Survey Monday, belated Mother's Day

The Gipper

@mudratdetector said:
the beach boys are far from terrible or gay, but there is much better surf guitar music from that era.
this is an incredible disc:

Well, Dick Dale would probably be the king of surf guitar....but it was the Beach Boys vocals, not their guitar sound that were their trademark. But see this:

CLEVELandMILIDH

@the-gipper said:
Yea, right. The entire culture of the blonde bikini clad surf girl was conjured up by the Beach Boys who had more women available to them than you could imagine, and they're gay. Sure. Keep thinking Butch.

Not gay as in fag, gay as in happy. Haha no I just dont like there sound, a little before my time. You said who doesnt like the beach boys, well I dont but if I was older I might dig it...nah probably not

Icemann778

I have hopes that the third one will be much better than this one

The Gipper

nmills said:
Not gay as in fag, gay as in happy. Haha no I just dont like there sound, a little before my time. You said who doesnt like the beach boys, well I dont but if I was older I might dig it...nah probably not

WTF does age or being before your time have to do with it? Am I supposed to NOT like today's music just because I am older? I like plenty of today's music.

I mean, Mozart made his music in the 1700s. should we not still enjoy his stuff because it is "old"? Good music generally transcends time.

CLEVELandMILIDH

@the-gipper said:
WTF does age or being before your time have to do with it? Am I supposed to NOT like today's music just because I am older? I like plenty of today's music.
I mean, Mozart made his music in the 1700s. should we not still enjoy his stuff because it is "old"? Good music generally transcends time
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Age has everything to do with it, music changes with every generation. I respect them for what they did, they have some catchy tunes its just not my style.

The Gipper

nmills said:
Age has everything to do with it, music changes with every generation. I respect them for what they did, they have some catchy tunes its just not my style.

You must be extremely young and naive to believe what you just said. An occasional new type genre comes along, like rap, that sounds a little different, but the basics of music have NOT changed from generation to generation. A good tune is a good tune whether it was made last year or 100 years ago. The only difference is that the new tune is....well, new. There isn't that much difference between what Miley Cyrus sings and what Leslie Gore sange. There have been some slight improvements in technology, but believe it or not, that has not always actually improved the songwriting.

I am not a musician, but I suspect that those who are will tell you that the structure/texture of most popular songs written

today is really no different than it was 50 or more years ago.

You want evidence? Look at one of the most popular music venues out there right now: American Idol. Let's see. That is a 2010 TV show with the largest ratings to a 2010 youth market. What were at least 3 of the themes of their recent shows?: Music by the Beatles/Lennon/McCartney, music by the Rolling Stones, and music by Frank Sinatra.

We just bought the Adam Lambert CD. His vocal stylings are very reminiscent of Freddie Mercury. Lamber has some good tunes, but Queen, I believe, wrote better songs than are on that album. But, in reality, you could have taken the songs Queen wrote 35 years ago and had Lambert sing them and they would have been just as good or better than what he put out. And you could have taken Mercury and have him sing Lambert's tunes and that would have been good too.

Again, though, as I said, I am no musician so I cannot speak to the technicalities involved but I am sure someone here can.

MudratDetector

i'm 25 and for the most part can't stand contemporary music. there are good bands out there but they rarely show up on mainstream radio.

CLEVELandMILIDH

Im also 25, naw music hasnt changed over time Im just young and dum

The Gipper

nmills said:
Im also 25, naw music hasnt changed over time Im just young and dum

You are right on both counts. The "Tool" song is nothing but warmed over Hendrix and Steppenwolf and Alice Cooper that they were putting out in the mid 60s. The stop action animation of that video is the same thing Gumby and Pokey were back in the 50s. Some of the technology is improved, but that is about it.

The Gipper

In fact, here you go for your comparison. This was 40 some years ago:

DieHardBrownsFan

I think all music today sucks. That's it. If you don't agree, I don't care. The best music was in the 60's and 70's. Some 80's music included. But, if you ask my mother who is 85, she will tell you the best music was in the 40's and 50's, some 60's.

NewEraDawg

I just ordered "Let it bleed " rolling stones . Tell you anything . It was only about $8

The Gipper

And yo, these guys with their "harmonies" are greatly influenced by the likes of The Beach Boys:

The Gipper

In fact, Tool seems like they may have done some ripping off of the likes of this, circa 1971:

Speedyd900rr

I remember working at Geauga Lake in the water section when I was 16 and all they played from open to close was the Beach Boys. After 8 non stop hours of that I was ready to go insane.

The Gipper

@speedyd900rr said:
I remember working at Geauga Lake in the water section when I was 16 and all they played from open to close was the Beach Boys. After 8 non stop hours of that I was ready to go insane.

Well too much of even a good thing is still too much.

By the way, you think things are so "new". Here is the original rapper, circa about 1966 or so:

So, whatever they are doing in rock or rap or whatever, they were doing it years and years and years ago. Have technologies been tweeked? Sure, some. But at heart the music is basically the same.

CLEVELandMILIDH

@diehardbrownsfan said:
I think all music today sucks. That's it. If you don't agree, I don't care. The best music was in the 60's and 70's. Some 80's music included. But, if you ask my mother who is 85, she will tell you the best music was in the 40's and 50's, some 60's.

my point exactly

CLEVELandMILIDH

Gipper every artist has influences,Im sure if i dug deep enough I could find somebody the Beach boys have immulated. But you can use a concept that has already been done and sound completely different. With a drummer, basses, guitarist, and singer you can compare every band if you wanted to, its the sound that they make as a group that seperates genre's. If you had no idea who the Beach Boys were and I played them for you today, you would think it was made 50 years ago. You can tell buy the sound if it was from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's. For you to deny that is mind boggling

CLEVELandMILIDH

Just sall you comparing Beach Boys and Bone Thugs N Harmony, haha thats great. I dont see it....its music, I guess thats compareable.

kshutchins

@diehardbrownsfan said:
I think all music today sucks. That's it. If you don't agree, I don't care. The best music was in the 60's and 70's. Some 80's music included. But, if you ask my mother who is 85, she will tell you the best music was in the 40's and 50's, some 60's.

This is one of the silliest arguments I've ever seen here. I own music from all of those decades and a fair amount from the last few decades as well. There are musical genres that are not in my collection but not many. I have less of the current music because I don't have as much of an opportunity to listen to it and discover what I like. I have a lot of music from the 60's and 70's because that's when I had a lot of time to sit around listening to music and thumbing through the bins at the music store. I suspect much of my favorite music has less to do with the quality and more to do with the happy memories associated with it. I learned to love classical music, opera, jazz and the big bands by spending happy times with my parents. I shared the 60's and 70's music with lots of good friends. I have Satriani and several other musicians in my collection because I spent time listening to them when my son was studying guitar. I have mixed feelings about polka music because I loved dancing at weddings but didn't like being forced to watch Polka Varieties every Sunday.

The Beach Boys were the perfect complement to all the beach movies and the discovery of the joys of surfing. I think if any of us had a party with a beach/surfing theme, most of the guests would enjoy the Beach Boys music as a complement to the theme.

I spent countless hours as a young girl listening to The Lettermen and daydreaming about how I might some day meet the love of my life. That music no longer appeals to me as it did then but that doesn't reflect on the musicianship of its creators.

We like what we like for a variety of reasons. It doesn't really matter WHY we like it but I would argue that it's not nearly as simple as what age a person is.