Cleveland casino a $600 million investment; expert questions proposed sites
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Well, casinos have been voted in. No sense in further debating. Given that, I really like the idea of turning the Higbee building into the casino! I mean, the building is there. I believe it is empty for the most part, isn't it? Maybe some offices are in it. They would not want it torn down as it is part of the Tower City complex. It certainly seems like it would be more than big enough. You have the mall and the two hotels...the Ritz Carlton and The Sheraton (it is a Sheraton, isn't it?) attached. It would be perfectly integrated into the community with the Rapid also in the same complex. That seems like a winner for the City to me.
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Well, casinos have been voted in. No sense in further debating. Given that, I really like the idea of turning the Higbee building into the casino! I mean, the building is there. I believe it is empty for the most part, isn't it? Maybe some offices are in it. They would not want it torn down as it is part of the Tower City complex. It certainly seems like it would be more than big enough. You have the mall and the two hotels...the Ritz Carlton and The Sheraton (it is a Sheraton, isn't it?) attached. It would be perfectly integrated into the community with the Rapid also in the same complex. That seems like a winner for the City to me.
Well, casinos have been voted in. No sense in further debating. Given that, I really like the idea of turning the Higbee building into the casino! I mean, the building is there. I believe it is empty for the most part, isn't it? Maybe some offices are in it. They would not want it torn down as it is part of the Tower City complex. It certainly seems like it would be more than big enough. You have the mall and the two hotels...the Ritz Carlton and The Sheraton (it is a Sheraton, isn't it?) attached. It would be perfectly integrated into the community with the Rapid also in the same complex. That seems like a winner for the City to me.
It'll be OK for the city but bad for other Ohio destinations that feature leisure activities
I voted no as I don't particulary care to line Gilbert's pockets at the expense of my friends (and me) at the Bay or Thistledown or etc etc
SLots in bars statewide would provide more fair income.
But....
WSS
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Well, casinos have been voted in. No sense in further debating. Given that, I really like the idea of turning the Higbee building into the casino! I mean, the building is there. I believe it is empty for the most part, isn't it? Maybe some offices are in it. They would not want it torn down as it is part of the Tower City complex. It certainly seems like it would be more than big enough. You have the mall and the two hotels...the Ritz Carlton and The Sheraton (it is a Sheraton, isn't it?) attached. It would be perfectly integrated into the community with the Rapid also in the same complex. That seems like a winner for the City to me.
It'll be OK for the city but bad for other Ohio destinations that feature leisure activities
I voted no as I don't particulary care to line Gilbert's pockets at the expense of my friends (and me) at the Bay or Thistledown or etc etc
SLots in bars statewide would provide more fair income.
But....
WSS
It'll be OK for the city but bad for other Ohio destinations that feature leisure activities
I voted no as I don't particulary care to line Gilbert's pockets at the expense of my friends (and me) at the Bay or Thistledown or etc etc
SLots in bars statewide would provide more fair income.
But....
WSS
Well, the concern would be also that it really wouldn't be all that great for the city if they did to the Cleveland casino what other casinos do: make themselves a fortress with no contact with the outside community. Once they get you in there they want to blot out the sun and make you stay in their controlled environment and lose your cash to them. In Biloxi, apparently, they built a casino right on the beach, but then didn't put a single door or window in there facing the ocean.
I know that in Vegas, they closed the pools when it got dark in the summer. It was at dusk or after dark that I generally like to take a visit to the pool of a place I am staying. If I visited Vegas now, I wouldn't want to stay in the hotel/casino. I would stay in my time share. They don't treat you like a prisoner.
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Every bum in the city hangs out at Public Square. I liked to stay at the Renaissance, but quit doing so as it just didn't feel all that safe at night with people sleeping on the sidewalk just outside the door and pan handlers always searching for a buck.
If they select the Higbee building, they need to clean up the streets.
I do like the idea of making it easy to get out and make it a part of the downtown life, but that goes against the grain and not sure it will actually come off that way.
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Every bum in the city hangs out at Public Square. I liked to stay at the Renaissance, but quit doing so as it just didn't feel all that safe at night with people sleeping on the sidewalk just outside the door and pan handlers always searching for a buck.
If they select the Higbee building, they need to clean up the streets.
I do like the idea of making it easy to get out and make it a part of the downtown life, but that goes against the grain and not sure it will actually come off that way.
Every bum in the city hangs out at Public Square. I liked to stay at the Renaissance, but quit doing so as it just didn't feel all that safe at night with people sleeping on the sidewalk just outside the door and pan handlers always searching for a buck.
If they select the Higbee building, they need to clean up the streets.
I do like the idea of making it easy to get out and make it a part of the downtown life, but that goes against the grain and not sure it will actually come off that way.
Where's the Soylent Green when ya need it?
WSS
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Every bum in the city hangs out at Public Square. I liked to stay at the Renaissance, but quit doing so as it just didn't feel all that safe at night with people sleeping on the sidewalk just outside the door and pan handlers always searching for a buck.
If they select the Higbee building, they need to clean up the streets.
I do like the idea of making it easy to get out and make it a part of the downtown life, but that goes against the grain and not sure it will actually come off that way.
Where's the Soylent Green when ya need it?
WSS
Where's the Soylent Green when ya need it?
WSS
LOL!
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I was just in Detroit on Wednesday. I drove up in the morning, called on a Customer (Detroit Diesel) in the afternoon, and finished at the Greektown Casino afterwards. I was envious of the Detroit Redwing fans who started to pour into the casino and surrounding restaurants and bars a few hours before the game. They parked at the Casino's free parking decks, came in and tried their hand a bit, grabbed something to eat and a beverage, caught the people-mover (above ground monarail system) to Joe Louis Arena, watched the game, and probably repeated the same feat on the way out. How fun! ... tonight, even though Ed is accomodating me in a loge for the Cavs game, there isn't much to do besides go down, pay for fairly high parking, grab something at the crowded venues that fill-up only because of the game, and leave dodge afterwards.
For all those who knock Detroit, that is still a very fun city and downtown area to visit. I'd vacation there, I love that city ... the Casino's have added a ton to an already interesting city with history and culture.
I laughed when I first read this story about how the want to integrate the Casino's here into the downtown fabric. I wouldn't have understood that concept had it not been for my trip to Detroit two days ago, and those RedWing fans that had to have an awesome night attending the game when surrounding it with gaming, food, and fun in addition to the game.
Don't think for a second that Gilbert isn't bringing Detroits concept to Cleveland, and remember that Gilbert was a longtime Detroit Piston fan and has mimicked much of the Pistons success into his Cleveland Cavaliers team. With Ford Field (Detroit Lions) and Commerica Park (Detroit Tigers) becoming neighbors with Greektown, MGM Grand, and Motor City, I can see where Gilbert is getting his idea's.
What leads you downtown the most? That's right, sporting events, sprinkle in the casino's and your trips to downtown just tripled and everything you do down there will involve a dash into the "bunkers".
I hope the $600 Mil includes a Hotel on the premises, that's a key too.
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Well, casinos have been voted in. No sense in further debating. Given that, I really like the idea of turning the Higbee building into the casino! I mean, the building is there. I believe it is empty for the most part, isn't it? Maybe some offices are in it. They would not want it torn down as it is part of the Tower City complex. It certainly seems like it would be more than big enough. You have the mall and the two hotels...the Ritz Carlton and The Sheraton (it is a Sheraton, isn't it?) attached. It would be perfectly integrated into the community with the Rapid also in the same complex. That seems like a winner for the City to me.
It'll be OK for the city but bad for other Ohio destinations that feature leisure activities
I voted no as I don't particulary care to line Gilbert's pockets at the expense of my friends (and me) at the Bay or Thistledown or etc etc
SLots in bars statewide would provide more fair income.
But....
WSS
It'll be OK for the city but bad for other Ohio destinations that feature leisure activities
I voted no as I don't particulary care to line Gilbert's pockets at the expense of my friends (and me) at the Bay or Thistledown or etc etc
SLots in bars statewide would provide more fair income.
But....
WSS
I agree Steve, placing a Casino out near the Islands would be a huge draw.
Say you live in the Northwestern suburbs of Detroit and it's July, would you get-away to the U.P, downtown, or head for Ohio-Cedar Point-The Lake Erie Islands-Brand New Casino(s)-Water Parks-Restaurants and more?
What a resort that would make the Port Clinton, Catawba, Marblehead, Sandusky area, not to mention the Islands. The weather is always better in that pocket as well, winter or summer.
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Well, casinos have been voted in. No sense in further debating. Given that, I really like the idea of turning the Higbee building into the casino! I mean, the building is there. I believe it is empty for the most part, isn't it? Maybe some offices are in it. They would not want it torn down as it is part of the Tower City complex. It certainly seems like it would be more than big enough. You have the mall and the two hotels...the Ritz Carlton and The Sheraton (it is a Sheraton, isn't it?) attached. It would be perfectly integrated into the community with the Rapid also in the same complex. That seems like a winner for the City to me.
It'll be OK for the city but bad for other Ohio destinations that feature leisure activities
I voted no as I don't particulary care to line Gilbert's pockets at the expense of my friends (and me) at the Bay or Thistledown or etc etc
SLots in bars statewide would provide more fair income.
But....
WSS
It'll be OK for the city but bad for other Ohio destinations that feature leisure activities
I voted no as I don't particulary care to line Gilbert's pockets at the expense of my friends (and me) at the Bay or Thistledown or etc etc
SLots in bars statewide would provide more fair income.
But....
WSS
I agree Steve, placing a Casino out near the Islands would be a huge draw.
Say you live in the Northwestern suburbs of Detroit and it's July, would you get-away to the U.P, downtown, or head for Ohio-Cedar Point-The Lake Erie Islands-Brand New Casino(s)-Water Parks-Restaurants and more?
What a resort that would make the Port Clinton, Catawba, Marblehead, Sandusky area, not to mention the Islands. The weather is always better in that pocket as well, winter or summer.
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I was just in Detroit on Wednesday. I drove up in the morning, called on a Customer (Detroit Diesel) in the afternoon, and finished at the Greektown Casino afterwards. I was envious of the Detroit Redwing fans who started to pour into the casino and surrounding restaurants and bars a few hours before the game. They parked at the Casino's free parking decks, came in and tried their hand a bit, grabbed something to eat and a beverage, caught the people-mover (above ground monarail system) to Joe Louis Arena, watched the game, and probably repeated the same feat on the way out. How fun! ... tonight, even though Ed is accomodating me in a loge for the Cavs game, there isn't much to do besides go down, pay for fairly high parking, grab something at the crowded venues that fill-up only because of the game, and leave dodge afterwards.
For all those who knock Detroit, that is still a very fun city and downtown area to visit. I'd vacation there, I love that city ... the Casino's have added a ton to an already interesting city with history and culture.
I laughed when I first read this story about how the want to integrate the Casino's here into the downtown fabric. I wouldn't have understood that concept had it not been for my trip to Detroit two days ago, and those RedWing fans that had to have an awesome night attending the game when surrounding it with gaming, food, and fun in addition to the game.
Don't think for a second that Gilbert isn't bringing Detroits concept to Cleveland, and remember that Gilbert was a longtime Detroit Piston fan and has mimicked much of the Pistons success into his Cleveland Cavaliers team. With Ford Field (Detroit Lions) and Commerica Park (Detroit Tigers) becoming neighbors with Greektown, MGM Grand, and Motor City, I can see where Gilbert is getting his idea's.
What leads you downtown the most? That's right, sporting events, sprinkle in the casino's and your trips to downtown just tripled and everything you do down there will involve a dash into the "bunkers".
I hope the $600 Mil includes a Hotel on the premises, that's a key too.
I was just in Detroit on Wednesday. I drove up in the morning, called on a Customer (Detroit Diesel) in the afternoon, and finished at the Greektown Casino afterwards. I was envious of the Detroit Redwing fans who started to pour into the casino and surrounding restaurants and bars a few hours before the game. They parked at the Casino's free parking decks, came in and tried their hand a bit, grabbed something to eat and a beverage, caught the people-mover (above ground monarail system) to Joe Louis Arena, watched the game, and probably repeated the same feat on the way out. How fun! ... tonight, even though Ed is accomodating me in a loge for the Cavs game, there isn't much to do besides go down, pay for fairly high parking, grab something at the crowded venues that fill-up only because of the game, and leave dodge afterwards.
For all those who knock Detroit, that is still a very fun city and downtown area to visit. I'd vacation there, I love that city ... the Casino's have added a ton to an already interesting city with history and culture.
I laughed when I first read this story about how the want to integrate the Casino's here into the downtown fabric. I wouldn't have understood that concept had it not been for my trip to Detroit two days ago, and those RedWing fans that had to have an awesome night attending the game when surrounding it with gaming, food, and fun in addition to the game.
Don't think for a second that Gilbert isn't bringing Detroits concept to Cleveland, and remember that Gilbert was a longtime Detroit Piston fan and has mimicked much of the Pistons success into his Cleveland Cavaliers team. With Ford Field (Detroit Lions) and Commerica Park (Detroit Tigers) becoming neighbors with Greektown, MGM Grand, and Motor City, I can see where Gilbert is getting his idea's.
What leads you downtown the most? That's right, sporting events, sprinkle in the casino's and your trips to downtown just tripled and everything you do down there will involve a dash into the "bunkers".
I hope the $600 Mil includes a Hotel on the premises, that's a key too.
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Just heard on WKYC this morning that the law makers want to do away with 24/7 bar (end drinking at 0200) and free drinks for gamblers in the Casino's. What is with these morons. If you make a 600 million dollar casino, you go all out. Who cares what PA, MI and WV are doing. We should quit being late followers and be innovators.
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