Schefter Reports Steelers trying to trade benny now
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First there are more franchise quarterbacks in this league then just 4. You are kidding yourself. Look, to quote you you are "football Retarded" if you believe that. There are more than 4 in the afc alone. Second its all the other teams in the nfl that set the value for what benjamin is worth not the steelers. He has become damaged goods now that the dreaded charactar issues have piled up on him. No team in the NFL, (acception the raiders) will have him valued as being worth two first rounders and a current starting player. Now if i were a steeler fan and we were looking to shop our franchise quarterback i would want everything that i possibly could in return and would probably over value him too. But this is reality not what you would wish to have. Thats why from what schefter is reporting the steelers would want to trade him for a top ten pick and thats all in pretty much a heart beat. They realize what the realistic value is of him now. Now before everything then yes he would have been worth possibly 2 first rounders but now his value has decreased dramatically. A team that would take him on now would be taking a big chance.
I should alter my terminology or at least my proposed definition of Franchise QB. Franchise QB's that have proven they can win the big game when the game is placed squarely on their shoulders. Yes I would consider Flacco a franchise QB, Palmer even though he can't muster a win when it matters most. You then have Matt Ryan, Rodgers etc. Yes I agree but there are only 4 QB's in the league currently with the hardware and the undeniable ability to win football games. As far as his value is considered no team in the NFL would be "taking a chance" by trading for Big Ben. He's not Pacman Jones or Micheal Vick. He can't keep his dick in his pants, all of which should all be corrected at this point considered the no doubt unexpected backlash. Teams want to say his value has decreased dramatically so they can rob him from the Steelers. The fact of the matter is this, the Rooney's aren't going to unload him for just a top 10 pick this year. They are fully aware that he's worth much more and a already went on the record in saying that he deserves a second chance and he's going to work to prove he deserves that chance. It was said in both Art Sr. and Art Jr's press conferences. He's not going anywhere. The Steelers are just putting the feelers out for a Hershel Walker esque trade, one that likely won't arrive. The end.
Rorbotron said:
. Teams want to say his value has decreased dramatically so they can rob him from the Steelers.Bingo!! HALLELUJAH. Pass the Tylenol. Now you are starting to get it. Exactly, there are 31 other teams that would want to phuck and rob the steelers.
The fact of the matter is this, the Rooney's aren't going to unload him for just a top 10 pick this year. They are fully aware that he's worth much more and a already went on the record in saying that he deserves a second chance and he's going to work to prove he deserves that chance. It was said in both Art Sr. and Art Jr's press conferences. He's not going anywhere. The Steelers are just putting the feelers out for a Hershel Walker esque trade, one that likely won't arrive. The end.
Maybe you are right. Maybe the Rooney's may want to try to dump their garbage and get gold in return. Can't blame them for trying.
However, "worth" is a Fair Market Value matter. You are wanting Beverly Hills price for Compton quality. The rest of the people around the league are not as dumb as you think. (i.e. they are not "Steeler Fan Stupid")
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Rorbotron said:
I should alter my terminology or at least my proposed definition of Franchise QB. Franchise QB's that have proven they can win the big game when the game is placed squarely on their shoulders. Yes I would consider Flacco a franchise QB, Palmer even though he can't muster a win when it matters most. You then have Matt Ryan, Rodgers etc. Yes I agree but there are only 4 QB's in the league currently with the hardware and the undeniable ability to win football games. As far as his value is considered no team in the NFL would be "taking a chance" by trading for Big Ben. He's not Pacman Jones or Micheal Vick. He can't keep his dick in his pants, all of which should all be corrected at this point considered the no doubt unexpected backlash. Teams want to say his value has decreased dramatically so they can rob him from the Steelers. The fact of the matter is this, the Rooney's aren't going to unload him for just a top 10 pick this year. They are fully aware that he's worth much more and a already went on the record in saying that he deserves a second chance and he's going to work to prove he deserves that chance. It was said in both Art Sr. and Art Jr's press conferences. He's not going anywhere. The Steelers are just putting the feelers out for a Hershel Walker esque trade, one that likely won't arrive. The end.Im somewhat with you on the franchise qb deal now. Ben is definately a top qb in the league but i dont think there is a drastic difference between him and rodgers and other guys kind of in that same class that arent named brees, manning, and brady. I think the talent around him is what has helped him win those big games not that hes anymore valuable than the rest of the quality franchise tag QB's. He would be a chance. Obviously not by his physical attributes and what he does on the field but by his poor decisions and issues off the field he is a chance. If it was just one bad decision it would be one thing but now we are starting to see a history of bad decisions which means he hasnt learned from his mistakes yet. If you give up a lot for him then he gets caught again in another bad situation hes looking at big time trouble with mr. goodell.
I too find it hard to see him in another uniform but it sounds more and more like there is more than just smoke to these trade talks. They are actively shopping him and they arent asking for the farm from what reports are. Just a pick in the top 10 will do from what is being confirmed. Now if they can get two teams in a bidding war then maybe but that is unlikely going to happen for a guy who is skating on very thin ice.
Im somewhat with you on the franchise qb deal now. Ben is definately a top qb in the league but i dont think there is a drastic difference between him and rodgers and other guys kind of in that same class that arent named brees, manning, and brady. I think the talent around him is what has helped him win those big games not that hes anymore valuable than the rest of the quality franchise tag QB's. He would be a chance. Obviously not by his physical attributes and what he does on the field but by his poor decisions and issues off the field he is a chance. If it was just one bad decision it would be one thing but now we are starting to see a history of bad decisions which means he hasnt learned from his mistakes yet. If you give up a lot for him then he gets caught again in another bad situation hes looking at big time trouble with mr. goodell.
I too find it hard to see him in another uniform but it sounds more and more like there is more than just smoke to these trade talks. They are actively shopping him and they arent asking for the farm from what reports are. Just a pick in the top 10 will do from what is being confirmed. Now if they can get two teams in a bidding war then maybe but that is unlikely going to happen for a guy who is skating on very thin ice.
I don't disagree. He's one issue away from completely tanking but this scenario is a scared straight situation. He'll be walking the line the rest of his career and if for some reason he doesn't you can be rest assured he and Santonio will have shared a similar fate. As far as the other "franchise QB's are concerned I do believe he's a cut above. Aaron Rodgers is the closest to the group of "elite" because he too extends plays and wins games. I'd also place a good bit of credence on the "smoke screen" approach because that's all it is...they are putting the feelers out and accepting calls. I'm still not sure why schefter is reporting the Steelers are contacting teams because Ed Bouchette claims he was Steeler HQ and it was the other teams contacting the Steelers. The man isn't going anywhere. He'll serve his 4 and hopefully come back a better QB and person. He's losing something close to 3 million dollars. Someone on my Steelers board posted a quick breakdown just to put it in to perspective for people and just how some take complete advantage of the blessings they are given.
If you make 50k a year it would take you 86 years to make 3 million dollars. If you make 400k it would take you 7.5 to make that much..i'm assuming taxes etc is involved. Big Ben is going to lose that much in a month and a half. Pretty crazy.
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Schefter reports on Espn that Pittsburgh is trying to trade benny boy for a top 10 first round pick now. Says that if they can get a top ten pick he will more than likely be shipped out. Very very interesting.
Schefter reports on Espn that Pittsburgh is trying to trade benny boy for a top 10 first round pick now. Says that if they can get a top ten pick he will more than likely be shipped out. Very very interesting.
Alright so on my primary board someone posted something from someone that used to be a regular on the old Tribune review message board. The regular in question has close ties to the higher ups in the front office and plays golf with both players and coaches. I was unaware of all of this until now, I guess he used to play for the Steelers and the Bears in the 80's as a offensive lineman. Anyway SUPPOSEDLY there are a few offers on the table for Ben and they are substantial. Once again all RUMORS but still from a league insider.
The Cardinals have offered their 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and a first next year
The Seahawks have offered their 2 firsts this year and their first next year.
ONCE AGAIN FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO NOT READ, RUMORS but also Rumors from a league insider. A guy that has provided SOLID, SPOT ON info in the past. I guess in my limited time on that board I didn't realize he was so connected. The Trib closed down the board because the traffic was through the roof and it was slowing down their entire site. My current board is the off-shoot.
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Schefter reports on Espn that Pittsburgh is trying to trade benny boy for a top 10 first round pick now. Says that if they can get a top ten pick he will more than likely be shipped out. Very very interesting.
Schefter reports on Espn that Pittsburgh is trying to trade benny boy for a top 10 first round pick now. Says that if they can get a top ten pick he will more than likely be shipped out. Very very interesting.
AND I still think making either trade if there is some truth would still set the Steelers back 3 or 4 seasons.
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Schefter reports on Espn that Pittsburgh is trying to trade benny boy for a top 10 first round pick now. Says that if they can get a top ten pick he will more than likely be shipped out. Very very interesting.
Alright so on my primary board someone posted something from someone that used to be a regular on the old Tribune review message board. The regular in question has close ties to the higher ups in the front office and plays golf with both players and coaches. I was unaware of all of this until now, I guess he used to play for the Steelers and the Bears in the 80's as a offensive lineman. Anyway SUPPOSEDLY there are a few offers on the table for Ben and they are substantial. Once again all RUMORS but still from a league insider.
The Cardinals have offered their 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and a first next year
The Seahawks have offered their 2 firsts this year and their first next year.
ONCE AGAIN FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO NOT READ, RUMORS but also Rumors from a league insider. A guy that has provided SOLID, SPOT ON info in the past. I guess in my limited time on that board I didn't realize he was so connected. The Trib closed down the board because the traffic was through the roof and it was slowing down their entire site. My current board is the off-shoot.
Rorbotron said:
Alright so on my primary board someone posted something from someone that used to be a regular on the old Tribune review message board. The regular in question has close ties to the higher ups in the front office and plays golf with both players and coaches. I was unaware of all of this until now, I guess he used to play for the Steelers and the Bears in the 80's as a offensive lineman. Anyway SUPPOSEDLY there are a few offers on the table for Ben and they are substantial. Once again all RUMORS but still from a league insider.The Cardinals have offered their 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and a first next year
The Seahawks have offered their 2 firsts this year and their first next year.
ONCE AGAIN FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO NOT READ, RUMORS but also Rumors from a league insider. A guy that has provided SOLID, SPOT ON info in the past. I guess in my limited time on that board I didn't realize he was so connected. The Trib closed down the board because the traffic was through the roof and it was slowing down their entire site. My current board is the off-shoot.
If they can get that deal the Steelers should jump on it like BR on a coed.
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Schefter reports on Espn that Pittsburgh is trying to trade benny boy for a top 10 first round pick now. Says that if they can get a top ten pick he will more than likely be shipped out. Very very interesting.
AND I still think making either trade if there is some truth would still set the Steelers back 3 or 4 seasons.
Rorbotron said:
AND I still think making either trade if there is some truth would still set the Steelers back 3 or 4 seasons.True, but at least they can build up the defense back up.
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I'm done with the browns if they go after a rapist. I'd probably be done with pro football
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I'm done with the browns if they go after a rapist. I'd probably be done with pro football
I'm done with the browns if they go after a rapist. I'd probably be done with pro football
I don't think any of the teams in the top 10 have went after Roethlisberger. The Steelers have reportedly reached out to all the teams picking in the top ten and the Rams and Bills are the only two that said no.
I don't think the Browns are interested and I agree with you, no matter how good he is and what he's done in his career, I don't want a guy with that image on my team. Plus, I don't think the Steelers will trade within the AFC North even if we were interested. According to La Canfora, the Raiders are the only "real" option at this point.
Raiders enter the Big Ben picture
Posted by Mike Florio on April 21, 2010 3:36 PM ET
Not long ago, there was a belief that the Steelers hadn't ruled out a trade of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in order to scare him regarding the possibility of being traded to Oakland.
Now, he may have good reason to be afraid.
Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Steelers have been in contact with the Raiders regarding a possible trade, and that Oakland "[m]ight be [the] only real option."
The Steelers apparently want a top-ten pick for Roethlisberger. If the Raiders won't send the eighth overall selection to Pittsburgh, the next question becomes whether the Steelers would begin to consider taking pick 11, 12, or 13.
The 49ers hold the 13th pick, and Roethlisberger grew up rooting for the team.
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I'm done with the browns if they go after a rapist. I'd probably be done with pro football
I don't think any of the teams in the top 10 have went after Roethlisberger. The Steelers have reportedly reached out to all the teams picking in the top ten and the Rams and Bills are the only two that said no.
I don't think the Browns are interested and I agree with you, no matter how good he is and what he's done in his career, I don't want a guy with that image on my team. Plus, I don't think the Steelers will trade within the AFC North even if we were interested. According to La Canfora, the Raiders are the only "real" option at this point.
Raiders enter the Big Ben picture
Posted by Mike Florio on April 21, 2010 3:36 PM ET
Not long ago, there was a belief that the Steelers hadn't ruled out a trade of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in order to scare him regarding the possibility of being traded to Oakland.
Now, he may have good reason to be afraid.
Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Steelers have been in contact with the Raiders regarding a possible trade, and that Oakland "[m]ight be [the] only real option."
The Steelers apparently want a top-ten pick for Roethlisberger. If the Raiders won't send the eighth overall selection to Pittsburgh, the next question becomes whether the Steelers would begin to consider taking pick 11, 12, or 13.
The 49ers hold the 13th pick, and Roethlisberger grew up rooting for the team.
I don't think any of the teams in the top 10 have went after Roethlisberger. The Steelers have reportedly reached out to all the teams picking in the top ten and the Rams and Bills are the only two that said no.
I don't think the Browns are interested and I agree with you, no matter how good he is and what he's done in his career, I don't want a guy with that image on my team. Plus, I don't think the Steelers will trade within the AFC North even if we were interested. According to La Canfora, the Raiders are the only "real" option at this point.
And La Canfora is usually wrong. The only well known national analyst I trust is Schefter. I'm sure you read my post but a Steelers insider said both the Cards and the Seahags are interested and offering a ton. I don't want him traded period.
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I don't think any of the teams in the top 10 have went after Roethlisberger. The Steelers have reportedly reached out to all the teams picking in the top ten and the Rams and Bills are the only two that said no.
I don't think the Browns are interested and I agree with you, no matter how good he is and what he's done in his career, I don't want a guy with that image on my team. Plus, I don't think the Steelers will trade within the AFC North even if we were interested. According to La Canfora, the Raiders are the only "real" option at this point.
And La Canfora is usually wrong. The only well known national analyst I trust is Schefter. I'm sure you read my post but a Steelers insider said both the Cards and the Seahags are interested and offering a ton. I don't want him traded period.
Rorbotron said:
And La Canfora is usually wrong. The only well known national analyst I trust is Schefter. I'm sure you read my post but a Steelers insider said both the Cards and the Seahags are interested and offering a ton. I don't want him traded period.Raiders tried to trade for Mcnabb, so it makes sense they would go after Roethlisberger. Cardinals need a QB, and so do the Seahawks.
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You'll need that many high picks to actually get a servicanle player with how shitty tomlin and colbert have been of late
You'll need that many high picks to actually get a servicanle player with how shitty tomlin and colbert have been of late
What? lol I'm not even going there, totally ridiculous statement. I'll just list the players
Timmons, Woodley, Sepulvada, Mendenhall, Dixon, Hood and Wallace
Plus a host of legitimate eventual starters that I won't list because they are unproven. Dixon is a fringe guy in that regard. Whats to say Sweed isn't past his personal ailment and ready to be a legit WR? Colbert and the Steelers are routinely one of the best drafting teams in the league.
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I think it would be impossible for me to cheer for Rothlisberger in a Browns uniform. I'd still be a Browns fan, of course, but...
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You'll need that many high picks to actually get a servicanle player with how shitty tomlin and colbert have been of late
What? lol I'm not even going there, totally ridiculous statement. I'll just list the players
Timmons, Woodley, Sepulvada, Mendenhall, Dixon, Hood and Wallace
Plus a host of legitimate eventual starters that I won't list because they are unproven. Dixon is a fringe guy in that regard. Whats to say Sweed isn't past his personal ailment and ready to be a legit WR? Colbert and the Steelers are routinely one of the best drafting teams in the league.
Rorbotron said:
What? lol I'm not even going there, totally ridiculous statement. I'll just list the playersTimmons, Woodley, Sepulvada, Mendenhall, Dixon, Hood and Wallace
Plus a host of legitimate eventual starters that I won't list because they are unproven. Dixon is a fringe guy in that regard. Whats to say Sweed isn't past his personal ailment and ready to be a legit WR? Colbert and the Steelers are routinely one of the best drafting teams in the league.
It's no use. I've posted all the players Tomlins brought in that now start or have a major impact on our team, it all just gets ignored. I've posted late round picks and UDFAs that made the team and doing way better than expected, but it's all ignored. It's way to early to pass judgement on most of the players Tomlin has drafted becuase they are all still very young, but this board acts like all of them will be busts and will never improve. Just under half of our 22 starters (not to mention longer snapper, punter and return man, and most other special teams positions) will be Tomlin players next year, and that's only Tomlin's 4th year with the team. In 4 year, most Browns will be Holmgren players becuase the Browns suck. Tomlin inerited a Super Bowl caliber team and his players are filling in and keeping with par. They also think bringing back experienced veterans as DEPTH (not to start) becuase the removal of the salary cap allows us to spend more money than usual to improve depth and not just pay starters means Tomlin is desperate for players. But in reallity, it makes perfect sense to have experienced starters as backups.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Any team that could acquire BB is trying their damn hardest to get a deal done, no matter what Adam Schefter says......Any team in the top ten that landed BB, if he were traded to them, would instantly be a contender. Even the Browns, and I'd even say the Browns would have a great chance at winning the division.
However, if a trade does happen with BB, I will be very pissed. Not often does a QB come along that goes 14-0 in their rookie regular season and leads his team to an AFCC game then wins the SB the very next year. Hate BB all you want but you know that the Steelers would be very foolish if they trade him.
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it was somewhat in jest...but hood?
ya mean the guy that couldn't take over for snack?
lol....yup...you know your shit. bringing back cowhers rejects doesnt say much for the past 3 drafts.
it was somewhat in jest...but hood?
ya mean the guy that couldn't take over for snack?
lol....yup...you know your shit. bringing back cowhers rejects doesnt say much for the past 3 drafts.
Ziggy Hood wasn't brought in to take over for Hampton. Nor do the Steelers rush players to start unless absolutely necessary. The only reason Hood even saw the field was because Smith was injured and when he did he had 5 tackles, 3 assists and a sack. Where did you read that Hood was drafted to replace Big Snack? oh that's right you didn't because he wasn't drafted to replace Hampton.
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I don't think any of the teams in the top 10 have went after Roethlisberger. The Steelers have reportedly reached out to all the teams picking in the top ten and the Rams and Bills are the only two that said no.
I don't think the Browns are interested and I agree with you, no matter how good he is and what he's done in his career, I don't want a guy with that image on my team. Plus, I don't think the Steelers will trade within the AFC North even if we were interested. According to La Canfora, the Raiders are the only "real" option at this point.
And La Canfora is usually wrong. The only well known national analyst I trust is Schefter. I'm sure you read my post but a Steelers insider said both the Cards and the Seahags are interested and offering a ton. I don't want him traded period.
Rorbotron said:
And La Canfora is usually wrong. The only well known national analyst I trust is Schefter. I'm sure you read my post but a Steelers insider said both the Cards and the Seahags are interested and offering a ton. I don't want him traded period.No, I didn't catch your post bout what Schefter said and I don't like La Canfora either but I heard the same report about the Raiders being the only viable team, IF he were to be traded, on ESPN as well as reading about it on PFT. Who knows what reports are more true than others.
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the steelers would be crazy to trade roethlisberger. from a football standpoint it makes no sense. on the moral side well that's a different story.
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I think it would be impossible for me to cheer for Rothlisberger in a Browns uniform. I'd still be a Browns fan, of course, but...
I think it would be impossible for me to cheer for Rothlisberger in a Browns uniform. I'd still be a Browns fan, of course, but...
If he took the browns deep into the playoffs I think you would find it in your heart to forgive him.
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