Cloward-Piven

Mr. T

@calfoxwc said:
Waiting for a response from Sev or Heck.... waiting for
.

They are in recess for easter break, emails and marching orders will be sent to them soon.

You may find heck on a busload of those who oppose tea parties throwing eggs.

calfoxwc

Still? Progessives on the board have no comment?

Afraid of speaking on the subject?

Can't deny it? don't want to admit it?

It's real, and it certainly looks like exactly what is

happening right now.

"pulleeze, make Cal make it go away !"

Most Americans are now understanding that all of Obama's

violations of his previous promises... has a huge ulterior motive.

Cloward-Piven. Read up about it.

calfoxwc

Reckon the libs can't handle the truth.

Ignoring the truth isn't going to help anything.

Cloward-Piven.

We are in a sub-cultural, destructive takeover

of ... us and our country, our way of life, our economy,

our freedoms....

Truth is, libs can't manufacture ANY kind of rebuttal to

what is really going on.

Mr. T

They dont have time to respond, they are at their Acorn Move On Rallies this weekend.

Mr. T

Cloward-Piven sound like heck's cup of tea, or is that coffee?

VaporTrail

Chill. I've read what you've presented, and I find it really interesting, but the most objective data I've been able to find on it is wikipedia's article, which you've already posted. The rest of the results are from pages with a right-wing agenda, at first glance, anyways. It's better to be thought an idiot, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. If and when I know more about this, I'll let you know how I feel; but when all I see are people that are claiming it's going to be the "end of capitalism," I'm going to have a very hard time taking them seriously.

Mr. T

It is funny how liberals will ignore the facts. Just because it is not presented on CNN or MSNBC they wont believe that radicals have taken over in many aspects of how politicians can get elected. How many times have we heard of community organizations and unions voting in blocks to get their man in office.

And as we speak there are many Acorn workers who have been indicted for voter fraud during the 2008 elections.

Oh say it aint so, make it go away says vt and heck.

calfoxwc

Maybe Heck hath no comment.

Can't spell "Cloward-Piven" ???

Or, is ignoring, because he doesn't

want to deny ALL of reality ?

tjs7

@calfoxwc said:
Waiting for a response from Sev or Heck.... waiting for
"haha that can't be true, haha"

The truth is in the news, all over the place, and in

the actions of the left in Congress and the WH.

We're in big, big trouble.

I've read about this strategy. I don't doubt that it is used by some groups. But where is the evidence that this is used as part of some massive conspiracy by the current Congress and the WH?

From the text above, this strategy was supposed to overload government systems, with the ultimate goal of socialism. I don't see how this worked as advertised. If anything, this strategy underlines the resiliency of the US system of government; the flaws pointed out by overloading the system led to MORE restrictive welfare rules (the 1996 "end to welfare as we know it"), not a breakdown of the system and subsequent socialism.

calfoxwc

That's an excellent reply - it's just that the trends of incredulous overspending,

and the contradictory deletion of 500 billion from Medicare, and the addition of 30 million

customers TO medicare, and the bringing ? on board of illegal aliens into hc and welfare...

and the threatening cap n trade...

Cloward-Piven is more a possible explanation for what is really going on.

Because right now, a lot of what is going on, makes not a bit of sense.

tjs7

@calfoxwc said:
That's an excellent reply - it's just that the trends of incredulous overspending,
and the contradictory deletion of 500 billion from Medicare, and the addition of 30 million

customers TO medicare, and the bringing ? on board of illegal aliens into hc and welfare...

and the threatening cap n trade...

Cloward-Piven is more a possible explanation for what is really going on.

Because right now, a lot of what is going on, makes not a bit of sense.

You are correct that the 30 million newly covered will either be covered by Medicaid, or will be partially covered by subsidies. And part of this money will come from 500 billion in cuts to Medicare. I see this as fiscally responsible. If this were Cloward-Piven in action, I would expect that the 30 million would have been covered without corresponding cuts somewhere else in the govt.

I am not 100% sure, but I think cap and trade has been shelved for now. I think a much more stripped down energy bill is now being considered. I think two things happened; 1. it was recognized that this may not be the best policy when we are just coming out of a severe recession and 2. this is probably not politically feasible even if some wanted to do it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/science/.../26climate.html

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ss...conference.html

As for overspending, I agree that we need to address our debt. But I'm not sure we have gone out of control with our spending, if the extra stimulus money spent in 2009 and 2010 really does end up averting Great Depression II.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downch...r=c&local=s

This graph shows that as a %of GDP, spending is largely constant from 1995-2008. IMO, the reason our debt is out of control is largely due to the two tax cuts passed in 2001 and 2003, as well as reduced revenues due to the worldwide financial crisis, shown in the graph below. We have been deficit spending from approximately 2000-present.

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downcha...r=c&local=s

The only way I see us dealing with the debt is some combination of two things; either letting tax cuts expire in a few years to maintain current levels of spending, or cutting somewhere. The only logical place where we can actually achieve some savings would be in some military reduction. I say this because Medicare and Social Security disbursements are currently completely paid for by FICA taxes, and other services in the budget don't even compare with our defense spending.

calfoxwc

tjs7 -

That's excellent food for thought. I can't even argue with you !

dammit. LOL