Holmes Trade...Biggest Rip Ever?
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QUOTE (ATENEARS @ Apr 12 2010, 02:21 PM)
Seriously Pittsburgh would have been better served just flat out cutting the guy. They look like idiots by taking the measily 5th round pick.
If you cut the guy, the teams scrambling for his services look like idiots, but now the Jets look like hero's for fleecing the dirtbag franchise.
What a joke of a franchise acting all moral and shit with their retired players dropping dead left and right from locker room performance enhancement drugs.
There are about a dozen ex-Steelers that wish they could not only wake-n-bake, but just wake.
Freaking hyprocrites
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You are truly one of the biggest Dick-weeds I have ever come across. Bitter little Puss. Scoreboard dumb*** in just about every way imaginable. But just keep typing , you look more ridiculous with every stroke of your keyboard. Its Seriously ... pathetic. And save your dumb predictable responses , it will be lame and more of your blaa blaa rhetoric.
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Rorbotron said:
1. Small Market team2. 100 million dollar contract (ego to go with it)
3. Not exactly Brad Pitt in the looks department
4. God like status in Pittsburgh and surrounding areas for that matter.
5. Dumb broads
He needs to keep it in his pants plain and simple. He hasn't and now he will. How exactly is it HARD TO EXPLAIN? Guy can't keep in it his pants. Celebrity status due to his position with one of the most storied franchises in the NFL. Low standards + dick problem = trouble in 9 months. Now unless your intelligence prohibits you from grasping this concept I'm not sure why this is so hard to fathom. And speed with your thank you. You're just as dumb, if not more dumb. You may want to fall back in to obscurity because your contributions since my return are less than stellar. MONEY GRAB. The end.
Dumbass fans that don't want to admit the truth too.
Dumbass fans that don't want to admit the truth too.
The "Truth"is that about 25% of the NFL does the same thing. And Actors , Musicians , Politicians you name the group with cash and a famous face , probably even more. Sad and dumb but THAT is the truth. Some mack on Dumb broads , other ( perhaps Brady Quinn ? ) on Teen aged boys... But This is the world we live in. Doesn't make it right but oh well .You would be shocked at who on the Browns Right now , are out there at the Clubs ,casinos ,and Bars with no morals and lots of opportunity. pull your heads out of the sand.
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Rorbotron said:
A statement for the franchise and all those that reside and those that will soon reside under the Steeler organization. Is it that hard to grasp? They obviously didn't think much of Holmes and were prepared to cut him. The Statement was FOR THE FRANCHISE not Santonio Holmes. You're a genius.They didn't think that much of a guy that won the super bowl for them? Yeah, that make sense. You're a moron, you need to pull your head out of your rear and accept this for what it is, a token attempt at looking like they care. If they wanted to make a statement for "the team" they would do it every time something like this happens. Your team is a bunch of douche bags, just like you idiots who hang out on other teams boards.
They didn't think that much of a guy that won the super bowl for them? Yeah, that make sense. You're a moron, you need to pull your head out of your rear and accept this for what it is, a token attempt at looking like they care. If they wanted to make a statement for "the team" they would do it every time something like this happens. Your team is a bunch of douche bags, just like you idiots who hang out on other teams boards.
"Token" ?? Our BEST Receiver ??? Come on man ... this is a painful move . Period. A Statement needed to be made. Holmes is obviously a regular Pot user . So what could they do ? Ben has never been convicted of anything. Holmes admitted to using in the past and now has tested for the same thing. You`re the idiot. WE have our own boards we frequent , we come here to see what is the topic of our rivals. And guess what, if you didn't always have 3 or 4 threads running wild about Pittsburgh , we would just leave for the most part. You dont want to hear from us ?? Stop being obsessed WITH our Team !! But you wont ...because you`re bitter and jealous ... and blaa blaa Ya I know "your Not" ... whatever, I cant hear what you`re saying because your actions are screaming so loud.
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This is an example of what a players integrity means.
I wonder what Big gay's stock is worth now?
Sucks to be a steelers fan, doesn't it.
This is an example of what a players integrity means.
I wonder what Big gay's stock is worth now?
Sucks to be a steelers fan, doesn't it.
No it doesn't . I dont see our team fading away , and good luck in beating the Steelers even once this year. But keep yapping Ms. T. Twist and SHOUT baby !!
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ya mean like you said we wouldn't beat ya last year?
if you dont see your team fading, your just another delusional dumb-xxxx that willfully ignores reality.....you team is aging and you recent drafts have not been up to par with cowhers. if they were, you wouldn't be bringing back guys that cowher cut for his up and comers...
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Rorbotron said:
Yea seeing as a guy with 100 million dollar contract and women constantly throwing themselves at him needs a reason to force himself on someone. Brilliant assessment. Congratulations.Roboswallow,
Could you be any more limp wristed? It's like you're showing us the shoot all over your chin with every post. Do yourself a favor and try not to be so obvious.
Obviously, you haven't been paying attention - Big Ben ain't getting love. His inability to accept the word no meant some girl just made about 5 million $ for quiet time. Ben-Dover prolly paid 2.5 mil and the Rooneys gladly matched it. And just for a nice diversion, the Rooneys got rid of Holmes to throw off the scent of this epic wrong doing.
Don't worry - Flugel will translate so even simpletons like you will understand what's being written and implied.
- Tom F.
Roboswallow,
Could you be any more limp wristed? It's like you're showing us the shoot all over your chin with every post. Do yourself a favor and try not to be so obvious.
Obviously, you haven't been paying attention - Big Ben ain't getting love. His inability to accept the word no meant some girl just made about 5 million $ for quiet time. Ben-Dover prolly paid 2.5 mil and the Rooneys gladly matched it. And just for a nice diversion, the Rooneys got rid of Holmes to throw off the scent of this epic wrong doing.
Don't worry - Flugel will translate so even simpletons like you will understand what's being written and implied.
- Tom F.
Thanks for playing. I just finished sh.itting more intelligence than your feeble Steeler hating brain has produced all day. What is it with the 4th grad name calling around here? Roboswallow? Yesterday someone called me "squirtbreath" What the hell is a squirtbreath? Do you guys sit your kids down, grab a magnadoodle and work this out together? The Steelers got rid of Holmes because he's been a headache since day one. It's also a lot easier to terminate a receiver with a expiring contract than a Quarterback that just signed a 100 million dollar contract. It's also not cost effective for a franchise to eliminate the backbone of the franchise. All things you readily understand but refuse to acknowledge rationally via this lovely message board because you'd rather ask your 8 year old for a dip sh.it name suggestion. Sooooo congratulations at your more than weak attempt at being funny, cute, witty. All things you clearly aren't. You guys may finish 6-10 this year. Great news. It will probably produce another top 10 selection.
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ya mean like you said we wouldn't beat ya last year?
if you dont see your team fading, your just another delusional dumb-xxxx that willfully ignores reality.....you team is aging and you recent drafts have not been up to par with cowhers. if they were, you wouldn't be bringing back guys that cowher cut for his up and comers...
ya mean like you said we wouldn't beat ya last year?
if you dont see your team fading, your just another delusional dumb-xxxx that willfully ignores reality.....you team is aging and you recent drafts have not been up to par with cowhers. if they were, you wouldn't be bringing back guys that cowher cut for his up and comers...
Come on you were due . You did it and you damn sure aint a "Better Team" So far. I just dont see it this yr. Maybe next. But its just MHO.
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THE ROONEY RULE:
Sell your black-ass Receiver for next to nothing, while bailing out the token francise white boy.
Does Rooney hire slaves to inject HGH into players asses?
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This trade must rank in the top 20 NFL worst trades ever. Anyone agree? Disagree? How do you trade a potential HOFer, recent Super Bowl MVP, great young proven receiver for a petty 5th round pick? Despite his recent troubles, he is still worth a 2nt round pick to the right team.
I LOVE IT!!!!!
This trade must rank in the top 20 NFL worst trades ever. Anyone agree? Disagree? How do you trade a potential HOFer, recent Super Bowl MVP, great young proven receiver for a petty 5th round pick? Despite his recent troubles, he is still worth a 2nt round pick to the right team.
I LOVE IT!!!!!
Potential HOFer? Really? He is a beast, but potential HOFer when it took Art Monk years to get in, and Chris Carter is still trying to get in? I dunno man.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
Both Ben and Holmes never faced a criminal conviction since being drafted by the Steelers. In the court of law they are both life long law biding citizens. Although, Holmes is facing he 2nd league drug violation. The Steelers imposed their own 1 game suspension for the first one and the league will impose a 4 game one for next season. If he gets a 3rd he get atleast a 16 game suspension. Holmes contract is up after next and he was expecting his next contract to give him top 5 wr money. This alone would get Holmes traded or let walk in FA. The Steelers felt the best case scenerio for the Holmes situation was that we get as much as we can as soon as possible in the process of getting rid of him. The Rooney's felt trading him for a 5th round pick was worth it for the team.So? If the Rooney wanted to make a true statement, not a fake one, they would cut Roethlisberger.
So? If the Rooney wanted to make a true statement, not a fake one, they would cut Roethlisberger.
Criminal acusations played NO part in the trading of Holmes. His is inability to follow LEAGUE rules (not laws, becuase according to the US court system he as committed just as many crimes as Ben, which is ZERO) and his demand for an unreasonably high pay led to his trade. The Steelers have always shipped out people who break league rules and never pay unreasonably high salaries.
To cut Ben without him breaking any laws, breaking team or league rules and not demanding an unreasonable contract would be to committ an unlawful termination. No, it doesn't make any type of logical, reasonable or intelligent statement for the Rooney's to break laws.....
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So? If the Rooney wanted to make a true statement, not a fake one, they would cut Roethlisberger.
Criminal acusations played NO part in the trading of Holmes. His is inability to follow LEAGUE rules (not laws, becuase according to the US court system he as committed just as many crimes as Ben, which is ZERO) and his demand for an unreasonably high pay led to his trade. The Steelers have always shipped out people who break league rules and never pay unreasonably high salaries.
To cut Ben without him breaking any laws, breaking team or league rules and not demanding an unreasonable contract would be to committ an unlawful termination. No, it doesn't make any type of logical, reasonable or intelligent statement for the Rooney's to break laws.....
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Criminal acusations played NO part in the trading of Holmes. His is inability to follow LEAGUE rules (not laws, becuase according to the US court system he as committed just as many crimes as Ben, which is ZERO) and his demand for an unreasonably high pay led to his trade. The Steelers have always shipped out people who break league rules and never pay unreasonably high salaries.To cut Ben without him breaking any laws, breaking team or league rules and not demanding an unreasonable contract would be to committ an unlawful termination. No, it doesn't make any type of logical, reasonable or intelligent statement for the Rooney's to break laws.....
Oh really? Then if Ben gets suspended then what?
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QUOTE (ATENEARS @ Apr 12 2010, 02:21 PM)
Seriously Pittsburgh would have been better served just flat out cutting the guy. They look like idiots by taking the measily 5th round pick.
If you cut the guy, the teams scrambling for his services look like idiots, but now the Jets look like hero's for fleecing the dirtbag franchise.
What a joke of a franchise acting all moral and shit with their retired players dropping dead left and right from locker room performance enhancement drugs.
There are about a dozen ex-Steelers that wish they could not only wake-n-bake, but just wake.
Freaking hyprocrites
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You are truly one of the biggest Dick-weeds I have ever come across. Bitter little Puss. Scoreboard dumb*** in just about every way imaginable. But just keep typing , you look more ridiculous with every stroke of your keyboard. Its Seriously ... pathetic. And save your dumb predictable responses , it will be lame and more of your blaa blaa rhetoric.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
QUOTE (ATENEARS @ Apr 12 2010, 02:21 PM)Seriously Pittsburgh would have been better served just flat out cutting the guy. They look like idiots by taking the measily 5th round pick.
If you cut the guy, the teams scrambling for his services look like idiots, but now the Jets look like hero's for fleecing the dirtbag franchise.
What a joke of a franchise acting all moral and shit with their retired players dropping dead left and right from locker room performance enhancement drugs.
There are about a dozen ex-Steelers that wish they could not only wake-n-bake, but just wake.
Freaking hyprocrites
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You are truly one of the biggest Dick-weeds I have ever come across. Bitter little Puss. Scoreboard dumb*** in just about every way imaginable. But just keep typing , you look more ridiculous with every stroke of your keyboard. Its Seriously ... pathetic. And save your dumb predictable responses , it will be lame and more of your blaa blaa rhetoric.
Last offseason a Brown committed a very serious and dangerous crime that directly led to the death of another human. This offseason someone tried walking on a plane with a loaded gun, another very serious and terroristic crime. Just a few seasons ago the Browns willingly started a proven roid user on their O-line......But it's all about the Steelers....."Freaking hyprocrites".....
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Criminal acusations played NO part in the trading of Holmes. His is inability to follow LEAGUE rules (not laws, becuase according to the US court system he as committed just as many crimes as Ben, which is ZERO) and his demand for an unreasonably high pay led to his trade. The Steelers have always shipped out people who break league rules and never pay unreasonably high salaries.To cut Ben without him breaking any laws, breaking team or league rules and not demanding an unreasonable contract would be to committ an unlawful termination. No, it doesn't make any type of logical, reasonable or intelligent statement for the Rooney's to break laws.....
Oh really? Then if Ben gets suspended then what?
Oh really? Then if Ben gets suspended then what?
Then he would send in a complaint to the league and the players association that he is being punished for no reason. If Ben didn't break any team or league rules and the league/team didn't over turn the suspension Ben would be accompanied by the NFLPA in a lawsuit against the league. Do you understand yet?
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Oh really? Then if Ben gets suspended then what?
Then he would send in a complaint to the league and the players association that he is being punished for no reason. If Ben didn't break any team or league rules and the league/team didn't over turn the suspension Ben would be accompanied by the NFLPA in a lawsuit against the league. Do you understand yet?
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Then he would send in a complaint to the league and the players association that he is being punished for no reason. If Ben didn't break any team or league rules and the league/team didn't over turn the suspension Ben would be accompanied by the NFLPA in a lawsuit against the league.He did break the rule, the conduct policy currently goes like this. It states " It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances: Criminal offenses including, but not limited to, those involving: the use or threat of violence; domestic violence and other forms of partner abuse; theft and other property crimes; sex offenses. Apart from any disciplinary action, persons arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to have engaged in conduct prohibited under this policy will be required to undergo a formal clinical evaluation. Based on the results of that evaluation, the person may be encouraged or required to participate in an education program, counseling or other treatment deemed appropriate by health professionals."
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Oh really? Then if Ben gets suspended then what?
Then he would send in a complaint to the league and the players association that he is being punished for no reason. If Ben didn't break any team or league rules and the league/team didn't over turn the suspension Ben would be accompanied by the NFLPA in a lawsuit against the league. Do you understand yet?
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Then he would send in a complaint to the league and the players association that he is being punished for no reason. If Ben didn't break any team or league rules and the league/team didn't over turn the suspension Ben would be accompanied by the NFLPA in a lawsuit against the league.You are wrong. It states that the NFL players are held to higher standards and should respect their higher standing with grace.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
Then he would send in a complaint to the league and the players association that he is being punished for no reason. If Ben didn't break any team or league rules and the league/team didn't over turn the suspension Ben would be accompanied by the NFLPA in a lawsuit against the league.You are wrong. It states that the NFL players are held to higher standards and should respect their higher standing with grace.
You are wrong. It states that the NFL players are held to higher standards and should respect their higher standing with grace.
Since the NFL's rule on suspension is rather vague when not talking about players who committ crimes it would be up to the judge to decide whether or not celebrating your birthday by being under super vision of two body guards and getting drunk falls under that rule. The league almost never punishes a player who didn't committ a crime or didn't complain about refs or other league actions. I'm not saying it isn't allowed, but it's rarely done. One reason is the league has a very specific list of detrimental behavior, if it doesn't specifically fall on the list it's likely becuase it's bordline at best. If it is bordline and not specifically mentioned as punishable it could lead to far to many expensive lawsuits, which would also be detrimental to the league. Goodell is meeting with Ben this week to discuss this incident and Ben's actions in general. If Ben ignores Goodell's advice then at that point a suspension or other punishment would be warranted and most likely handed out.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
You are wrong. It states that the NFL players are held to higher standards and should respect their higher standing with grace.
Since the NFL's rule on suspension is rather vague when not talking about players who committ crimes it would be up to the judge to decide whether or not celebrating your birthday by being under super vision of two body guards and getting drunk falls under that rule. The league almost never punishes a player who didn't committ a crime or didn't complain about refs or other league actions. I'm not saying it isn't allowed, but it's rarely done. One reason is the league has a very specific list of detrimental behavior, if it doesn't specifically fall on the list it's likely becuase it's bordline at best. If it is bordline and not specifically mentioned as punishable it could lead to far to many expensive lawsuits, which would also be detrimental to the league. Goodell is meeting with Ben this week to discuss this incident and Ben's actions in general. If Ben ignores Goodell's advice then at that point a suspension or other punishment would be warranted and most likely handed out.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Since the NFL's rule on suspension is rather vague when not talking about players who committ crimes it would be up to the judge to decide whether or not celebrating your birthday by being under super vision of two body guards and getting drunk falls under that rule. The league almost never punishes a player who didn't committ a crime or didn't complain about refs or other league actions. I'm not saying it isn't allowed, but it's rarely done. One reason is the league has a very specific list of detrimental behavior, if it doesn't specifically fall on the list it's likely becuase it's bordline at best. If it is bordline and not specifically mentioned as punishable it could lead to far to many expensive lawsuits, which would also be detrimental to the league. Goodell is meeting with Ben this week to discuss this incident and Ben's actions in general. If Ben ignores Goodell's advice then at that point a suspension or other punishment would be warranted and most likely handed out.A two or three game suspension would be fair, imo. It's not too harsh, but still discipline Ben's actions. It's fair, but that's just my opinion. Two game suspension, no mas, no less.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
Since the NFL's rule on suspension is rather vague when not talking about players who committ crimes it would be up to the judge to decide whether or not celebrating your birthday by being under super vision of two body guards and getting drunk falls under that rule. The league almost never punishes a player who didn't committ a crime or didn't complain about refs or other league actions. I'm not saying it isn't allowed, but it's rarely done. One reason is the league has a very specific list of detrimental behavior, if it doesn't specifically fall on the list it's likely becuase it's bordline at best. If it is bordline and not specifically mentioned as punishable it could lead to far to many expensive lawsuits, which would also be detrimental to the league. Goodell is meeting with Ben this week to discuss this incident and Ben's actions in general. If Ben ignores Goodell's advice then at that point a suspension or other punishment would be warranted and most likely handed out.A two or three game suspension would be fair, imo. It's not too harsh, but still discipline Ben's actions. It's fair, but that's just my opinion. Two game suspension, no mas, no less.
A two or three game suspension would be fair, imo. It's not too harsh, but still discipline Ben's actions. It's fair, but that's just my opinion. Two game suspension, no mas, no less.
I certianly wouldn't being saying a 2 game suspension is unfair, but I don't think it will happen. Goodell will certianly give Ben some warnings, but I don't think he will get suspended for his first incident. Goodell will also take into consideration that by suspending Ben for his first incident it may give the appearence that Goodell suspened him for the sexual assult charge, not being a drunk idiot. This would make Ben and therefore the l,eague look worse than it really is.
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