Evolution of the Cleveland Browns
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As much as I love Cribbs, I have to say that, as a fan, Mangini is my favorite Brown.
WOW!
can't decide if that says a lot for EM or not much for our team.
QUOTE (professor_g @ Apr 26 2010, 04:29 PM)
As much as I love Cribbs, I have to say that, as a fan, Mangini is my favorite Brown.
WOW!
can't decide if that says a lot for EM or not much for our team.
Ha, I know it sounds pretty sad. RB is my favorite position, and usually my favorite Brown is just the current RB. But I have to give the nod to Mangini because I found myself thinking just the other day: I NEED a Browns poster for my office wall, and Mangini's got to be in the poster somewhere because nearly everything I like about the current team makes me think of Mangini.
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Mangini inherited a team filled with terribly over-paid CFL talent, drama from underacheiving primadonnas an incredibly ill-equipped yet vocal fan-base, and a 4-12 team with zero cap space. Not to mention a bull's eye on his back from the NFL for his role as a whistle-blower in spygate. How did he respond?
He got as many stand-up, classy, smart, team oriented players on this team in year one as he could. Despite being met with much resistance from the above mentioned primadonnas as well as the fan-base and media, he stuck to his vision all the while assuring us all that it works. And wouldn't you know it, he finished the season with 4 straight wins and a Gatorade bath from players that we were told hated him. At the end of last season players gave off the impression that they did not want the season to end despite only winning 5 games. And now, with the blue-collar core of this team in place and a philosophy and culture completely turned-around he has the support of his players and a roster full of guys who know how to do their jobs.
Enter 2010 draft weekend. With a solid foundation, he has now inserted at least half a dozen bruising, physical, smart young players in very important positions on the team. He is continuing the face-lift of this team and turning us into the type of team we loved in the 80's. Smart, classy, blue-collared, and above all, physical players. And because of the foundation of players laid last year, these young players are now in a much better position to succeed on this team. And do not kid yourselves, this was a Mangini draft. He told Heckert what he was looking for and Heckert delivered.
His vision is becoming clear to everyone even the Grossis of the world. Because of last year, this year was possible. He endured infinte criticism throughout last year and stuck to his guns. Admitting and demonstrating that he didn't care what was said about him, he was going to build a team. And he did. Of course we have yet to see how all of this will translate onto the field but for the first time in a long time, we can see an identity and a culture being put in place in Berea. And it is almost completely credited to what Mangini has done since coming to Cleveland. And it provides plenty of reason to be excited about our team again. Nomore backing into the playoffs like in 2003. Nomore paper tigers like what we saw in 2007. This is becoming a franchise again and we should all be very, very excited about that.
These are my Browns.
*drops the mic*
We have disagreed many times, vociferously, on many topics. This is certainly not one of those times. Good post.
We have disagreed many times, vociferously, on many topics. This is certainly not one of those times. Good post.
and you and I as well, and indeed this was an excellent post...........good times are coming
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and you and I as well, and indeed this was an excellent post...........good times are coming
Stop it! The world is going to end!
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Awesome post, mopaji. One of the best I have read in a long time.
And Gips, I'm glad to see you're willing to adjust your take on Coach Mangini as well. Good times all around.
I know we're all still in the post-draft euphoria, but there is no doubt when you look at the roster from January '09 when Mangini was hired to today there's three common themes: Increased talent, toughness, and intelligence.
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Awesome post, mopaji. One of the best I have read in a long time.
And Gips, I'm glad to see you're willing to adjust your take on Coach Mangini as well. Good times all around.
I know we're all still in the post-draft euphoria, but there is no doubt when you look at the roster from January '09 when Mangini was hired to today there's three common themes: Increased talent, toughness, and intelligence.
Awesome post, mopaji. One of the best I have read in a long time.
And Gips, I'm glad to see you're willing to adjust your take on Coach Mangini as well. Good times all around.
I know we're all still in the post-draft euphoria, but there is no doubt when you look at the roster from January '09 when Mangini was hired to today there's three common themes: Increased talent, toughness, and intelligence.
Agreed, but you forgot another 2...character & discipline. We certainly have a much stronger foundation upon which to build, don't we?
It's funny (actually sad), but in years past, I used to look at the draft & question so many moves. In this one, my tendency was to do a little research after seeing the pick, & then understanding why it was made. This has been a very logical & well thought out maneuver. Good stuff!
Mike
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I have a question that maybe someone who knows the situation can answer. Did Mangini lose the jets team? Did they quit on him?
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I have a question that maybe someone who knows the situation can answer. Did Mangini lose the jets team? Did they quit on him?
Dawgfanforever88 said:
I have a question that maybe someone who knows the situation can answer. Did Mangini lose the jets team? Did they quit on him?Here's my opinion (I'll probably get blasted for it). I think the Jets, IF they quit, quit on their "on field" leader...Brett Favre, who seems to care more for his own stats/legacy than his team's success these days. Had he looked at the good of his team rather than his consecutive start streak, they most likely would have made the playoffs. Should Mangini have yanked him?...Probably, but I believe he has learned from that.
Just my opinion.
Mike
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
I have a question that maybe someone who knows the situation can answer. Did Mangini lose the jets team? Did they quit on him?Here's my opinion (I'll probably get blasted for it). I think the Jets, IF they quit, quit on their "on field" leader...Brett Favre, who seems to care more for his own stats/legacy than his team's success these days. Had he looked at the good of his team rather than his consecutive start streak, they most likely would have made the playoffs. Should Mangini have yanked him?...Probably, but I believe he has learned from that.
Just my opinion.
Mike
Here's my opinion (I'll probably get blasted for it). I think the Jets, IF they quit, quit on their "on field" leader...Brett Favre, who seems to care more for his own stats/legacy than his team's success these days. Had he looked at the good of his team rather than his consecutive start streak, they most likely would have made the playoffs. Should Mangini have yanked him?...Probably, but I believe he has learned from that.
Just my opinion.
Mike
I think you're right. Brett with the Jets was never about the team. He never wanted to be there in the first place. His speech to the huddle before the last game of the year (win and you're in) was LESS than inspiring. When Mangini was fired, the team leaders were hacked (Faneca, Kris Jenkins, Thomas Jones, Leon, etc). As for yanking Favre, I don't know of too many NFL coaches who'd show that kind of power (ie., it's a lose-lose proposition). No one throws a hissy-fit like Brett.
I would offer you this: Have you ever seen a 1-11 team playing in miserable weather for a seemingly lame duck coach play for him like the Browns did last December? Of the Jets or Browns who've ever complained about Mangini, where they star players and team leaders or where they malcontents and marginal players who likely didn't like being pushed all that hard? Think about it.
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I'm the orginal Mangini cheerleader, The Browns look and are run like a professional football team should be run, Mangini came in with his vision and did some dirty work straightening out this colossal mess that was the Cleveland Browns..Cap Hell..bad character,overpaid, malcontents ruled the locker room..Hopefully Heckert and Holmgren recognized there job coming in was made a WHOLE lot easy because EM took out the trash. .I am proud of the Cleveland Browns because they are good role models,hard working, old school athletes..I'm excited about our team and am so looking forward to this season.
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Two words:
'Dawgpound Mike'
One word:
'Tool'
Give Lerner some credit for not pulling the trigger on Mangini after our so-called 'Fan Representative' campaigned against Mangin.
epic fail
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Two words:
'Dawgpound Mike'
One word:
'Tool'
Give Lerner some credit for not pulling the trigger on Mangini after our so-called 'Fan Representative' campaigned against Mangin.
epic fail
Two words:
'Dawgpound Mike'
One word:
'Tool'
Give Lerner some credit for not pulling the trigger on Mangini after our so-called 'Fan Representative' campaigned against Mangin.
epic fail
I love how if you wear a costume or have had season tickets for 10 or more years you are suddenly qualified to speak on the Browns as if you know something based on your tenure alone. As soon as somebody starts their statement with "I've been a season ticket holder for ___ years" I know they are about to spew a bunch of nonsense. If you wait until the end to announce your devotion, then you have much more credibility. Attention Dawg Pound Mike! You cannot purchase fandom!
I hope I'm not offending anybody here but Dawg Pound Mike is an absolute douche bag of a fan. He sounded like a casual female fan trying to relate to her boyfriend so he will include her in his Sunday plans. He has the same perspective on the team as any local female bartender. No disrespect to female bartenders, in fact, you are one of my all time favorite groups of people.
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Two words:
'Dawgpound Mike'
One word:
'Tool'
Give Lerner some credit for not pulling the trigger on Mangini after our so-called 'Fan Representative' campaigned against Mangin.
epic fail
I love how if you wear a costume or have had season tickets for 10 or more years you are suddenly qualified to speak on the Browns as if you know something based on your tenure alone. As soon as somebody starts their statement with "I've been a season ticket holder for ___ years" I know they are about to spew a bunch of nonsense. If you wait until the end to announce your devotion, then you have much more credibility. Attention Dawg Pound Mike! You cannot purchase fandom!
I hope I'm not offending anybody here but Dawg Pound Mike is an absolute douche bag of a fan. He sounded like a casual female fan trying to relate to her boyfriend so he will include her in his Sunday plans. He has the same perspective on the team as any local female bartender. No disrespect to female bartenders, in fact, you are one of my all time favorite groups of people.
I love how if you wear a costume or have had season tickets for 10 or more years you are suddenly qualified to speak on the Browns as if you know something based on your tenure alone. As soon as somebody starts their statement with "I've been a season ticket holder for ___ years" I know they are about to spew a bunch of nonsense. If you wait until the end to announce your devotion, then you have much more credibility. Attention Dawg Pound Mike! You cannot purchase fandom!
I hope I'm not offending anybody here but Dawg Pound Mike is an absolute douche bag of a fan. He sounded like a casual female fan trying to relate to her boyfriend so he will include her in his Sunday plans. He has the same perspective on the team as any local female bartender. No disrespect to female bartenders, in fact, you are one of my all time favorite groups of people.
i've been a season ticket holder for over 20 years, i can tell you that you're right about Dawg Pound Mike.
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Maybe they'll pull his season tickets...hahahahahaha
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Honestly, I liked Mangini even as head coach of the Jets. I'm not a Jets fan at all, but I enjoyed most of the Mangini vs. Belichick hype in the media (though spygate got pretty dull there for a while) and nearly always favored Mangini.
There is one issue that I still wonder about: Was Belichick wrong to demand of Mangini (as friend) that he not go to the Jets or was Mangini wrong to go there in spite of his friend's demands? If they really were close, as it seems they were, then at least one of them abandoned the friendship over this decision. You might want to say that the opportunity was too great; the friendship had to be sacrificed. On the other hand, you might think that Mangini owed too much to Belichick to go against his wishes on the matter. Not sure what to say.
In any case these days I enjoy hating the Jets.
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Honestly, I liked Mangini even as head coach of the Jets. I'm not a Jets fan at all, but I enjoyed most of the Mangini vs. Belichick hype in the media (though spygate got pretty dull there for a while) and nearly always favored Mangini.
There is one issue that I still wonder about: Was Belichick wrong to demand of Mangini (as friend) that he not go to the Jets or was Mangini wrong to go there in spite of his friend's demands? If they really were close, as it seems they were, then at least one of them abandoned the friendship over this decision. You might want to say that the opportunity was too great; the friendship had to be sacrificed. On the other hand, you might think that Mangini owed too much to Belichick to go against his wishes on the matter. Not sure what to say.
In any case these days I enjoy hating the Jets.
Honestly, I liked Mangini even as head coach of the Jets. I'm not a Jets fan at all, but I enjoyed most of the Mangini vs. Belichick hype in the media (though spygate got pretty dull there for a while) and nearly always favored Mangini.
There is one issue that I still wonder about: Was Belichick wrong to demand of Mangini (as friend) that he not go to the Jets or was Mangini wrong to go there in spite of his friend's demands? If they really were close, as it seems they were, then at least one of them abandoned the friendship over this decision. You might want to say that the opportunity was too great; the friendship had to be sacrificed. On the other hand, you might think that Mangini owed too much to Belichick to go against his wishes on the matter. Not sure what to say.
In any case these days I enjoy hating the Jets.
Nobody owes anybody anything. When you're 34 years old and an NFL team offers you a head coaching position, you'd be nuts not to take it. I think that Belichick's sulking over it has proven to represent more of a fear of Mangini on his part rather than a general attitude of not wanting an assistant to coach in your division. Subsequent Mangini-Belichick matchups have borne out that he has every right to be afraid of Eric. When last they met, Mangini's Jets beat Belichick's Pats in prime time in Foxboro.
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