Breaking News: Cleveland Browns Player Shaun Rogers Arrested
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
Since when is someone innocent until proven guilty?Isnt that the basis of the judicial system ?
"The presumption of innocence – being considered innocent unless proven guilty – is a legal right that the accused in criminal trials has in many modern countries. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In case of remaining doubts, the accused is to be acquitted. This presumption is seen to stem from the Latin legal principle that ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies)."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
Isnt that the basis of the judicial system ?
"The presumption of innocence – being considered innocent unless proven guilty – is a legal right that the accused in criminal trials has in many modern countries. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In case of remaining doubts, the accused is to be acquitted. This presumption is seen to stem from the Latin legal principle that ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies)."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
I heard that's how it used to be. Although, as of recent I was under the presumption you are guilty as soon as anyone accuses you of a crime. Even if they didn't even press criminal charges......But hopefully you are right!
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Not great news...Big Rog is gunna get cracked on hard by Bigger Rog (Goodell).
Not good.
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Yes, it's being discussed in the thread with 30 replies.
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Isnt that the basis of the judicial system ?
"The presumption of innocence – being considered innocent unless proven guilty – is a legal right that the accused in criminal trials has in many modern countries. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In case of remaining doubts, the accused is to be acquitted. This presumption is seen to stem from the Latin legal principle that ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies)."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
I heard that's how it used to be. Although, as of recent I was under the presumption you are guilty as soon as anyone accuses you of a crime. Even if they didn't even press criminal charges......But hopefully you are right!
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Although, as of recent I was under the presumption you are guilty as soon as anyone accuses you of a crime. Even if they didn't even press criminal chargesNothings changed
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Isn't possession of a loaded firearm at an airport a felony?
Yes....what I am unclear about is this.....did he have it on his person, as in his bag he was checking through for carry on, or was it in his checked luggage?? It makes a big difference.
Both can be serious offenses, but if it was in his checked luggage, it can make a big difference in how zealously the prosecutor goes after the case and how allowing the judge is going to be if a cream puff deal is presented for the courts approval.
If in his carry on, that changes the game and presents a whole different pot of crawdads..
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Why are millionaire athletes so stupid???????????????????????
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Why are millionaire athletes so stupid???????????????????????
Why are millionaire athletes so stupid???????????????????????
The last time I flew I forgot I couldn't carry a plastic bottle of bourbon on the plane and had it confiscated. I just forgot.
I guess if he carries a gun as often as I carry a bottle when I travel, I suppose he could have forgotten too....but then again, I don't know a time you could carry a gun on a plane.....if he did, it may have been in the checked luggage.
But....it has always been strict on having a loaded weapon on planes....even ammo on planes. In some cases you can if it is a special caliber and is stored in approve cannisters. I know when I have carried weapons on a plane I made it a point to declare them and didn't carry ammo.....just his a gun shop when I got to my destination and bought what I was going to use.
What I was going to use, means I was going hunting or a friend and I were going to shoot skeet. Some people do that as a hobby for those unaccustomed to gun sports..
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God dammit I was hoping we could get something for him on the day of the draft....there goes any hope of that happening, and if it does happen we won't be getting something nearly as valuable as we should.
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God dammit I was hoping we could get something for him on the day of the draft....there goes any hope of that happening, and if it does happen we won't be getting something nearly as valuable as we should.
I guess in a way this is better happening prior to draft day as opposed to after.
I wonder how much this will change the draft board, seems to be some decent D-line men in the first couple rounds.
Now we may have to start thinking about drafting a guy to alternate or compete with Rubin.
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Now I don't own a gun, but it seems that you would tend to keep track of things like handguns if you own them especially when going to an airport.
Memo to Shaun Rogers
Things that are ok to forget that you put in your luggage:
Extra set of keys
Your ipod
peanut butter and jelly sandwich
Things that are NOT ok to forget that you put in your luggage:
Dead hookers
crack vials
HANDGUNS!
Now I don't own a gun, but it seems that you would tend to keep track of things like handguns if you own them especially when going to an airport.
Memo to Shaun Rogers
Things that are ok to forget that you put in your luggage:
Extra set of keys
Your ipod
peanut butter and jelly sandwich
Things that are NOT ok to forget that you put in your luggage:
Dead hookers
crack vials
HANDGUNS!
THAT...cracked me up!
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
He was just Going to Hang with Gilbert Arenas ! And come on man... he was in Cleveland (Serial Killer Capitol of the USA) I am packing in C Town as well ha ha ha . You cant blame the guy LOL Thats a joke guys...Just out of curiosity, how do you get that Cleveland is the serial Killer Capitol of the USA? (I ain't saying you're wrong, I ain't saying you're right, just wondering where you got that info)
Just out of curiosity, how do you get that Cleveland is the serial Killer Capitol of the USA? (I ain't saying you're wrong, I ain't saying you're right, just wondering where you got that info)
I Think I said I was joking... If Not I was ...lol
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Well, these f88king idiots with their guns. These guys apparently aren't Man enough to go without their penis extensions.
You would think that this dumbass would have learned from the Plaxico Burris and the Gilbert Arenas situations.
I guess "dumbass" is the right word for him.
I will probably just laugh the day that about 8 or 10 of these guys get into a shootout with each other and blow themselves away.
Well, these f88king idiots with their guns. These guys apparently aren't Man enough to go without their penis extensions.
You would think that this dumbass would have learned from the Plaxico Burris and the Gilbert Arenas situations.
I guess "dumbass" is the right word for him.
I will probably just laugh the day that about 8 or 10 of these guys get into a shootout with each other and blow themselves away.
Overcompensated Overindulgent overconfident with underdeveloped brains. Yet they hypnotize us ... we care. Maybe WE also have problems.
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Ohio Gun / Weapons Laws
Carrying a Concealed Weapon
Although some people are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, the majority of us are not. If you are caught knowingly carrying a deadly weapon or handgun that is concealed on you or concealed within reach you may be charged with this offense.
Typically this offense is a 1st degree misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail and fines of up to $1,000.
However if the weapon is a firearm and it is loaded or has ammunition within reach, the offense is elevated to a 4th degree felony punishable by 6-18 months in prison and up to $5,000 in fines. Likewise if this is not your first concealed weapon charge or if you have been convicted of a violent crime in the past, you will also be charged with a 4th degree felony.
So I guess being a Star NFL player, Rogers will get away with a large fine and some community service, though at least this now gives us more of a reason to trade him away, as I dont think his value will drop that much even with this. I am not sure what if any previous trouble roger has been in, but who in there right mind would attempt to knowingly take a firearm aboard a plane especially these days.
Ohio Gun / Weapons Laws
Carrying a Concealed Weapon
Although some people are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, the majority of us are not. If you are caught knowingly carrying a deadly weapon or handgun that is concealed on you or concealed within reach you may be charged with this offense.
Typically this offense is a 1st degree misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail and fines of up to $1,000.
However if the weapon is a firearm and it is loaded or has ammunition within reach, the offense is elevated to a 4th degree felony punishable by 6-18 months in prison and up to $5,000 in fines. Likewise if this is not your first concealed weapon charge or if you have been convicted of a violent crime in the past, you will also be charged with a 4th degree felony.
So I guess being a Star NFL player, Rogers will get away with a large fine and some community service, though at least this now gives us more of a reason to trade him away, as I dont think his value will drop that much even with this. I am not sure what if any previous trouble roger has been in, but who in there right mind would attempt to knowingly take a firearm aboard a plane especially these days.
Concealed carry or not, you are not allowed to carry a handgun at an airport. This is a third-degree felony.
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Ohio Gun / Weapons Laws
Carrying a Concealed Weapon
Although some people are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, the majority of us are not. If you are caught knowingly carrying a deadly weapon or handgun that is concealed on you or concealed within reach you may be charged with this offense.
Typically this offense is a 1st degree misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail and fines of up to $1,000.
However if the weapon is a firearm and it is loaded or has ammunition within reach, the offense is elevated to a 4th degree felony punishable by 6-18 months in prison and up to $5,000 in fines. Likewise if this is not your first concealed weapon charge or if you have been convicted of a violent crime in the past, you will also be charged with a 4th degree felony.
So I guess being a Star NFL player, Rogers will get away with a large fine and some community service, though at least this now gives us more of a reason to trade him away, as I dont think his value will drop that much even with this. I am not sure what if any previous trouble roger has been in, but who in there right mind would attempt to knowingly take a firearm aboard a plane especially these days.
Concealed carry or not, you are not allowed to carry a handgun at an airport. This is a third-degree felony.
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boom I was right again ..........never wanted that overrated always gassed slug who was useless against the run......................and wanted to trade him for two years and now
he is worth nothing
the curse of savage will take some time to overcome
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Well this is pretty disappointing. A distraction that the team did not need right now. ESPN made sure to post it on April 2nd.
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Well the man made a mistake. Its not like he brought his gun into a locker room and threatened his teammates. Is it a serious offense yes but was he cooperative yes. Will he get off a little easier yes. Is he getting off easy because he is a star, NOOO!!! People make mistakes all the time but we dont prosecute to the fullest extent. He will get a slap on the wrist a fine(because he is rich) and probation. Case closed!!!!!
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I'm sorry to say it like this....but some of you simply don't know the laws, and are talking out your asses.
There's a bunch of regulations, but it perfect legal to fly with a firearm. Obviously, it must be unloaded...so that's his fault. it also depends which bag, but and if he has a ccw.
Otherwise....just shut up or learn what the xxxx you are talking about.
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