Phil Savage- Deadspin.com
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better question: why are our fans so damn immature to send baiting emails? why do they incessantly whine and bitch? why do our fans have such a short memory....about a weeks worth? and furthmore, why dont they show a little class?
think about it......crybabies.
Maybe it's because most fans HAVE NEVER SEEN THE BROWNS WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. Losing year after year, and not even sniffing a Super Bowl kinda makes the fans impatient and surly. Phil is an idiot for even responding to emails from fans, that is what his PR dept. is for. Duh.
Maybe it's because most fans HAVE NEVER SEEN THE BROWNS WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. Losing year after year, and not even sniffing a Super Bowl kinda makes the fans impatient and surly. Phil is an idiot for even responding to emails from fans, that is what his PR dept. is for. Duh.
Then they (fans) should be used to it by now.I mean 40 years + thats' a long enough time to get used to it ...Actually, not winning a Football Championship is starting to get habit forming for the Browns
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better question: why are our fans so damn immature to send baiting emails? why do they incessantly whine and bitch? why do our fans have such a short memory....about a weeks worth? and furthmore, why dont they show a little class?
think about it......crybabies.
better question: why are our fans so damn immature to send baiting emails? why do they incessantly whine and bitch? why do our fans have such a short memory....about a weeks worth? and furthmore, why dont they show a little class?
think about it......crybabies.
Cuz most Browns fans never had any class and never will
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^exactly.....how do you become impatient after 40 years?
most of those bitching weren't even conceived when the browns last won a crown; this is purely based off ancient history about a once storied franchise.
phils getting it from all angles....surely he's frustrated as well based on the response. idiots fans sending these types of emails isn't contructive, and only sends a negative message about the fanbase.
i wouldn't wanna play/work for the browns knowing what i know about us either.....
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I will agree that there will always be a small number of tools in every fan base; however, why would a GM actually respond to an e-mail during a game?
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I will agree that there will always be a small number of tools in every fan base; however, why would a GM actually respond to an e-mail during a game?
I will agree that there will always be a small number of tools in every fan base; however, why would a GM actually respond to an e-mail during a game?
he shouldn't have
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PFW ran this comment from an anonymous NFL source:
“How can you fly off the handle like (Browns GM Phil Savage) did when you are in a position of leadership? You have to have thick skin to let criticism roll off. What does (telling a fan off) say about a person’s ability to lead? Savage might be a good evaluator — but he has failed the Browns as a leader. And I’m not talking about this incident. There has been too much going on behind closed doors for too long. Between the head coach and the GM, it’s still a very dysfunctional organization. I know the (league office) contacted the Browns, but I don’t know if he was fined. I would be surprised if he wasn’t — he left the league with a big black eye.”
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Umm last time i checked we went to the playoffs under Butch Davis.
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@jadbf said:
Here's my problem with Savage in this whole situation, and no it's not that I've lost my confidence in him ONLY because of this e-mail. It's been a slowly developing issue I have seen with him (riffer, I'll say this..I am so glad a certain poster from the other board isn't here, he'd be rubbing this in my face big time).I believe Phil Savage is a very good evaluator of talent. A very good draft expert, and a guy I'd love to have a beer with.
UNFORTUNATELY, this is NOT what a GM of a team should be.
The GM should be the person setting the direction for the franchise, developing the public relations campains that show the fans and the media what that direction is. And the GM should be the one controlling the look, sound and fell of the message that emenates from every person in the organization.
If there's a question about which player is starting this week, which player is being benched, why something happen on the field. The Coach should answer those questions. All other questions should be handled by the GM. If some aspect of a story needs a PR spin, that spin should eminate from the top down, and that is not what seems to be happening.
Let's look at a history.
First you have players like Bentley and others who while I feel they were not treated fairly as far as contracts and getting a chance to play goes, the story you hear from thier camps is that they were not treated fairly. To me that falls on Savage.
Then you have the Winslow debacle. In this instance you have a PR underling sending a text message to Winslow telling him to keep quiet about his staph. A text that should have never been sent. You have those discussions in person with Winslow. And then, when the Sh*T hits the fan, Savage is no where to be found in the early parts of it. It's his job at that point to step forward, take over the message of the "company" and make sure that message is clear.
And then this last mess. Do I love that Savage has some fire in his belly? Do i LOVE that Savage gets sick and tired of the "You can turn this thing around in 2 years" crowd?? Of course I do. But that doesn't excuse such a rookie, rookie, embarrasingly rookie PR mistake as this one.
And that history tells me that While savage strenghts like in evaluating talent, his weaknesses in all the other aspects of being a GM may be bad enough to not make up for that.
And this is a hard realization for me to come to. I believe Savage has had a plan all along to build this team the way he has. There have been bumps and suprises both good and bad along the way, but I think he is building a good framework for this team to be competitive for years to come.
SO no, I will not call for him to be fired. But I can't help but state how disapointed this last year has made me in him. and it has nothign to do with the record on the field.
That was a very insightful post bud! You brought up stuff I wasn't even thinkign about. Nice job! I Started out LOVING the guy for his work ethic and ambition to be good. He's just not seasoned enough for ALL that goes into such a job and with the lack of competance supervising him right now IMO. We gotta be careful not to make this more about a nice guy than being the right fit for our niche in Cleveland. Parcells ain't a NICE guy but look at what he's done to a team that was 1-15 dysfunction 365 days ago. I don't think Parcells could have pulled this off at Savage's age if I really thinkl about it. He needed the wisdom from experience superceeding nice guy, hard work and wanting to be successful.
Some day Savage may evolve into the right GM for an owner that has football as prioriy #1.
- Tom F.
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Without question Phil needs a 'got a moment' discussion with his boss. RAC has not worked out that is without question; but I think Phil can learn from this season and the idiotic blunders and move forward in a positive fashion as a GM
Just my thought
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