Survey Monday...almost April Fools
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Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
NO
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
NO
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
Aston Villa
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
Butler
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
San Antonio Holmes
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I should be working but instead I am slightly obsessed with understanding if lerner has more heart for Villa or the Browns. I have found out today that Lerner has a TATOO of the Villa crest above his right ankle - can this be true!! WTF! Where is his browns helmet? I am beginning to get creeped out.
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I should be working but instead I am slightly obsessed with understanding if lerner has more heart for Villa or the Browns. I have found out today that Lerner has a TATOO of the Villa crest above his right ankle - can this be true!! WTF! Where is his browns helmet? I am beginning to get creeped out.
I should be working but instead I am slightly obsessed with understanding if lerner has more heart for Villa or the Browns. I have found out today that Lerner has a TATOO of the Villa crest above his right ankle - can this be true!! WTF! Where is his browns helmet? I am beginning to get creeped out.
Looking at that picture, it is easy to see Randy tends to favor soccer. Here in the states, soccer, while gaining in popularity today was a 2nd rate sport back when Randy was a kid.
This isn't to say all the kids who played it were pansy's, but a large portion of those kids were. It doesn't take much to run around a kick a ball once in a while....I can hear randy's mother...."Good job honey, you kicked a ball the other way!"
Yep...soccer was mostly for the frail kids.
In the end, I don't care what he likes best as long as he funds what needs to be done here....and so far he has.
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I should be working but instead I am slightly obsessed with understanding if lerner has more heart for Villa or the Browns. I have found out today that Lerner has a TATOO of the Villa crest above his right ankle - can this be true!! WTF! Where is his browns helmet? I am beginning to get creeped out.
Looking at that picture, it is easy to see Randy tends to favor soccer. Here in the states, soccer, while gaining in popularity today was a 2nd rate sport back when Randy was a kid.
This isn't to say all the kids who played it were pansy's, but a large portion of those kids were. It doesn't take much to run around a kick a ball once in a while....I can hear randy's mother...."Good job honey, you kicked a ball the other way!"
Yep...soccer was mostly for the frail kids.
In the end, I don't care what he likes best as long as he funds what needs to be done here....and so far he has.
Looking at that picture, it is easy to see Randy tends to favor soccer. Here in the states, soccer, while gaining in popularity today was a 2nd rate sport back when Randy was a kid.
This isn't to say all the kids who played it were pansy's, but a large portion of those kids were. It doesn't take much to run around a kick a ball once in a while....I can hear randy's mother...."Good job honey, you kicked a ball the other way!"
Yep...soccer was mostly for the frail kids.
In the end, I don't care what he likes best as long as he funds what needs to be done here....and so far he has.
I hear you Ballpeen. But he is pumping in a lot of cash over here. around $280M. How much is the guy worth? some reports say $800M?? And he won't be making money on that. That's a big hole if so. If the guy gets a tattoo of Villa on his damned ankle he looks like he is in it for the long run. If he goes broke on us would there be a queue up Alfred Lerner Way waiting to fund us?
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Looking at that picture, it is easy to see Randy tends to favor soccer. Here in the states, soccer, while gaining in popularity today was a 2nd rate sport back when Randy was a kid.
This isn't to say all the kids who played it were pansy's, but a large portion of those kids were. It doesn't take much to run around a kick a ball once in a while....I can hear randy's mother...."Good job honey, you kicked a ball the other way!"
Yep...soccer was mostly for the frail kids.
In the end, I don't care what he likes best as long as he funds what needs to be done here....and so far he has.
I hear you Ballpeen. But he is pumping in a lot of cash over here. around $280M. How much is the guy worth? some reports say $800M?? And he won't be making money on that. That's a big hole if so. If the guy gets a tattoo of Villa on his damned ankle he looks like he is in it for the long run. If he goes broke on us would there be a queue up Alfred Lerner Way waiting to fund us?
I hear you Ballpeen. But he is pumping in a lot of cash over here. around $280M. How much is the guy worth? some reports say $800M?? And he won't be making money on that. That's a big hole if so. If the guy gets a tattoo of Villa on his damned ankle he looks like he is in it for the long run. If he goes broke on us would there be a queue up Alfred Lerner Way waiting to fund us?
If Randy did get to the point of putting his team up for sale, I believe that there would be a plethora of potential buyers.
However, none locally with the wealth of the Lerner's. Here is Forbe's list of the wealthiest people in Ohio:
188 Leslie Wexner 69 3.1 United States United States , OH , Columbus
366 Carl Lindner Jr & family 85 1.8 United States United States , OH , Cincinnati
366 Clayton Mathile 64 1.8 United States United States , OH , Dayton
437 Richard Farmer 70 1.5 United States United States , OH , Cincinnati
488 Nancy Lerner Beck 44 1.4 United States United States , OH , Cleveland
488 Norma Lerner 69 1.4 United States United States , OH , Cleveland
488 Randolph Lerner 42 1.4 United States United States , OH , Cleveland
This was as of 2005. Don't know about currently. The first number behind the person is their age. The second number is their worth in billions. Adding the Lerner's altogether makes them the wealthiest family in Ohio by a pretty wide margin.
Howie mentioned that he thought Randy is now worth "only" 800 million. I don't know where he may have lost 600 million bucks, unless this dowturn really affected him that badly. Also note that I believe that the Browns are owned by the ENTIRE family, perhaps in a trust. Thus, his mother and his sister are also co-owners of the Browns, but Randy is completely in charge of them for the family. I don't know if the figures quoted also include the value of the Browns. It should.
It is possible that Randy may be the sole owner of the Aston Villa team and that his mother and sister have no interest in that squad. Recall that Randy inherited the Browns from his Dad, but he bought Aston Villa on his own after his dad died.
That may be a factor in his passion.
But I agree with Ballpeen. As long as he is doing what he needs to do to financially support the team, I could care less about his passion. Hiring Holmgren to run things and to be the face of the franchise was a good thing from the standpoint of putting the franchise in the hands of competent management. I would rather have a smart owner than a passionate one. We had a passionate one here with the initials AM. He weren't so smart. It has taken about 8 years for Randy to perhaps wise up as well.
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Here is a link to the Wealthiest 400 Americans. This is more current. It is as of September 2009. I wonder how many sports owners are on this list:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/54/rich-l...icans_Rank.html
Though it is possible that I may have missed some because I don't necessarily know every owner of every franchise in the 4 major sports, the only Sports owners I see here in the top 150 are:
Paul Allen #17, owner of the Seahawks and Trailblazers
Richard DeVos #61, owner of the Orlando Magic
Mark Cuban tied for #139, owner of the Dallas Mavericks
The Glazer family, tied for #139, owner of the Tampa Bay Bucs (and Manchester United in the UK)
The Charles Dolan family, #141, owner I believe of the Knicks. (this is not to be confused with Indians owner Larry Dolan, though I understand they are related.)
It seems to me that there are mucho rich people that do not have their fingers in sports. So, I think it is possible that many of the people on this list could be potential buyers of sports franchises, should any come up for sale. I mean, Michael Jordan just bought controlling interest in the Charlotte Bobcats. He is a piker compared to the wealth of all these people.
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Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
Faaack no.
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
Faaack no.
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
Faaaack no.
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
A Ohio State. B Somebody else.
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Tiger Woods.
WSS
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Also, note on here that Randy Lerner ONLY comes in at #396 of the most wealthy Americans, tied with his mother and sister.
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Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
NO
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
Yes
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
Your Owner Cares
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
WVU
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Big Ben (sad but True)
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1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
Can't be any worse
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
Ahhhhh NO
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
Sometimes I wonder you never see the guy or hear as much as a peep out of him.
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
Butler and anyone but MSU, Duke or WV
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Im going with zombo on this one Santonio Roethlisberger
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Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
Yes! And even more so after the draft!
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
Hell no!!!!
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
This is a silly question. Who cares, I think he has done his best and cares a lot about having a wiiner in Cleveland!
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
I want West Virginia to win!!! I think Duke will win. And I will be pissed again this year. If they would have lost last weekend I would have been happy with any outcome.
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Wow so many to chose from but I would have to say it is still Maurice Clarrett. Yes I went old school. So much talent coming out of college and he sits in jail still. but close second would go to the late Chris Henry (yes he is dead and I still went there). Lets not forget Plaxico and pac-man too. Heck you could have asked for a top ten here. I bet you were looking for me to name one of the Steelers. It's sad that they are only in the top 5-10. They are still fools!!!!
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Browns57. A note. No, I was not looking for a Steeler. I did not choose a Steeler in my own answers.
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1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
Hugh upgrade
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
not unless there trading for Peyton Manning
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
I think he likes the sport of soccer more, but clearly he's not holding out on the Browns
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
Butler.......Michigan State
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Mike Tyson
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Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Here is this week's survey:
1. Do you think that the Browns are more talented now at QB with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace than they were with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson?
Extremely. Both QBs surpass the latter.
2. Do you think the Browns should use that #7 overall pick on a Quarterback?
No (unless Bradford is somehow there). Get Eric Berry. Get McCoy or Tebow in the second or third.
3. Do you think that Randy Lerner cares more about his Cleveland Browns football team or his Aston Villa ?? (just what are they....Lions? Acorns?) soccer team?
Aston Villa. I dont see how. My life priorities go 1. Browns 2. Family 3. School
4. The Final Four is now set: Duke, Michigan State, Butler, West Virginia. Two part question: Who do you want to win it all? Who do you think will win it all?
I want Butler. I think Michigan St.
5. In honor of this coming Thursdays date, tell us who you think is the Biggest Fool in sports?
Ben Rapelisberger or Tiger Woods...he sure fooled me
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In checking out that website, here is where the NFL owners rank amongst the top 400 wealthiest Americans:
#17 Paul Allen Seahawks owner
#110 Stephan Ross, Dolphins owner
#196 Jerry Jones, Cowboys owner
#230 Steve Biscotti, Ravens owner
#236 Robert Kraft, Patriots owner
#317 Arthur Blank, Falcons owner
#326 Bob NcNair, Texans owner
#347 tie Jim Irsay, Colts owner
#347 tie Dan Snyder, Redskins owner
#347 tie Alex Spanos, Chargers owner
#394 Jeffrey Lurie, Eagles owner
#396 tie Randy Lerner, Browns owner
#396 tie Glazer family, Bucs owners
Members of the Tisch family were on the list, but Steve Tisch, Giants half owner was not.
Eddie DeBartolo was on the list, but his sister Denise DeBartolo York, now owner of the 49ers was not.
Members of the Hunt family appeared on the list, but not any of the Lamar Hunt children who now own the Chiefs
It is possible that I may have missed somebody on a list of 400 people, but the following were NOT amongst the Top 400 wealthiest Americans listed: Bill Bidwill, Cardinals owner; Ralph Wilson, Bills owner; Jerry Richardson, Panthers owner; Virginia McCaskey, Bears owner; Mike Brown, Bengals owner; Pat Bowlen, Broncos owner; William Clay Ford, Lions owner; Wayne Weaver, Jags owner; the aforementioned Clark Hunt, Chiefs owner; Zygi Wilf, Vikings owner; Tom Benson, Saints owner; Robert Woody Johnson, Jets owner; Al Davis, Raiders owner; Dan Rooney, Steelers owner; Chip Rosenbloom, Rams owner; Bud Adams, Titans owner, John Mara, half owner of the Giants, nor the aforementioned Denise York, or Steve Tisch.
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Here are the NBA owners who make Forbes Top 400 wealthiest Americans:
#17 Paul Allen, Trailblazers owner
#61 Richard DeVos, Magics owner
#117 Stan Kroenke, Nuggets owner (note, also a minority owner of the NFL Rams)
#139 Mark Cuban, Mavs owner
#141 Dolan Family, Knicks owners
#236 Michael Heisly, Grizzlies owner
#317 Herb Simon, Pacers owner
Cavs owner Dan Gilbert did not make the list.
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Finally, I have found these MLB owners amongst these top 400 fatcats:
#97 Thomas Lerner, Nationals owner
#272 Drayton McClane, Astros owner
#277 Mike Ilitch, Tigers owner
#341 George Steinbrenner, Yankees owner
#371 tie Thomas Ricketts, Cubs owner
#371 tie Thomas Hicks, Rangers owner
#395 Arte Moreno, Angels owner
On hockey, note that Kroenke owns the Colorado Avalanche, Hicks owns the Dallas Stars, and Ilitch owns the Redwings.
Also note that Gretsky is still listed as part owner of the Coyotes, and Mario LeMieux as part owner of the Penguins...AND Bernie Kosar is still listed as a part owner of the Florida Panthers. (I wonder is that is accurate)
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And now, hopefully, the final note on all this:
Stan Kroenke also owns the Colorado team of the MLS. I think he owns more teams than anyone in the US. (Nuggets, Avalanche, part of Rams and this soccer team.)
Robert Kraft also owns the MLS New England Revolution in addition to the Patriots.
The Hunt Family owns the MLS Columbus Crew.
The Oakland As and the San Jose MLS team are owned by the same guy, a Lewis Wolff.
And this ultimately begs the question: If Randy Lerner is such a big soccer guy...why doesn't he bring an MLS team to Cleveland? I certainly think it could be supported. He has the wherewithal, both monetarily and know-how wise since he has been running a futbol team in Europe.
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Good question. I know CBS was built to accommodate soccer.
Just use the lower bowl for seating and close off the upper deck so you aren't having to clean the whole stadium....I wonder how many seats are actually in the lower bowl of the stadium??
You would figure maybe 60% are up top, so maybe around 30K. That surely would more than cover any business model.
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