SANTONIO HOLMES: Definition of a Steeler

The Gipper

Rorbotron said:
How many people outside of Cleveland when discussing football championships discuss pre superbowl era? Okay, thanks.

Everybody. Only those in Peetown don't, because there would have never been anything to discuss.

The Gipper

JosephSixpack said:
Gip, steroids have been traced to athletics as early as the '30s and '40s. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe in the possibility they'd been tried out by pro athletes in the '50s.
And let's face it -- Mr. Brown fits EXACTLY Flugel's Frankenplayer profile. If he'd worn a Steeler uniform, Flakey would be all over the guy for 'roid use. It's just that he wore the home colors, so Flakey looks the other way. All the while ripping the Rooneys for their "hypocrisy" and "double standards." Cute huh? Yeah, just plain adorable.

Except Jim Brown was a monster, pure and simple, from his high school days to playing in college, and even playing lacrosse, he is generally considered one of the greatest lacrosse players ever. The fact is, your statement is made out of pure conjecture. It would be like saying Wilt Chamberlain was on HGH because he was so much bigger and stronger than anyone else. He wasn't. He was just bigger and stronger than everyone else. Same with JB.

There has been not one shred of evidence that JB had ever done anything but eat his Wheaties. On the other hand, there is a whole slew of evidence that the 70s Steelers Wheaties were laced with a little something extra. Were they the first users of such substance? Almost certainly not. Were other teams doing all sorts of BS? Almost certainly. Remember North Dallas Forty? That movie came out in 1979 and was a kind of fictional account of the Cowboys and other NFL teams.

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:
Everybody. Only those in Peetown don't, because there would have never been anything to discuss.

Everybody? How about no one. I don't know a soul besides possibly a NFL Historian that puts any sort of credence on Championships pre-super bowl era when discussing the current prowess of a NFL franchise.

Flugel

JosephSixpack said:
I beat Flugel like a cheap pinata. Not that it's anything to brag about.

You named your penis after me? And just when I thought Roboswallow wore the heebeegeebee crown - here you come on cue and crack just trumping his ass. You poor basterd - God bless ya!

As for the other nonsense - I just used the Sports Illustrated casket count and the message in the book of former Steeler Steve Courson and punctuated it with check mate! Quickest arguement I've ever been in and you cried right on this very board for everyone to see. Haven't seen you since. I thought you became an ostrich.

Every time you call me out to center ice to drop the gloves - you're never satisfied with your whimpy fight. No-one on the planet outside of 3 rivers BELIEVES your arguement that the 1963 Chargers introduced Russia to steroids and space travel. So why on earth do you want to call me out to have me dig up the Steeler casket count? Or dig up Courson's comments about counterfeit rings and atrocious role models or how much more wide spread the roid abuse was in Pittsburgh than anywhere else according to the former Steeler? It only breaks your heart and has you coming back 12 months later letting me know I've never left your mind. If that's you winning, you haven't convinced yourself yet. When you actually WIN an arguement - you don't have to tell the readers who won. They know.

BTW, how does your new Saints jacket fit? It's still black and gold and the QB is actually a decent human being in New Orleans.

- Tom F.

BUNSofSTEEL08

@the-gipper said:
FYI, Santonio Holmes grew up in Florida.....that a Florida born and bred person would act this way is not surprising. But, the fact is, every town, everywhere has it share of this sort of guy. Pittburgh, Cleveland, Florida, whatever.

Yes I know that ... But he was a teenaged Kid playing for Jimmy Tressel. I am sure Tress TRIED to help him. My point was It wasnt "Pittsburgh" that ruined him. Pittsburgh has ruined many of its own kids. as has Cleveland Youngstown Las Vegas LA SF Omaha and Massillon. Point is AMERICA has issues , the WORLD has issues. Damn our own houses have issues. Let he without Sin cast the 1st stone.

BUNSofSTEEL08

@the-gipper said:
NO, I had heard about the Chargers. OK, so, they were the "pioneers" apparently of steroid experimentation. I guess it had to start somewhere. The conclusion? What the Chargers experimented with, the Steelers apparently perfected. Evolution/Devolution
(and 2 days ago is a long time ago on this board, the subjects come and go so quickly, so, forgetting what may have been posted here by you 6-12-18 months age is no big deal.)

TWIST and SHOUT ... the new name of the Brownsboard.

Flugel

JosephSixpack said:
Gip, steroids have been traced to athletics as early as the '30s and '40s. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe in the possibility they'd been tried out by pro athletes in the '50s.
And let's face it -- Mr. Brown fits EXACTLY Flugel's Frankenplayer profile. If he'd worn a Steeler uniform, Flakey would be all over the guy for 'roid use. It's just that he wore the home colors, so Flakey looks the other way. All the while ripping the Rooneys for their "hypocrisy" and "double standards." Cute huh? Yeah, just plain adorable.

You know what's nice about NFL history? Teams that don't have to hide shit don't have to edit realities like casket counts, rape, assalts, excessive HGH purchases on the staff.

When you keep coming back here - I get the impression you want to win his very first sports debate. When the facts get too overwhelming for you - you bolt like usual. 6-pack, if you want to communicate the way humans do - READ what I write and don't edit it into what you WANT me to say.

I don't know that you or the most avid Steeler fans sickened by the reality are ever gonna present a stronger arguement against roid pollution in pro football than Steve Courson. What you HATED in my initial arguement was my choice of words that the Steelers PIONEERED the most widespread team abuse of steroids in what was labelled the dark ages of pro football. I'm the mail man, not the Christopher Columbus of the message. It's nothing more than a paraphrase of Courson saying he gave up the rings because he couldn't live with the guilt of how they were attained. It was a while ago, but I think he also said Mike Webster so you get the impression there was some linger unrest emotionally and mentally with it all. READ the book and you'll either resort to denial as your coping mechanism or you'll say these guys really were ratty role models for next generations.

In the early 60s San Diego had a couple guys taking shortcuts; but the Steelers had every olinemen and even some backups benching over 500 pounds and 3 dlinemen that could do it. They even had TEs gaining 60-70 pounds to start at OT (Larry Brown).

Again, Courson's book was about shame and sending the wrong message to the next generation of junkie (Haslett and Romanowski that both cited the Steelers as their role models coincidentally enough).

This has always been an easy arguement to win if you don't agree with unethical standards. And what I know about an NFL Strength & Conditioning Program anyway? My entire Corporate Fitness Staff at Xerox worked partime/volunteer in the TB Bucs program back in 97, 98 & 99. Some got paid some volunteered like interns.

- Tom F.

choco

“To say that anabolic steroids didn't play a role in the Steelers' success would be a falsehood. But this isn't a Steelers problem. It's a league-wide problem. ... No one ever told me not to use or take steroids, or suggested I was killing myself.”

go play in the street....

edit: you guys are capable of some impressive mental gymnastics to convince yourselves its was ok. "well, everyone else did it"....

you completely miss the point.

calfoxwc

JoeSucksYak doesn't make any sense, and he probably has a big, worn out poster of

Ben Gay Rothlicksburgerthenfollowsandattackswomen on his wall.

The stink from 3 stinkers stadium is enough to make steeler fans stay home, or wear

gas masks when they do go to a game.

Flugel

JosephSixpack said:
You're not some "expert" -- you're just some hypocrite on a message board. Spare me the holier-than-thou.

Poor Joe - another unsuccessful trip to center ice. You REALLY wanted this one. I've been on your mind for so long - you've named your favorite body parts after me. I'm flattered someone thinks about me this much - actions couldn't be more complimentary.

There's a shrink somewhere in Pittsburgh getting paid dearly to learn how Joe thinks about Flugel. This has an adorable National Lampoon quality to it.

- Tom F.

Flugel

@calfoxwc said:
Ben Gay Rothlicksburgerthenfollowsandattackswomen on his wall.

You know what the most precious thing about it all is? 100% of the Steeler fans are absolutely CRUSHED they've invested all this time on idolizing their Clumsy Rapist and Santonio Holmes. It's their 2 biggest SB heroes so today they're all in here exercising their denial and coping skills. Arguing with Browns' fans doesn't make either guy more human or humane; but it sure is a NICE diversion from the reality of it all.

Anytime we get jerks like Stallworth - archive my opinions and you'll see I want em gone. I never liked Tucker when he went AWOL on us and when I saw his comeback was all about the roids - it only validated my negative opinion of him.

If I want to root for convicts that get special priviledges because they're good at football - I'll watch "the Longest Yard." I've always had the opportunity to be a Steeler fan. Then again, you HAVE to like the people you're rooting for right? If they're all cheating and sticking needles in their fannies - it removes my appreciation of the human performance part of the game I grew fond of.

- Tom F.