solvency of our entire budget for EXISTING programs (that you right wingers helped only increase without ANY offsetting income with medicare's expansion.......
the logic is funny really.
T...... seriously YOU VOLUNTEERED for the JOB....... its not like you did not have other options.... your benefits for basically an at will employee for a contractual term that you were paid for Voluntarily grants you respect maybe for some moral purpose but in terms of contribution does not make you more or less than any other citizen who helps contribute to our country....... get over yourself and what you think you are due.
I am happy you like my father accessed VA benefits..... I dont begrudge those benefits it was a job perk that happens to last longer than your AT WILL employment.
seriously you right wingers have totally gone off the cliff.
funny steve.... I am self reliant and have funded my companies myself. I was making a point at how the "government" has programs to protect the public like the SEC,FDIC,FBI,FCC,FEC, etc etc that I bet all of you benefit from......
True enough Sev.
Thiose werent'the examples you used. I use the Post Office from time to time as well, and they're broke AND they suck.
My beef with the bill is that I don't think the penalty for non compliance is stiff enough. And that I don't trust politicians to fairly cut costs.
And while we all agree that costs will most likely be substantial;ly higher than projected I fear they'll be monstrously higher. But that's just a cautionary fear.
And it's a disgrace to not have real tort reform.
Its not about "taking over" its about oversight and accountability in the largest most unchecked industry in our country that affects EVERYONE and WILL bankrupt our country. The logic is so simple it is simply almost Retarded NOT to do exactly what we are doing....
No more Retarded than to not notice other similarly well intentioned government programs at the brink of bankruptcy. Or trusting politicians to regulate.
We pay the most and literally our OVERALL efficiency, quality and costs are poor..... not to mention this is major threat in terms of solvency of our entire budget for EXISTING programs (that you right wingers helped only increase without ANY offsetting income with medicare's expansion.......
the logic is funny really.
Funny as you railing against it now?
T...... seriously YOU VOLUNTEERED for the JOB....... its not like you did not have other options.... your benefits for basically an at will employee for a contractual term that you were paid for Voluntarily grants you respect maybe for some moral purpose but in terms of contribution does not make you more or less than any other citizen who helps contribute to our country....... get over yourself and what you think you are due.
I am happy you like my father accessed VA benefits..... I dont begrudge those benefits it was a job perk that happens to last longer than your AT WILL employment.
seriously you right wingers have totally gone off the cliff.
I'll leave the VA bashing or praising to th vets.
WSS
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Steve the post office is an interesting study.... one historical and how important at one time they were operationally to the U.S. times have changed however........
As for me railing against the medicare expansion... you should look up my history on Bush tax cuts in the face of expanding costs and especially that medicare expansion..... that is by far not a new subject for me.
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Steve the post office is an interesting study.... one historical and how important at one time they were operationally to the U.S. times have changed however........
As for me railing against the medicare expansion... you should look up my history on Bush tax cuts in the face of expanding costs and especially that medicare expansion..... that is by far not a new subject for me.
Steve the post office is an interesting study.... one historical and how important at one time they were operationally to the U.S. times have changed however........
As for me railing against the medicare expansion... you should look up my history on Bush tax cuts in the face of expanding costs and especially that medicare expansion..... that is by far not a new subject for me.
Oh I'm aware that you've been anti Bush all along.
Still I truly berlieve that if any Dem had written the free med bill and Bush veto'd it there'd be hell to pay.
But though I like the folks at the Poat Office the service sucks out loud.
Ant there's no need to show a profit.
WSS
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Comparing service in the military to "any ordinary citizen" is horse shit. Sitting in an office all day farting and eating out hardly compares to being on a ship busting your ass 18 hours a day, seven days a week while underway. Or getting shot at and eating MRE's. Voluntary, yes, and you should thank god it's voluntary otherwise your kids might get drafted if enough people didn't have the courage to join.
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