Brian Daboll
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i'm very optimistic to.
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I'm thinking there will be progress shown by Dabol and Mangini this season given the changes made on staff , both player side , as well as on the front office staff . A year of experiance on Dabol's part and the new players , and with Big Show and Gil Haskel helping on the offensive side it is my hope that everone gels and gets it going early .
Success breeds success .
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Bottom line is I think people tend to overestimate OC's in that they can't work miricales.
I can't think of one OC who was considered good who had crappy players.
Offense from one team to team isn't all that different. They run the same stock plays that have been run for 50 years.
Some plays are plays you expect 3-4 yards....good teams get 3-4 yards....poor teams don't.
When you are a OC on team where you are expected to pull plays out of the book that have to get you 8 yards, you are going to be viewed as a crummy OC.
This guy has studied and worked under good coaches. He knows what he is doing.
Give him players who can execute and gain 4 yards on 1st down and he will look great. Keep him strapped with players who can't, he won't.
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I pretty much agree peen but the one thing that has bugged me about the "new" Browns is that we have had inexperienced coordinators for the most part....
With the exception of Fazio and Ariens our coordinators have been learning on the job....
IMO, the good CO's adapt to what is happening on the field on game day....
Dabol still has to prove he belongs, the talent is getting better and he also has to get better...
Peace
T.Dawg
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Daboll's wife might get pissed that he compared the way the team rallied at the end to having another kid! lol
Does anyone think the new nickname of Cribbsy is going to stick outside of the team environment.
And Daboll is going to kill himself with that Whoppers and Coke diet with little sleep if we have another bad season. I guess we better win more!
Good article. It's nice to read all the positive that keep coming out about the team.
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Bottom line is I think people tend to overestimate OC's in that they can't work miricales.
I can't think of one OC who was considered good who had crappy players.
Offense from one team to team isn't all that different. They run the same stock plays that have been run for 50 years.
Some plays are plays you expect 3-4 yards....good teams get 3-4 yards....poor teams don't.
When you are a OC on team where you are expected to pull plays out of the book that have to get you 8 yards, you are going to be viewed as a crummy OC.
This guy has studied and worked under good coaches. He knows what he is doing.
Give him players who can execute and gain 4 yards on 1st down and he will look great. Keep him strapped with players who can't, he won't.
Bottom line is I think people tend to overestimate OC's in that they can't work miricales.
I can't think of one OC who was considered good who had crappy players.
Offense from one team to team isn't all that different. They run the same stock plays that have been run for 50 years.
Some plays are plays you expect 3-4 yards....good teams get 3-4 yards....poor teams don't.
When you are a OC on team where you are expected to pull plays out of the book that have to get you 8 yards, you are going to be viewed as a crummy OC.
This guy has studied and worked under good coaches. He knows what he is doing.
Give him players who can execute and gain 4 yards on 1st down and he will look great. Keep him strapped with players who can't, he won't.
Couldn't disagree more. Playcalling is everything and Daboll sucks at it. Of course if nobody can catch the ball your screwed no matter what but assuming you can do the basics then it's all about making the right calls at the right time. Haskel and Holmgren will help alot imo.
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Bottom line is I think people tend to overestimate OC's in that they can't work miricales.
I can't think of one OC who was considered good who had crappy players.
Offense from one team to team isn't all that different. They run the same stock plays that have been run for 50 years.
Some plays are plays you expect 3-4 yards....good teams get 3-4 yards....poor teams don't.
When you are a OC on team where you are expected to pull plays out of the book that have to get you 8 yards, you are going to be viewed as a crummy OC.
This guy has studied and worked under good coaches. He knows what he is doing.
Give him players who can execute and gain 4 yards on 1st down and he will look great. Keep him strapped with players who can't, he won't.
Couldn't disagree more. Playcalling is everything and Daboll sucks at it. Of course if nobody can catch the ball your screwed no matter what but assuming you can do the basics then it's all about making the right calls at the right time. Haskel and Holmgren will help alot imo.
Couldn't disagree more. Playcalling is everything and Daboll sucks at it. Of course if nobody can catch the ball your screwed no matter what but assuming you can do the basics then it's all about making the right calls at the right time. Haskel and Holmgren will help alot imo.
It still boils down to players.
Sure playcalling is important, but it isn't everything as you state..and why does Dabol suck at it??(he doesn't)
A poor play call with perfect execution can work. The perfect play with poor execution doesn't.....so explain to me why playcalling is everything.
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Being an OC in the nfl means being the guy who often with help from his assistants and input from the HC designs the offensive playbook and then when the HC approves of said playbook ultimately the OC calls the offenses plays that will be used against a particular club on sunday, however an OC and his assistant are also largely responsible for offensive play/plan adjustment on the fly or in more simple terms "matching wits" with the opposing DC for onfield domination the HC and assists upstairs (if any) can and often help here...
What fundamental and essential gifts i look for in a potentially successful OC are in order as follows:
(1)Creative play design that caters to your available players strengths..
(2)Strong player evaluation skills and an open ear...(see above)
(3)Creativity...needed with every aspect of the job
(4)Gameplan adjustment (decision making both pre-game and on the fly)
(5)Cunning and clever mind to out think and respond quickly to defensive adjustments to gain an advantage...
(6)Trust in your gameplan and have faith in the playmakers to get it done..
Many of these things somewhat overlap due to the nature of the job and not every OC has the exact same responsibilities, with that said these are the things that an OC needs to possess from the get go or figure out within his first year in my opinion to make a strong candidate for OC..
And in my mind daboll lacked them all..and obviously MH didnt feel so good about his natural abilities either and wisely or unwisely opted to bring gil haskell in to try and teach the dimwit instead of hurting mangini's feelings by asking mangini to send daboll packing in favor of a skilled OC...
And in the process i think mangini has tied his own future to daboll by pulling for him as it should be...
Lets just hope that underneath the short, stupid looking and impatient temperamental disposition lies an offensive genuis but i wouldnt bank on it...
And while players and their skillsets are very important its equally important for an OC to plan and design around the talent he has and build on it from there, daboll failed to connect the dots and the opposing defenses had no problem with stacking the box realizing that almost all our play were going to be the same 5 or so vanilla "safe" short plays...
While our talent was bad our OCing was far worse with no decisive or even timely on the fly adjustments or even any creativity in our flash package...by being over conservative due to a lack of good creative playcalling and a lack of confidence in player talent this coaching regime as a whole chose to play to lose as opposed to just letting it rip and taking chances and playing to win..oh thats right, you have to have a risk package that matches player strengths in your playbook to do that! Silly me...
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
Well I guess that was some interesting evaluating , but I feel some anti Mangini ingredients has tainted the synopsis for me .
He had very little to work with on the personel side , with a lot of player resentment on the other . I will give him another year with some fresh talent to go along with the help he is recieving , before I will be convinced that he is a bust . But thanks for your opinion .
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Being an OC in the nfl means being the guy who often with help from his assistants and input from the HC designs the offensive playbook and then when the HC approves of said playbook ultimately the OC calls the offenses plays that will be used against a particular club on sunday, however an OC and his assistant are also largely responsible for offensive play/plan adjustment on the fly or in more simple terms "matching wits" with the opposing DC for onfield domination the HC and assists upstairs (if any) can and often help here...
What fundamental and essential gifts i look for in a potentially successful OC are in order as follows:
(1)Creative play design that caters to your available players strengths..
(2)Strong player evaluation skills and an open ear...(see above)
(3)Creativity...needed with every aspect of the job
(4)Gameplan adjustment (decision making both pre-game and on the fly)
(5)Cunning and clever mind to out think and respond quickly to defensive adjustments to gain an advantage...
(6)Trust in your gameplan and have faith in the playmakers to get it done..
Many of these things somewhat overlap due to the nature of the job and not every OC has the exact same responsibilities, with that said these are the things that an OC needs to possess from the get go or figure out within his first year in my opinion to make a strong candidate for OC..
And in my mind daboll lacked them all..and obviously MH didnt feel so good about his natural abilities either and wisely or unwisely opted to bring gil haskell in to try and teach the dimwit instead of hurting mangini's feelings by asking mangini to send daboll packing in favor of a skilled OC...
And in the process i think mangini has tied his own future to daboll by pulling for him as it should be...
Lets just hope that underneath the short, stupid looking and impatient temperamental disposition lies an offensive genuis but i wouldnt bank on it...
And while players and their skillsets are very important its equally important for an OC to plan and design around the talent he has and build on it from there, daboll failed to connect the dots and the opposing defenses had no problem with stacking the box realizing that almost all our play were going to be the same 5 or so vanilla "safe" short plays...
While our talent was bad our OCing was far worse with no decisive or even timely on the fly adjustments or even any creativity in our flash package...by being over conservative due to a lack of good creative playcalling and a lack of confidence in player talent this coaching regime as a whole chose to play to lose as opposed to just letting it rip and taking chances and playing to win..oh thats right, you have to have a risk package that matches player strengths in your playbook to do that! Silly me...
Being an OC in the nfl means being the guy who often with help from his assistants and input from the HC designs the offensive playbook and then when the HC approves of said playbook ultimately the OC calls the offenses plays that will be used against a particular club on sunday, however an OC and his assistant are also largely responsible for offensive play/plan adjustment on the fly or in more simple terms "matching wits" with the opposing DC for onfield domination the HC and assists upstairs (if any) can and often help here...
What fundamental and essential gifts i look for in a potentially successful OC are in order as follows:
(1)Creative play design that caters to your available players strengths..
(2)Strong player evaluation skills and an open ear...(see above)
(3)Creativity...needed with every aspect of the job
(4)Gameplan adjustment (decision making both pre-game and on the fly)
(5)Cunning and clever mind to out think and respond quickly to defensive adjustments to gain an advantage...
(6)Trust in your gameplan and have faith in the playmakers to get it done..
Many of these things somewhat overlap due to the nature of the job and not every OC has the exact same responsibilities, with that said these are the things that an OC needs to possess from the get go or figure out within his first year in my opinion to make a strong candidate for OC..
And in my mind daboll lacked them all..and obviously MH didnt feel so good about his natural abilities either and wisely or unwisely opted to bring gil haskell in to try and teach the dimwit instead of hurting mangini's feelings by asking mangini to send daboll packing in favor of a skilled OC...
And in the process i think mangini has tied his own future to daboll by pulling for him as it should be...
Lets just hope that underneath the short, stupid looking and impatient temperamental disposition lies an offensive genuis but i wouldnt bank on it...
And while players and their skillsets are very important its equally important for an OC to plan and design around the talent he has and build on it from there, daboll failed to connect the dots and the opposing defenses had no problem with stacking the box realizing that almost all our play were going to be the same 5 or so vanilla "safe" short plays...
While our talent was bad our OCing was far worse with no decisive or even timely on the fly adjustments or even any creativity in our flash package...by being over conservative due to a lack of good creative playcalling and a lack of confidence in player talent this coaching regime as a whole chose to play to lose as opposed to just letting it rip and taking chances and playing to win..oh thats right, you have to have a risk package that matches player strengths in your playbook to do that! Silly me...
I'd agree with you accept that Daboll didn't have a QB that could do anything but 5 short vanilla plays. Besides, the last 4 games, we basically lined up to run, the teams were stacking 9 in the box, and we still blew them up. I don't care if the other teams were typically terrible against the run. We shouldn't have been able to run THAT well given everything.
While I agree that Daboll had a tough learning curve his first season, its not like he's an idiot. He's a skilled coach. Give him talent that works well together and has a strong leader, and he will shine. Give him what he had last year, and you see the result. I don't care if he had freakin Tom Moore or Bill Walsh, it wouldn't have been pretty.
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