Rothlicksbooger wasn't liked by 60% of the steeler team
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Roethlisberger wasn't a popular Steeler, even before all this
Some former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates are kicking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) while he's down, telling ESPN that Roethlisberger wasn't well-liked in the locker room while they were there.
Kelly Naqi did a story for ESPN's "Outside the Lines" this weekend, focusing on Roethlisberger's image and reputation. She talked to former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport(notes), former Steelers safety about Mike Logan(notes), and some other people around the area. Here are some of the highlights.
• Davenport estimated that about 60 percent of the locker room felt like Roethlisberger thought he was "bigger than the team," and not focused on winning.
• Davenport also discussed a time when Joey Porter(notes) called out Roethlisberger in a team meeting for being the last one in to practice and the first one to leave. Porter also accused Roethlisberger of not being dedicated to the team, and criticized him for not fraternizing with his teammates.
• Mike Logan confirmed the incident where Porter addressed Roethlisberger, and said that all the things Porter mentioned were already being talked about in the locker room.
• Someone identified only as "a close friend of a Steelers player" said that the reason Roethlisberger had a bodyguard was because of an incident where a man put a gun to Roethlisberger's head because Roethlisberger was involved with the man's girlfriend.
• Naqi spoke with people who work at Pittsburgh bars and nightclubs, and they described Ben as someone who was condescending to the staffs and rude to other customers. One bar owner said Roethlisberger always expected he and his entourage to be given free food and drinks.
Roethlisberger wouldn't talk to ESPN for the story, and neither would Joey Porter. Roethlisberger did release a statement today about his suspension, though, apologizing to his teammates and fans and vowing to comply with the terms of the suspension.
This is the kind of report that wouldn't ever see the light of day if there weren't some other dastardly story about the guy. That's not to say that it isn't true -- Kelly Naqi's a fine reporter -- but is it a big deal? Should we care?
After all, no one said anything about Roethlisberger-related locker room troubles when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls. Maybe this is just a mountain-out-of-a-molehill thing that surfaces now, because it's convenient and fits the "Roethlisberger as dirtball" narrative.
If there's any practical issue here, I think it's this: If Roethlisberger has to mend some fences in the Steelers locker room, perhaps it'll be even tougher than expected. If someone didn't like him before the sexual assault allegations, it's hard to imagine they'll warm up to the guy now, no matter what he does.
We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. Locker rooms have been divided over less.
Related: Ben Roethlisberger, Joey Porter, Pittsburgh Steelers
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Some former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates are kicking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) while he's down, telling ESPN that Roethlisberger wasn't well-liked in the locker room while they were there.
Kelly Naqi did a story for ESPN's "Outside the Lines" this weekend, focusing on Roethlisberger's image and reputation. She talked to former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport(notes), former Steelers safety about Mike Logan(notes), and some other people around the area. Here are some of the highlights.
• Davenport estimated that about 60 percent of the locker room felt like Roethlisberger thought he was "bigger than the team," and not focused on winning.
• Davenport also discussed a time when Joey Porter(notes) called out Roethlisberger in a team meeting for being the last one in to practice and the first one to leave. Porter also accused Roethlisberger of not being dedicated to the team, and criticized him for not fraternizing with his teammates.
• Mike Logan confirmed the incident where Porter addressed Roethlisberger, and said that all the things Porter mentioned were already being talked about in the locker room.
• Someone identified only as "a close friend of a Steelers player" said that the reason Roethlisberger had a bodyguard was because of an incident where a man put a gun to Roethlisberger's head because Roethlisberger was involved with the man's girlfriend.
• Naqi spoke with people who work at Pittsburgh bars and nightclubs, and they described Ben as someone who was condescending to the staffs and rude to other customers. One bar owner said Roethlisberger always expected he and his entourage to be given free food and drinks.
Roethlisberger wouldn't talk to ESPN for the story, and neither would Joey Porter. Roethlisberger did release a statement today about his suspension, though, apologizing to his teammates and fans and vowing to comply with the terms of the suspension.
This is the kind of report that wouldn't ever see the light of day if there weren't some other dastardly story about the guy. That's not to say that it isn't true -- Kelly Naqi's a fine reporter -- but is it a big deal? Should we care?
After all, no one said anything about Roethlisberger-related locker room troubles when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls. Maybe this is just a mountain-out-of-a-molehill thing that surfaces now, because it's convenient and fits the "Roethlisberger as dirtball" narrative.
If there's any practical issue here, I think it's this: If Roethlisberger has to mend some fences in the Steelers locker room, perhaps it'll be even tougher than expected. If someone didn't like him before the sexual assault allegations, it's hard to imagine they'll warm up to the guy now, no matter what he does.
We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. Locker rooms have been divided over less.
Related: Ben Roethlisberger, Joey Porter, Pittsburgh Steelers
FYI this isn't anything new. It's been public knowledge at least with the Steeler fan base for over a year. It's just coming out on a more national level beause of the rest of the mess recently created. Big Ben will serve his suspension and hopefully will return with mimimal rust. I'm not at all worried about the Steelers. Chicken little doesn't reside in Pittsburgh.
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When is the roth jerseys burning ? I hope most steeler fans show up, and the media is there.
Seriously, it's sad so many Steeler fans find all this out, and regret that their kids looked up to rothlicksbooger
and wore his jersey number.
"Not no more" I think.
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It takes great or mad parenting skills to buy a kid a rottenburger jersey.
I figure if I was going to get a jersey by a guy that wore #7, it had better be Mickey Mantle.
Yea, Mantle was a drinker and a carouser, but by all indications he was beloved by all, especially by the "little people" he came into contact with. Instead of expecting to be given free food and drinks for himself and his whole party, Mantle was probably the kind of guy to buy the entire bar a round or two.
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It takes great or mad parenting skills to buy a kid a rottenburger jersey.
I figure if I was going to get a jersey by a guy that wore #7, it had better be Mickey Mantle.
Yea, Mantle was a drinker and a carouser, but by all indications he was beloved by all, especially by the "little people" he came into contact with. Instead of expecting to be given free food and drinks for himself and his whole party, Mantle was probably the kind of guy to buy the entire bar a round or two.
I figure if I was going to get a jersey by a guy that wore #7, it had better be Mickey Mantle.
Yea, Mantle was a drinker and a carouser, but by all indications he was beloved by all, especially by the "little people" he came into contact with. Instead of expecting to be given free food and drinks for himself and his whole party, Mantle was probably the kind of guy to buy the entire bar a round or two
.Yes he was. The Mick was beloved by all. He had the charm to carry a clubhouse (and a marriage for that matter) despite his flaws.
60% hated The Rapist?
Well, I can't imagine it's any less now.
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I figure if I was going to get a jersey by a guy that wore #7, it had better be Mickey Mantle.
Yea, Mantle was a drinker and a carouser, but by all indications he was beloved by all, especially by the "little people" he came into contact with. Instead of expecting to be given free food and drinks for himself and his whole party, Mantle was probably the kind of guy to buy the entire bar a round or two
.Yes he was. The Mick was beloved by all. He had the charm to carry a clubhouse (and a marriage for that matter) despite his flaws.
60% hated The Rapist?
Well, I can't imagine it's any less now.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Cant Imagine why it matters so much to YOU .I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Cant Imagine why it matters so much to YOU .I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
Amusing. Is your 9 year old daughter when she's in college going to walk around a bar underage with "DTF" on her shirt? Is she going to follow a NFL superstar through 3 different bars with her own entourage continuously throwing herself at the player in question? Did you happen to read the one former sorority president and now advisors comments in one of the press releases about how most girls that are now members of sororities use alcohol as a means to be sexually aggressive? It's easy to paint this girl as the victim and if all of the above weren't factors maybe she would have actually been a victim. However all of the above was VERY PRESENT and one of the exact reasons there wasn't a case, well that and next to no DNA evidence anywhere, as well as several eye witness reports. Oh and in case you aren't aware "DTF" stands for "DOWN TO F.UCK"... classy group of ladies.
Yes Big Ben had no business being involved but he was and now he's suspended. He's getting his second chance and I'd bank on him making the most of it. I don't give a sh.it if you have a daughter. College sluts are abundant something I can speak on first hand. Women are painted as the weaker sex but in situations like these it's the GIRL with the agenda. PERIOD. SOooo amazingly tired of the "I have a daughter argument" Shut the f.uck up.
EDIT: Those same "innocent young women" viewed Big Ben as a object. A multi-millionaire with a responsibility problem. Oh the innocent slutty co-eds. lol
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I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
Amusing. Is your 9 year old daughter when she's in college going to walk around a bar underage with "DTF" on her shirt? Is she going to follow a NFL superstar through 3 different bars with her own entourage continuously throwing herself at the player in question? Did you happen to read the one former sorority president and now advisors comments in one of the press releases about how most girls that are now members of sororities use alcohol as a means to be sexually aggressive? It's easy to paint this girl as the victim and if all of the above weren't factors maybe she would have actually been a victim. However all of the above was VERY PRESENT and one of the exact reasons there wasn't a case, well that and next to no DNA evidence anywhere, as well as several eye witness reports. Oh and in case you aren't aware "DTF" stands for "DOWN TO F.UCK"... classy group of ladies.
Yes Big Ben had no business being involved but he was and now he's suspended. He's getting his second chance and I'd bank on him making the most of it. I don't give a sh.it if you have a daughter. College sluts are abundant something I can speak on first hand. Women are painted as the weaker sex but in situations like these it's the GIRL with the agenda. PERIOD. SOooo amazingly tired of the "I have a daughter argument" Shut the f.uck up.
EDIT: Those same "innocent young women" viewed Big Ben as a object. A multi-millionaire with a responsibility problem. Oh the innocent slutty co-eds. lol
Rorbotron said:
Amusing. Is your 9 year old daughter when she's in college going to walk around a bar underage with "DTF" on her shirt? Is she going to follow a NFL superstar through 3 different bars with her own entourage continuously throwing herself at the player in question? Did you happen to read the one former sorority president and now advisors comments in one of the press releases about how most girls that are now members of sororities use alcohol as a means to be sexually aggressive? It's easy to paint this girl as the victim and if all of the above weren't factors maybe she would have actually been a victim. However all of the above was VERY PRESENT and one of the exact reasons there wasn't a case, well that and next to no DNA evidence anywhere, as well as several eye witness reports. Oh and in case you aren't aware "DTF" stands for "DOWN TO F.UCK"... classy group of ladies.Yes Big Ben had no business being involved but he was and now he's suspended. He's getting his second chance and I'd bank on him making the most of it. I don't give a sh.it if you have a daughter. College sluts are abundant something I can speak on first hand. Women are painted as the weaker sex but in situations like these it's the GIRL with the agenda. PERIOD. SOooo amazingly tired of the "I have a daughter argument" Shut the f.uck up.
EDIT: Those same "innocent young women" viewed Big Ben as a object. A multi-millionaire with a responsibility problem. Oh the innocent slutty co-eds. lol
They may have an agenda but he keeps allowing it to happen. You have no right to be foul-mouthed about it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
Amusing. Is your 9 year old daughter when she's in college going to walk around a bar underage with "DTF" on her shirt? Is she going to follow a NFL superstar through 3 different bars with her own entourage continuously throwing herself at the player in question? Did you happen to read the one former sorority president and now advisors comments in one of the press releases about how most girls that are now members of sororities use alcohol as a means to be sexually aggressive? It's easy to paint this girl as the victim and if all of the above weren't factors maybe she would have actually been a victim. However all of the above was VERY PRESENT and one of the exact reasons there wasn't a case, well that and next to no DNA evidence anywhere, as well as several eye witness reports. Oh and in case you aren't aware "DTF" stands for "DOWN TO F.UCK"... classy group of ladies.
Yes Big Ben had no business being involved but he was and now he's suspended. He's getting his second chance and I'd bank on him making the most of it. I don't give a sh.it if you have a daughter. College sluts are abundant something I can speak on first hand. Women are painted as the weaker sex but in situations like these it's the GIRL with the agenda. PERIOD. SOooo amazingly tired of the "I have a daughter argument" Shut the f.uck up.
EDIT: Those same "innocent young women" viewed Big Ben as a object. A multi-millionaire with a responsibility problem. Oh the innocent slutty co-eds. lol
Rorbotron said:
Amusing. Is your 9 year old daughter when she's in college going to walk around a bar underage with "DTF" on her shirt? Is she going to follow a NFL superstar through 3 different bars with her own entourage continuously throwing herself at the player in question? Did you happen to read the one former sorority president and now advisors comments in one of the press releases about how most girls that are now members of sororities use alcohol as a means to be sexually aggressive? It's easy to paint this girl as the victim and if all of the above weren't factors maybe she would have actually been a victim. However all of the above was VERY PRESENT and one of the exact reasons there wasn't a case, well that and next to no DNA evidence anywhere, as well as several eye witness reports. Oh and in case you aren't aware "DTF" stands for "DOWN TO F.UCK"... classy group of ladies.Yes Big Ben had no business being involved but he was and now he's suspended. He's getting his second chance and I'd bank on him making the most of it. I don't give a sh.it if you have a daughter. College sluts are abundant something I can speak on first hand. Women are painted as the weaker sex but in situations like these it's the GIRL with the agenda. PERIOD. SOooo amazingly tired of the "I have a daughter argument" Shut the f.uck up.
EDIT: Those same "innocent young women" viewed Big Ben as a object. A multi-millionaire with a responsibility problem. Oh the innocent slutty co-eds. lol
You have to remember that Big Ben is 28 year old, and is an adult. And this is a guy who is supposed to be a role model. He goes into bars and gets girls drunk. Think about it. Who wouldn't want their daughter around this guy?
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Rorbotron said:
Amusing. Is your 9 year old daughter when she's in college going to walk around a bar underage with "DTF" on her shirt? Is she going to follow a NFL superstar through 3 different bars with her own entourage continuously throwing herself at the player in question? Did you happen to read the one former sorority president and now advisors comments in one of the press releases about how most girls that are now members of sororities use alcohol as a means to be sexually aggressive? It's easy to paint this girl as the victim and if all of the above weren't factors maybe she would have actually been a victim. However all of the above was VERY PRESENT and one of the exact reasons there wasn't a case, well that and next to no DNA evidence anywhere, as well as several eye witness reports. Oh and in case you aren't aware "DTF" stands for "DOWN TO F.UCK"... classy group of ladies.Yes Big Ben had no business being involved but he was and now he's suspended. He's getting his second chance and I'd bank on him making the most of it. I don't give a sh.it if you have a daughter. College sluts are abundant something I can speak on first hand. Women are painted as the weaker sex but in situations like these it's the GIRL with the agenda. PERIOD. SOooo amazingly tired of the "I have a daughter argument" Shut the f.uck up.
EDIT: Those same "innocent young women" viewed Big Ben as a object. A multi-millionaire with a responsibility problem. Oh the innocent slutty co-eds. lol
They may have an agenda but he keeps allowing it to happen. You have no right to be foul-mouthed about it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
They may have an agenda but he keeps allowing it to happen. You have no right to be foul-mouthed about it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Rorbotron said:
Amusing. Is your 9 year old daughter when she's in college going to walk around a bar underage with "DTF" on her shirt? Is she going to follow a NFL superstar through 3 different bars with her own entourage continuously throwing herself at the player in question? Did you happen to read the one former sorority president and now advisors comments in one of the press releases about how most girls that are now members of sororities use alcohol as a means to be sexually aggressive? It's easy to paint this girl as the victim and if all of the above weren't factors maybe she would have actually been a victim. However all of the above was VERY PRESENT and one of the exact reasons there wasn't a case, well that and next to no DNA evidence anywhere, as well as several eye witness reports. Oh and in case you aren't aware "DTF" stands for "DOWN TO F.UCK"... classy group of ladies.Yes Big Ben had no business being involved but he was and now he's suspended. He's getting his second chance and I'd bank on him making the most of it. I don't give a sh.it if you have a daughter. College sluts are abundant something I can speak on first hand. Women are painted as the weaker sex but in situations like these it's the GIRL with the agenda. PERIOD. SOooo amazingly tired of the "I have a daughter argument" Shut the f.uck up.
EDIT: Those same "innocent young women" viewed Big Ben as a object. A multi-millionaire with a responsibility problem. Oh the innocent slutty co-eds. lol
You have to remember that Big Ben is 28 year old, and is an adult. And this is a guy who is supposed to be a role model. He goes into bars and gets girls drunk. Think about it. Who wouldn't want their daughter around this guy?
You have to remember that Big Ben is 28 year old, and is an adult. And this is a guy who is supposed to be a role model. He goes into bars and gets girls drunk. Think about it. Who wouldn't want their daughter around this guy?
He's been given a chance to change and I think he will. I agree 100% on him being a dog in this regard. He tried to pick up my sister two years ago. She told him "she wasn't interested in being a part of the meat market".
He'll come full circle, I whole heartedly believe that and once again Sorry earl for cussing you out.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
You have to remember that Big Ben is 28 year old, and is an adult. And this is a guy who is supposed to be a role model. He goes into bars and gets girls drunk. Think about it. Who wouldn't want their daughter around this guy?
He's been given a chance to change and I think he will. I agree 100% on him being a dog in this regard. He tried to pick up my sister two years ago. She told him "she wasn't interested in being a part of the meat market".
He'll come full circle, I whole heartedly believe that and once again Sorry earl for cussing you out.
Rorbotron said:
He's been given a chance to change and I think he will. I agree 100% on him being a dog in this regard. He tried to pick up my sister two years ago. She told him "she wasn't interested in being a part of the meat market".He'll come full circle, I whole heartedly believe that and once again Sorry earl for cussing you out.
Wait you're serious?
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Rorbotron said:
He's been given a chance to change and I think he will. I agree 100% on him being a dog in this regard. He tried to pick up my sister two years ago. She told him "she wasn't interested in being a part of the meat market".He'll come full circle, I whole heartedly believe that and once again Sorry earl for cussing you out.
Wait you're serious?
Wait you're serious?
Serious about what? That I think he'll change under the suspension and the possibility of ruining his NFL career, absolutely. I don't believe we'll be hearing about Big Ben from a negative stand point in the news again. If we do he's no longer a Pittsburgh Steeler.
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They may have an agenda but he keeps allowing it to happen. You have no right to be foul-mouthed about it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.
Rorbotron said:
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.My wife works in college health. Trust me when I say I know exactly what you're talking about. As much as he was targeted, he also forced the issue. Perhaps he was set up but the point is that this isn't the first time he's found himself in this situation and it's not the first woman who's brought these types of allegations. The daughter argument is irrelevant; you're right. He's been an asshole in his own right (and my having a daughter doesn't change that). This guy has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of responsibility to assume. You have to have your locker room's support. If Ben is this selfish (and I have no problem believing that he is) then his stay in the Burgh won't be for much longer because Tomlin and the Rooneys won't put up with his crap. Reading the affadavits, it's entirely clear that he has no respect for women (whether they deserve it or not).
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Rorbotron said:
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.My wife works in college health. Trust me when I say I know exactly what you're talking about. As much as he was targeted, he also forced the issue. Perhaps he was set up but the point is that this isn't the first time he's found himself in this situation and it's not the first woman who's brought these types of allegations. The daughter argument is irrelevant; you're right. He's been an asshole in his own right (and my having a daughter doesn't change that). This guy has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of responsibility to assume. You have to have your locker room's support. If Ben is this selfish (and I have no problem believing that he is) then his stay in the Burgh won't be for much longer because Tomlin and the Rooneys won't put up with his crap. Reading the affadavits, it's entirely clear that he has no respect for women (whether they deserve it or not).
My wife works in college health. Trust me when I say I know exactly what you're talking about. As much as he was targeted, he also forced the issue. Perhaps he was set up but the point is that this isn't the first time he's found himself in this situation and it's not the first woman who's brought these types of allegations. The daughter argument is irrelevant; you're right. He's been an asshole in his own right (and my having a daughter doesn't change that). This guy has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of responsibility to assume. You have to have your locker room's support. If Ben is this selfish (and I have no problem believing that he is) then his stay in the Burgh won't be for much longer because Tomlin and the Rooneys won't put up with his crap. Reading the affadavits, it's entirely clear that he has no respect for women (whether they deserve it or not).
I just hope it all changes and I think it will, if it doesn't the Steelers will cut him without hesitation. I agree with everything you said by the way. A lot of people in Pittsburgh do.
EDIT: ANd I don't believe the "divided locker room" scenario is a factor any longer. He said a while ago that he was a bad teammate and I believe he's worked hard over the last few years to change that...the stuff popping up involving Porter and Davenport is obviously old.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Looks like Big Bens crumblin down, gotta love it!!
he'll be booed by his own fans next year, I hope his suspension is only 4 games so we can beat his ass
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PS. Why our so many stoohler fan on our board?, its a disgrace. I dont care if some of them are nice. They are steeler fans!!
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ads-on-big-ben/
Once again this isn't news. I imagine the current situation will bring him full circle.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Cant Imagine why it matters so much to YOU .I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
I am the Father of TWO teenaged Girls. I raise them to stay the Hell outta clubs and tell them to Do stuff that you wouldnt mind doing If God himself as standing next to you. Ben Roethlisberger is a Product of our culture. And is FAR from alone.... while NOT a Rapist he is lurking to "get some" ..hmmm.. Thank you Mr. Heffner and those who treat women as objects Yet are Lauded by society. The Freaking HS your Daughter will go to and My Daughters HS has guys like Ben. Trained up by our culture to "Satisfy" thier every whim. And yes let go over WHY Steeler fans frequent your board AGAIN. Stop obsessing with ALL Things Steeler and we will lose interest. Its really that simple.
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