Big Gay Ben Suspended for 4-6 Games.
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Well, you ain't gonna beat the Ravens or the Bengals even with those guys. And here is a clue for you: those guys are pretty good, but they are not the key component to your defensive team. Your DC is. The guys that replaced them were adequate, and having Smith and Fabio in there would have been a slight, not a tremendous difference.
Troy Polamalu is 100% the key to Dick's entire scheme. It's silly to think otherwise. When Troy is healthy Dick does what he wants, when he's not he has to alter the ENTIRE game plan. Why do you think Ryan Clark struggled as much as he did when Troy went down, because Clark was asked to do more because Troy does that much. Aaron Smith on the other hand is the key to our run defense. Look at the stats, when he goes down the run defense goes down substantially. Both are VITAL to the entire operation and Troy changes games. The Steelers are a different team with him in the defensive backfield. If Dixon had Troy against the Ratbirds I'm confident we would have won.
Rorbotron said:
Ifs, buts, candy, nuts, grandmother's and pigs with wings.
Bottom line: we shall see Sept. through January.
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Rorbotron said:
Batch is considering retirement which is part of the reason Byron was brought back in to the fold. He still has the bazooka arm and the guts. As far as the receivers are concerned I'm not all that worried about it. Ward, Wallace, ARE and Battle, plus Heath Miller looks mighty fine to me and Limas Sweed gets his chance to emerge with Holmes gone. Mendenhall isn't proven now? Did you watch any of the games last year? I mean if we're beind realistic it's you that being a little delusional no? All bias aside. We also didn't make the playoffs because we lost a lot of vital pieces to the entire puzzle. If you ask me Polamalu is as important to the Steelers as Big Ben. Aaron Smith is up there as well. Also Casey Hampton is in ridiculous shape, supposedly the best of his career and we still have 10 draft picks. I hate the 6 game suspension but I'm genuinely not worried about the Steelers.Another point of agreement. I am not worried as I don't think they will be a factor in the divisional race. Baltimore and Cinci are far more concerning.
And no, Mendenhall isn't proven as a top flight NFL running back. Any more than Jerome Harrison is. And Harrison was far more impressive in the games he played in last year than Mendenhall.
Another point of agreement. I am not worried as I don't think they will be a factor in the divisional race. Baltimore and Cinci are far more concerning.
And no, Mendenhall isn't proven as a top flight NFL running back. Any more than Jerome Harrison is. And Harrison was far more impressive in the games he played in last year than Mendenhall.
Mendenhal is by no means an elite running back, but he is better than you think. He started 12 games last season and still finished 14th overall in rushing yards. Keep in mind Ben broke Steeler passing records, Miller broke reception records plus Ward, Homes and Wallace halled in over 225 catches. About another 50 ctaches were made by running backs. Mendenhal did great with his limited oppurtunities averaging 4.6 yards a carry (Peterson, Ronnie Brown, Larry johnson and Steve Jackson all averaged 4.4 ypc) and 7 rushing tds on a team that typically went into 5 reciever formations inside the red zone.
Jerome Harrison had his moments, but Mendenhal was very consistant and overall had a much better season than Harrison.
Harrison started 7 games and only had 862 yards and 5 tds on the season (33% his total rushing yards and 60% of his rushing tds came in one game against a very weak defense.)
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Another point of agreement. I am not worried as I don't think they will be a factor in the divisional race. Baltimore and Cinci are far more concerning.
And no, Mendenhall isn't proven as a top flight NFL running back. Any more than Jerome Harrison is. And Harrison was far more impressive in the games he played in last year than Mendenhall.
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is and I can't believe you made the comparison and lol at already fluffing the Steelers off. One minute you sound like you're capable of coherent thought and the next your foaming at the mouth.
Rorbotron said:
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is and I can't believe you made the comparison and lol at already fluffing the Steelers off. One minute you sound like you're capable of coherent thought and the next your foaming at the mouth.Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
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Rorbotron said:
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is and I can't believe you made the comparison and lol at already fluffing the Steelers off. One minute you sound like you're capable of coherent thought and the next your foaming at the mouth.Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Against WHO? lol and how out of hand were those games when Harrison was racking up the yardage? As in where the starters even in the game? or was Harrison running over back ups. They aren't comparable RB's. Sorry. Only in Cleveland lol.
EDIT: KC, Oakland and Jacksonville lol. Kudos.
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Rorbotron said:
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is and I can't believe you made the comparison and lol at already fluffing the Steelers off. One minute you sound like you're capable of coherent thought and the next your foaming at the mouth.Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
33% of ALL of Harrison's rushing yards and 60% of ALL his rushing touchdowns last year came in one game against the power-house defense...of the Kansas City Chiefs.....Not to mention, the Browns didn't have nearly the passing game of the Steelers. The Steelers were a pass first team, the Browns weren't.
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Another point of agreement. I am not worried as I don't think they will be a factor in the divisional race. Baltimore and Cinci are far more concerning.
And no, Mendenhall isn't proven as a top flight NFL running back. Any more than Jerome Harrison is. And Harrison was far more impressive in the games he played in last year than Mendenhall.
Mendenhal is by no means an elite running back, but he is better than you think. He started 12 games last season and still finished 14th overall in rushing yards. Keep in mind Ben broke Steeler passing records, Miller broke reception records plus Ward, Homes and Wallace halled in over 225 catches. About another 50 ctaches were made by running backs. Mendenhal did great with his limited oppurtunities averaging 4.6 yards a carry (Peterson, Ronnie Brown, Larry johnson and Steve Jackson all averaged 4.4 ypc) and 7 rushing tds on a team that typically went into 5 reciever formations inside the red zone.
Jerome Harrison had his moments, but Mendenhal was very consistant and overall had a much better season than Harrison.
Harrison started 7 games and only had 862 yards and 5 tds on the season (33% his total rushing yards and 60% of his rushing tds came in one game against a very weak defense.)
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Mendenhal is by no means an elite running back, but he is better than you think. He started 12 games last season and still finished 14th overall in rushing yards. Keep in mind Ben broke Steeler passing records, Miller broke reception records plus Ward, Homes and Wallace halled in over 225 catches. About another 50 ctaches were made by running backs. Mendenhal did great with his limited oppurtunities averaging 4.6 yards a carry (Peterson, Ronnie Brown, Larry johnson and Steve Jackson all averaged 4.4 ypc) and 7 rushing tds on a team that typically went into 5 reciever formations inside the red zone.Jerome Harrison had his moments, but Mendenhal was very consistant and overall had a much better season than Harrison.
Harrison started 7 games and only had 862 yards and 5 tds on the season (33% his total rushing yards and 60% of his rushing tds came in one game against a very weak defense.)
Don't make too much sense, a intelligent response won't be possible.
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"]I don't know where you got your stats, but Harrison only started maybe 5 games. He had a few carries here and there in the others.
He only became a starter at the end of the season. Imagine what he may have done in a full year.
Keep in mind also that the Browns had practically no passing game to speak of to take the pressure off the running game, unlike the Steelers...as you point out. As for that being a weak defense....there have been weak defenses in the NFL for the past 90 years, yet only twice has anyone ever gained more yards in a game than Harrison did that game.
And that is why I say Harrison is unproven: Here were his carries in the last half of the Browns season:
Vs. Lions: -0- carries (Jamal Lewis had 24); vs. Bengals: 2 carries; vs. Chargers: 10 carries; vs. Steelers: 7 carries (Jennings had 20); vs. Chiefs 34 carries for 286 yards; vs. Oakland 39 carries for 148 yards, vs. Jax 33 carries for 127 yards.
(the number of carries in other games: first game of year vs. Minn: -0- carries; 2d game vs. Broncos: 3 carries; third game vs. Ravens: 16 carries for 52 yards ; fourth game vs. Bengals: 29 carries for 121 yards; Bills: 8 carries; 1st Steeler game: 5 carries; Packers: 3 carries; Bears: 5 carries; Ravens: -0- carries.
As you can see, Harrison was the Browns featured runner in only 4-5 games all year long. In 4 of them he gained well over 100 yards.
Was Mendenhall more consistent? Sure, he got to play and be featured nearly the whole season. Even so, he only outgained Harrison by about 250 yards.
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"]I don't know where you got your stats, but Harrison only started maybe 5 games. He had a few carries here and there in the others.
He only became a starter at the end of the season. Imagine what he may have done in a full year.
Keep in mind also that the Browns had practically no passing game to speak of to take the pressure off the running game, unlike the Steelers...as you point out. As for that being a weak defense....there have been weak defenses in the NFL for the past 90 years, yet only twice has anyone ever gained more yards in a game than Harrison did that game.
And that is why I say Harrison is unproven: Here were his carries in the last half of the Browns season:
Vs. Lions: -0- carries (Jamal Lewis had 24); vs. Bengals: 2 carries; vs. Chargers: 10 carries; vs. Steelers: 7 carries (Jennings had 20); vs. Chiefs 34 carries for 286 yards; vs. Oakland 39 carries for 148 yards, vs. Jax 33 carries for 127 yards.
(the number of carries in other games: first game of year vs. Minn: -0- carries; 2d game vs. Broncos: 3 carries; third game vs. Ravens: 16 carries for 52 yards ; fourth game vs. Bengals: 29 carries for 121 yards; Bills: 8 carries; 1st Steeler game: 5 carries; Packers: 3 carries; Bears: 5 carries; Ravens: -0- carries.
As you can see, Harrison was the Browns featured runner in only 4-5 games all year long. In 4 of them he gained well over 100 yards.
Was Mendenhall more consistent? Sure, he got to play and be featured nearly the whole season. Even so, he only outgained Harrison by about 250 yards.
"]I don't know where you got your stats, but Harrison only started maybe 5 games. He had a few carries here and there in the others.
He only became a starter at the end of the season. Imagine what he may have done in a full year.
Keep in mind also that the Browns had practically no passing game to speak of to take the pressure off the running game, unlike the Steelers...as you point out. As for that being a weak defense....there have been weak defenses in the NFL for the past 90 years, yet only twice has anyone ever gained more yards in a game than Harrison did that game.
And that is why I say Harrison is unproven: Here were his carries in the last half of the Browns season:
Vs. Lions: -0- carries (Jamal Lewis had 24); vs. Bengals: 2 carries; vs. Chargers: 10 carries; vs. Steelers: 7 carries (Jennings had 20); vs. Chargers 34 carries for 286 yards; vs. Oakland 39 carries for 148 yards, vs. Jax 33 carries for 127 yards.
(the number of carries in other games: first game of year vs. Minn: -0- carries; 2d game vs. Broncos: 3 carries; third game vs. Ravens: 16 carries for 52 yards ; fourth game vs. Bengals: 29 carries for 121 yards; Bills: 8 carries; 1st Steeler game: 5 carries; Packers: 3 carries; Bears: 5 carries; Ravens: -0- carries.
As you can see, Harrison was the Browns featured runner in only 4-5 games all year long. In 4 of them he gained well over 100 yards.
Was Mendenhall more consistent? Sure, he got to play and be featured nearly the whole season. Even so, he only outgained Harrison by about 250 yards.
Mendenhall played second fiddle to Ben and the air attack as Silverback already pointed out. He had 7 games in which he didn't go over 20 carries. If Pittsburgh does as they say they plan too and concentrates on re-establishing smash mouth football in Pittsburgh Mendenhall is going to be a 1800-2000 yard back. Write it down. Harrison WONT be...
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if character matters when drafting a rookie, i can imagine the same goes for trading a player of bad character
will the steelers get any value out of the bum?
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Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Against WHO? lol and how out of hand were those games when Harrison was racking up the yardage? As in where the starters even in the game? or was Harrison running over back ups. They aren't comparable RB's. Sorry. Only in Cleveland lol.
EDIT: KC, Oakland and Jacksonville lol. Kudos.
Rorbotron said:
Against WHO? lol and how out of hand were those games when Harrison was racking up the yardage? As in where the starters even in the game? or was Harrison running over back ups. They aren't comparable RB's. Sorry. Only in Cleveland lol.EDIT: KC, Oakland and Jacksonville lol. Kudos.
Yea, and How did Mendenhall fare against those same teams. Or similar teams. Every team played its share of inferior opponents. The Browns had the 31st ranked defense in the entire league. Mendenhall, in 2 games against the Browns rushed for all of 62 and 53 yards respectively. (Some might call that pathetic against such a poor defense)
Against KC, Mendenhall had 80 yards. Kudos, Harrison only beat him by 208 yards.
Against Oakland, Mendenhall had 103 yards. Harrison had 148.
And Jacksonville was still fighting for a possible playoff spot when the Browns played them. The Browns tried to do you a favor by taking care of them as they were one of the teams you were fighting against for that playoff spot. I guess you could say the Browns knocked you both out.
In the one other game Harrison started he got 121 yards against the Bengals. How many did Mendenhall have?
Well, in the first game, he didn't play apparently. He had -0- carries. Willie Parker had 93 yards. In the second game, Mendenhall had all of 36 yards.
How about the Ravens, another common opponent: Mendenhal had 95 yards in their first meeting, but only 36 yards on 17 carries the second meeting.
In the only game Harrison played against the Ravens he had 52 yards on 16 carries.
Congrats. Mendenhall beat out Harrison in one game against common opponents. One game out of 5.
So, Mendenhall did have more chances. Harrison did more with his chances.
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"]I don't know where you got your stats, but Harrison only started maybe 5 games. He had a few carries here and there in the others.
He only became a starter at the end of the season. Imagine what he may have done in a full year.
Keep in mind also that the Browns had practically no passing game to speak of to take the pressure off the running game, unlike the Steelers...as you point out. As for that being a weak defense....there have been weak defenses in the NFL for the past 90 years, yet only twice has anyone ever gained more yards in a game than Harrison did that game.
And that is why I say Harrison is unproven: Here were his carries in the last half of the Browns season:
Vs. Lions: -0- carries (Jamal Lewis had 24); vs. Bengals: 2 carries; vs. Chargers: 10 carries; vs. Steelers: 7 carries (Jennings had 20); vs. Chargers 34 carries for 286 yards; vs. Oakland 39 carries for 148 yards, vs. Jax 33 carries for 127 yards.
(the number of carries in other games: first game of year vs. Minn: -0- carries; 2d game vs. Broncos: 3 carries; third game vs. Ravens: 16 carries for 52 yards ; fourth game vs. Bengals: 29 carries for 121 yards; Bills: 8 carries; 1st Steeler game: 5 carries; Packers: 3 carries; Bears: 5 carries; Ravens: -0- carries.
As you can see, Harrison was the Browns featured runner in only 4-5 games all year long. In 4 of them he gained well over 100 yards.
Was Mendenhall more consistent? Sure, he got to play and be featured nearly the whole season. Even so, he only outgained Harrison by about 250 yards.
Mendenhall played second fiddle to Ben and the air attack as Silverback already pointed out. He had 7 games in which he didn't go over 20 carries. If Pittsburgh does as they say they plan too and concentrates on re-establishing smash mouth football in Pittsburgh Mendenhall is going to be a 1800-2000 yard back. Write it down. Harrison WONT be...
Rorbotron said:
Mendenhall played second fiddle to Ben and the air attack as Silverback already pointed out. He had 7 games in which he didn't go over 20 carries. If Pittsburgh does as they say they plan too and concentrates on re-establishing smash mouth football in Pittsburgh Mendenhall is going to be a 1800-2000 yard back. Write it down. Harrison WONT be...ROFLMAO!
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Rorbotron said:
Against WHO? lol and how out of hand were those games when Harrison was racking up the yardage? As in where the starters even in the game? or was Harrison running over back ups. They aren't comparable RB's. Sorry. Only in Cleveland lol.EDIT: KC, Oakland and Jacksonville lol. Kudos.
Yea, and How did Mendenhall fare against those same teams. Or similar teams. Every team played its share of inferior opponents. The Browns had the 31st ranked defense in the entire league. Mendenhall, in 2 games against the Browns rushed for all of 62 and 53 yards respectively. (Some might call that pathetic against such a poor defense)
Against KC, Mendenhall had 80 yards. Kudos, Harrison only beat him by 208 yards.
Against Oakland, Mendenhall had 103 yards. Harrison had 148.
And Jacksonville was still fighting for a possible playoff spot when the Browns played them. The Browns tried to do you a favor by taking care of them as they were one of the teams you were fighting against for that playoff spot. I guess you could say the Browns knocked you both out.
In the one other game Harrison started he got 121 yards against the Bengals. How many did Mendenhall have?
Well, in the first game, he didn't play apparently. He had -0- carries. Willie Parker had 93 yards. In the second game, Mendenhall had all of 36 yards.
How about the Ravens, another common opponent: Mendenhal had 95 yards in their first meeting, but only 36 yards on 17 carries the second meeting.
In the only game Harrison played against the Ravens he had 52 yards on 16 carries.
Congrats. Mendenhall beat out Harrison in one game against common opponents. One game out of 5.
So, Mendenhall did have more chances. Harrison did more with his chances.
Yea, and How did Mendenhall fare against those same teams. Or similar teams. Every team played its share of inferior opponents. The Browns had the 31st ranked defense in the entire league. Mendenhall, in 2 games against the Browns rushed for all of 62 and 53 yards respectively. (Some might call that pathetic against such a poor defense)
Against KC, Mendenhall had 80 yards. Kudos, Harrison only beat him by 208 yards.
Against Oakland, Mendenhall had 103 yards. Harrison had 148.
And Jacksonville was still fighting for a possible playoff spot when the Browns played them. The Browns tried to do you a favor by taking care of them as they were one of the teams you were fighting against for that playoff spot. I guess you could say the Browns knocked you both out.
In the one other game Harrison started he got 121 yards against the Bengals. How many did Mendenhall have?
Well, in the first game, he didn't play apparently. He had -0- carries. Willie Parker had 93 yards. In the second game, Mendenhall had all of 36 yards.
How about the Ravens, another common opponent: Mendenhal had 95 yards in their first meeting, but only 36 yards on 17 carries the second meeting.
In the only game Harrison played against the Ravens he had 52 yards on 16 carries.
Congrats. Mendenhall beat out Harrison in one game against common opponents. One game out of 5.
So, Mendenhall did have more chances. Harrison did more with his chances.
sounds like somebody just got bitch slapped by the truth.
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Rorbotron said:
Mendenhall played second fiddle to Ben and the air attack as Silverback already pointed out. He had 7 games in which he didn't go over 20 carries. If Pittsburgh does as they say they plan too and concentrates on re-establishing smash mouth football in Pittsburgh Mendenhall is going to be a 1800-2000 yard back. Write it down. Harrison WONT be...ROFLMAO!
ROFLMAO!
Alright a little high 1500-1800, not many 2000 yard backs these days and the team will still have Big Ben after 4 games. Laugh all you want. I'll be sure to check back in with this exact post when the season ends.
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Rorbotron said:
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is and I can't believe you made the comparison and lol at already fluffing the Steelers off. One minute you sound like you're capable of coherent thought and the next your foaming at the mouth.Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Harrison rush ave. 4.44
Mendy's rush ave. 4.58
That is hardly double the yardage, more or less........in fact, it is not as good as Mendy
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Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Harrison rush ave. 4.44
Mendy's rush ave. 4.58
That is hardly double the yardage, more or less........in fact, it is not as good as Mendy
Harrison rush ave. 4.44
Mendy's rush ave. 4.58
That is hardly double the yardage, more or less........in fact, it is not as good as Mendy
Really? Last time I checked that is one more point than harrison. BIG WHOOP>
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Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Harrison rush ave. 4.44
Mendy's rush ave. 4.58
That is hardly double the yardage, more or less........in fact, it is not as good as Mendy
Harrison rush ave. 4.44
Mendy's rush ave. 4.58
That is hardly double the yardage, more or less........in fact, it is not as good as Mendy
Not to mention he continuously mentions the lack of games played and completely ignores the number of carries. Harrison was relied on, Mendenhall was not and when Rashard was relied on he got it done. More carries, higher yards per carry. Hmmm
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"]I don't know where you got your stats, but Harrison only started maybe 5 games. He had a few carries here and there in the others.
He only became a starter at the end of the season. Imagine what he may have done in a full year.
Keep in mind also that the Browns had practically no passing game to speak of to take the pressure off the running game, unlike the Steelers...as you point out. As for that being a weak defense....there have been weak defenses in the NFL for the past 90 years, yet only twice has anyone ever gained more yards in a game than Harrison did that game.
And that is why I say Harrison is unproven: Here were his carries in the last half of the Browns season:
Vs. Lions: -0- carries (Jamal Lewis had 24); vs. Bengals: 2 carries; vs. Chargers: 10 carries; vs. Steelers: 7 carries (Jennings had 20); vs. Chargers 34 carries for 286 yards; vs. Oakland 39 carries for 148 yards, vs. Jax 33 carries for 127 yards.
(the number of carries in other games: first game of year vs. Minn: -0- carries; 2d game vs. Broncos: 3 carries; third game vs. Ravens: 16 carries for 52 yards ; fourth game vs. Bengals: 29 carries for 121 yards; Bills: 8 carries; 1st Steeler game: 5 carries; Packers: 3 carries; Bears: 5 carries; Ravens: -0- carries.
As you can see, Harrison was the Browns featured runner in only 4-5 games all year long. In 4 of them he gained well over 100 yards.
Was Mendenhall more consistent? Sure, he got to play and be featured nearly the whole season. Even so, he only outgained Harrison by about 250 yards.
Mendenhall played second fiddle to Ben and the air attack as Silverback already pointed out. He had 7 games in which he didn't go over 20 carries. If Pittsburgh does as they say they plan too and concentrates on re-establishing smash mouth football in Pittsburgh Mendenhall is going to be a 1800-2000 yard back. Write it down. Harrison WONT be...
Rorbotron said:
Mendenhall played second fiddle to Ben and the air attack as Silverback already pointed out. He had 7 games in which he didn't go over 20 carries. If Pittsburgh does as they say they plan too and concentrates on re-establishing smash mouth football in Pittsburgh Mendenhall is going to be a 1800-2000 yard back. Write it down. Harrison WONT be...Having an excellent air game should open things up for the running game. (ever watch football?).
When the Browns gave Harrison 20 or more carries a game (only 4 times) he got the following yardage: 121, 286, 148, and 127.
Maybe, IF the Steelers decide to re-establish smashmouth football, Mendenhall might actually wish and hope he can do as well as Harrison did if he were to get those 20+ carries a game.
But, we do agree on this point: those 4 games do not establish Harrison as a game in/game out back in the NFL.
He is only a 5'9" 195 lb. running back. He was really brought in to only be a "utility/third down" type back.
He is not the 6'0' 220 lb. back that is supposed to be the workhorse of an offense
...but...Mendenhall is that size....he is supposed to be a workhorse back, not the scatback/Jerome Harrison type back.
Yet, the fact is, in the opportunies they had, Harrison has statistically outperformed Mendenhall.
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Harrison isn't half the running back Mendenhall is, he just gains double the yardage, more or less.
In 7 starts, Harrison had 194 carries for 862 yards
In 12 starts Mendanhall had 242 carries for 1108 yards.
These guys were actually practically totally comparable.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Lets not forget that Harrison had the third highest rushing game in NFL history.
Harrison rush ave. 4.44
Mendy's rush ave. 4.58
That is hardly double the yardage, more or less........in fact, it is not as good as Mendy
Harrison rush ave. 4.44
Mendy's rush ave. 4.58
That is hardly double the yardage, more or less........in fact, it is not as good as Mendy
Agreed, a slightly better per carry average.
(For a featured running back, both of those averages would actually be pretty good)
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edit: the gipper, let me add to your points. those final 4 games that jerome harrison racked up alot of yards in, the browns barely passed the ball. that made it easier for teams to defend the run since the browns were barley passing the ball and had a very poor amount of completed passes in those 4 remaining games.
harrison deserves alot of credit for what he accomplished, esp. considering the circumstances he was dealing with. the browns were basically saying stop the run and their opponents couldn't. the right side of the browns o-line was weak (esp. the rt postion), but harrison's shifty moves and good break away speed made up for the things the browns offense lacked at the time.
and no, i'm not saying jerome is the second coming of jim brown or anything like that.
i don't know if jerome can be an every down back or not. he does seem kind of tough for his size, though. only time will tell.
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Rorbotron said:
Against WHO? lol and how out of hand were those games when Harrison was racking up the yardage? As in where the starters even in the game? or was Harrison running over back ups. They aren't comparable RB's. Sorry. Only in Cleveland lol.EDIT: KC, Oakland and Jacksonville lol. Kudos.
Yea, and How did Mendenhall fare against those same teams. Or similar teams. Every team played its share of inferior opponents. The Browns had the 31st ranked defense in the entire league. Mendenhall, in 2 games against the Browns rushed for all of 62 and 53 yards respectively. (Some might call that pathetic against such a poor defense)
Against KC, Mendenhall had 80 yards. Kudos, Harrison only beat him by 208 yards.
Against Oakland, Mendenhall had 103 yards. Harrison had 148.
And Jacksonville was still fighting for a possible playoff spot when the Browns played them. The Browns tried to do you a favor by taking care of them as they were one of the teams you were fighting against for that playoff spot. I guess you could say the Browns knocked you both out.
In the one other game Harrison started he got 121 yards against the Bengals. How many did Mendenhall have?
Well, in the first game, he didn't play apparently. He had -0- carries. Willie Parker had 93 yards. In the second game, Mendenhall had all of 36 yards.
How about the Ravens, another common opponent: Mendenhal had 95 yards in their first meeting, but only 36 yards on 17 carries the second meeting.
In the only game Harrison played against the Ravens he had 52 yards on 16 carries.
Congrats. Mendenhall beat out Harrison in one game against common opponents. One game out of 5.
So, Mendenhall did have more chances. Harrison did more with his chances.
Yea, and How did Mendenhall fare against those same teams. Or similar teams. Every team played its share of inferior opponents. The Browns had the 31st ranked defense in the entire league. Mendenhall, in 2 games against the Browns rushed for all of 62 and 53 yards respectively. (Some might call that pathetic against such a poor defense)
Against KC, Mendenhall had 80 yards. Kudos, Harrison only beat him by 208 yards.
Against Oakland, Mendenhall had 103 yards. Harrison had 148.
And Jacksonville was still fighting for a possible playoff spot when the Browns played them. The Browns tried to do you a favor by taking care of them as they were one of the teams you were fighting against for that playoff spot. I guess you could say the Browns knocked you both out.
In the one other game Harrison started he got 121 yards against the Bengals. How many did Mendenhall have?
Well, in the first game, he didn't play apparently. He had -0- carries. Willie Parker had 93 yards. In the second game, Mendenhall had all of 36 yards.
How about the Ravens, another common opponent: Mendenhal had 95 yards in their first meeting, but only 36 yards on 17 carries the second meeting.
In the only game Harrison played against the Ravens he had 52 yards on 16 carries.
Congrats. Mendenhall beat out Harrison in one game against common opponents. One game out of 5.
So, Mendenhall did have more chances. Harrison did more with his chances.
Harrison had 39 carries against Oakland...for 148 yards
Mendenhal had 20 carries against Oakland....for 103 yards
Harrison got all of 45 more yards on twice as many carries....
Harrison had 10 carries against the Chargers ...for 35 yards
Mendenhal had 29 carries against the Cahrgers...for 165 yards
Thats 2.2 more yards per carry for Mendenhal.
Not to mention Mendenhal's ability to score touchdowns. Bruce Arians prefers 5 reciever fromations from the 1-yard line, but Mendenhal still manged 7 tds on the season.
Harrison got five (but three came against Kansas city) and the other two came against Oakland and Jacksonville (he needed 33 carries to get one against the Jaguars and 39 carries to get one against the Raiders).
Mendenhall has 48 more carries than Harrison and still averaged more yards per rush....
There is a reason the Steelers got lucky to get the oppurtunity to draft Mendenhal and there is a reason Harrison (a fifth year player) struggled to take the starting spot from a washed up Jamal Lewis.
Running backs are typically at their prime at age 27 (harrison's age) and start to regress at 30.
Mendenhal is 22 and had more touchdowns last year alone than harrison has in his 5 year career. There is a reason Harrison has all of 10 more career carries than a player who played in 27 less games than him. There is a reason Harrison has played in 27 more games than Mendenhal and has all of 144 more rushing yards.
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