Cleveland Browns 2010 mandatory mini-camp
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...awson_show.html
CLEVELAND -- Browns kicker Phil Dawson showed up for minicamp today, but fullback Lawrence Vickers, three other restricted free agents and running back Peyton Hillis were absent.
The other restricted free agents not here are linebackers D'Qwell Jackson and Matt Roth, and safety Abe Elam. Jackson is heading too Africa for a few weeks to help a friend open his school, Elam is weighing his options and Roth has asked to be traded.
Vickers is a surprise, because he attended organized team activities this week and said he planned to attend the mandatory minicamp. The RFAs are not being fined because they're not under contract. Dawson could've been docked $9,000 per day for not showing.
Hillis has been ill and wasn't seen on the field for the final two weeks of OTAs and now minicamp. The nature of his illness is not yet known.
Three of the missing restricted free agents are represented by high-profile agent Drew Rosenhaus -- Vickers, Elam and Roth.
Dawson did the same thing last season -- boycotted voluntary OTAs and then showed up for minicamp. He is believed to be seeking a new, long-term deal.
The RFAs have until Tuesday to sign their one-year tenders.
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i'm sick of players like matt roth. he pulled the same crap with miami and didn't get his way there. now he's trying to pull the same stunt in cleveland. i guess some people never learn.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...lis-absent-too/
Four Browns skip mandatory camp, Hillis absent too
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 10, 2010 11:40 AM ET
Abe Elam isn't the only unsigned Cleveland Brown to skip mandatory minicamp this weekend.
Fullback Lawrence Vickers, linebacker Matt Roth, and linebacker D'Qwell Jackson are all absent, according to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. Vickers' absence is a surprise because he was at a voluntary practice this week, and said he would attend.
Kicker Phil Dawson, who has skipped most of the offseason in hopes of a new contract, did show up. So did restricted free agent running back Jerome Harrison.
Fullback Peyton Hillis was absent for mysterious reasons. He has an illness that prevented him from practicing the last two weeks. (That doesn't sound good.) It's unclear what type of illness has kept him out of action so long.
The Browns can't be happy about all the absences, but they can't do much about them since the players are unsigned. The organization ultimately made a tactical mistake by not holding the mandatory minicamp after the June 15 deadline for RFAs to sign their deals.
Good news is that Phil and Harrison showed up. Only bad news here is Vickers is a no show. I think we'll be fine without DQ and Roth with our new depth.
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i'm sick of players like matt roth. he pulled the same crap with miami and didn't get his way there. now he's trying to pull the same stunt in cleveland. i guess some people never learn.
i'm sick of players like matt roth. he pulled the same crap with miami and didn't get his way there. now he's trying to pull the same stunt in cleveland. i guess some people never learn.
I don't understand how the guy thinks he has leverage? We've loaded up on the position, DRAFTED for the position and hold all the cards. I'm fine with guys trying to maximize their deals when it is free agency time but there comes a point in time to realize you're beat and sign on the dotted line. You play well for a full season Mr. Roth and these Browns will pay you. He's a tough guy who should be smart and sign now so he can quit wasting time and get on the practice field. I have a feeling this guy will be the last to sign however.....
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i'm sick of players like matt roth. he pulled the same crap with miami and didn't get his way there. now he's trying to pull the same stunt in cleveland. i guess some people never learn.
I don't understand how the guy thinks he has leverage? We've loaded up on the position, DRAFTED for the position and hold all the cards. I'm fine with guys trying to maximize their deals when it is free agency time but there comes a point in time to realize you're beat and sign on the dotted line. You play well for a full season Mr. Roth and these Browns will pay you. He's a tough guy who should be smart and sign now so he can quit wasting time and get on the practice field. I have a feeling this guy will be the last to sign however.....
I don't understand how the guy thinks he has leverage? We've loaded up on the position, DRAFTED for the position and hold all the cards. I'm fine with guys trying to maximize their deals when it is free agency time but there comes a point in time to realize you're beat and sign on the dotted line. You play well for a full season Mr. Roth and these Browns will pay you. He's a tough guy who should be smart and sign now so he can quit wasting time and get on the practice field. I have a feeling this guy will be the last to sign however.....
these type of players let their money grubbing agents feed their brains all of this crap and they soak it up thinking the world revolves around them. this is roth's second time around, you would think he gets the picture now. we shall see.
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Any of these guys holding out needs to be punished beyond fines because none of them has a legit reason to not be there jackson included...no excuses get in there and get with the program or sit the season with lesser pay and huge maximal daily fines for not attending camp..i fully support any action coach mangini/heckert/holmgren smack on these me first less than team loyal idiots..
I like roth but like others on here i dont see him having the leverage or the time on the field to warrant a multi year contract and i am really not liking his attitude towards the club..
Elam i wish would just go away the guy is at his very best tough but mediocre with no speed and poor coverage skill over the top or over the middle and pathetic ground coverage and tackling ability allowing RBs to bolt right past him...
Vickers i expected to be there..disappointing..
Jackson should be traded he could be an outstanding LB in the right system but not ours..
Im glad to see phil and jerome turn up..the only 2 true keepers in the lot of em..a real team player cant miss the mandatory.. salutes to these 2 guys and may their efforts be proven then rewarded!
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After knowing what Roth did to miami and seeing him do the same to us; im not sure I want him on the team.
Vickers, Im disappointed but I still feel positive about him after showing up for the voluntary camps.
Dawson needs to be resigned. If we cant re-sign our most reliable and long running player it speaks bad about us.
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according to wknr, vickers is at camp. he was late due to a personal situation. way to go vickers! it's good to see that some guys honor their promises.
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After knowing what Roth did to miami and seeing him do the same to us; im not sure I want him on the team.
Vickers, Im disappointed but I still feel positive about him after showing up for the voluntary camps.
Dawson needs to be resigned. If we cant re-sign our most reliable and long running player it speaks bad about us.
After knowing what Roth did to miami and seeing him do the same to us; im not sure I want him on the team.
Vickers, Im disappointed but I still feel positive about him after showing up for the voluntary camps.
Dawson needs to be resigned. If we cant re-sign our most reliable and long running player it speaks bad about us.
i agree with you, bi. if roth is going to be like that, he can get the hell out of here.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...r_phil_d_1.html
BEREA, Ohio -- Observations from the first day of Browns minicamp:
* Kicker Phil Dawson showed up after missing all the team's organized team activities practices. Afterwards, Dawson admitted he has to work off some rustiness. He missed one field goal wide left and made two others. Distances were hard to determine because of the position of the fields and restrictions on where the media is allowed to watch. It looked as if the miss and one of his makes were from 50 yards.
* Dawson politely declined to answer any questions about his contract status. He seemed to have the attitude that what you don't say speaks louder. Dawson is in the last year of his contract with a base salary of $1 million. That puts him in the bottom half of NFL kickers.
* Not a great outing for the offense. Quarterback Jake Delhomme was not sharp, throwing one pass behind tight end Evan Moore that was intercepted by Ray Ventrone and having another batted down. A deep ball thrown by Delhomme fluttered and floated but was caught by Mohamed Massaquoi. The other quarterbacks weren't particularly impressive, either. It just didn't look like the offense was in rhythm.
* The safeties on the No. 1 defense were Ventrone and Mike Adams.
* Fullback Lawrence Vickers was excused to be about an hour late due to personal obligations.
* Vickers and running back Jerome Harrison were the only unsigned restricted free agents in attendance. As expected, safety Abram Elam, linebacker D'Qwell Jackson and linebacker Matt Roth were no-shows. Also, running back Peyton Hillis was absent due to an undisclosed illness.
* The No. 1 offensive line unit was the same as Monday's OTA -- Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Alex Mack, Floyd Womack and John St. Clair.
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* The No. 1 offensive line unit was the same as Monday's OTA -- Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Alex Mack, Floyd Womack and John St. Clair.
I don't understand the fascination with John St. Clair, I'm fine with him as a backup OT, but is Pashos seriously not better than him?
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* The No. 1 offensive line unit was the same as Monday's OTA -- Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Alex Mack, Floyd Womack and John St. Clair.
I don't understand the fascination with John St. Clair, I'm fine with him as a backup OT, but is Pashos seriously not better than him?
I don't understand the fascination with John St. Clair, I'm fine with him as a backup OT, but is Pashos seriously not better than him?
i don't know if we should read too much into this. i know steinbach was doing alot of work with the 2s in the otas prior to today.
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sheldon brown is going to be on wknr with reghi after the commercial break for those that have access to that station.
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After knowing what Roth did to miami and seeing him do the same to us; im not sure I want him on the team.
Vickers, Im disappointed but I still feel positive about him after showing up for the voluntary camps.
Dawson needs to be resigned. If we cant re-sign our most reliable and long running player it speaks bad about us.
i agree with you, bi. if roth is going to be like that, he can get the hell out of here.
i agree with you, bi. if roth is going to be like that, he can get the hell out of here.
The problem with doing that is it sends a message to the players that if you wine and cry enough that you want a new contract or want traded it will happen.
There setting the bar on how there going to handle player contracts so players know in the future that they must honor there contract and no matter how much complaining
they do it wont change
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
* The No. 1 offensive line unit was the same as Monday's OTA -- Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Alex Mack, Floyd Womack and John St. Clair.
I don't understand the fascination with John St. Clair, I'm fine with him as a backup OT, but is Pashos seriously not better than him?
I don't understand the fascination with John St. Clair, I'm fine with him as a backup OT, but is Pashos seriously not better than him?
Mangini understands competition, he brought Pashos in to beat out St. Clair, but that doesnt happen without pads on. Same with Ventrone and Adams on 1st team defense, he's gonna make Asante and Ward beat them out and earn there spot.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
i agree with you, bi. if roth is going to be like that, he can get the hell out of here.
The problem with doing that is it sends a message to the players that if you wine and cry enough that you want a new contract or want traded it will happen.
There setting the bar on how there going to handle player contracts so players know in the future that they must honor there contract and no matter how much complaining
they do it wont change
nmills said:
The problem with doing that is it sends a message to the players that if you wine and cry enough that you want a new contract or want traded it will happen.There setting the bar on how there going to handle player contracts so players know in the future that they must honor there contract and no matter how much complaining
they do it wont change
We do not mean to say that we must acquiesce to their wishes. But rather not offer them a contract and make them sit for one year till the realize that their trade value and salary is going to go down if they dont get playing time. If he was smart he should have came out when the chance to trade him was still there. He waited thinking that this way he will have the upper hand in this situation. too bad for him.
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i agree with you, bi. if roth is going to be like that, he can get the hell out of here.
The problem with doing that is it sends a message to the players that if you wine and cry enough that you want a new contract or want traded it will happen.
There setting the bar on how there going to handle player contracts so players know in the future that they must honor there contract and no matter how much complaining
they do it wont change
nmills said:
The problem with doing that is it sends a message to the players that if you wine and cry enough that you want a new contract or want traded it will happen.There setting the bar on how there going to handle player contracts so players know in the future that they must honor there contract and no matter how much complaining
they do it wont change
i was just making a statement as a fan saying roth can "get the hell out of here". i didn't mean it literally though, it was more so me saying get that trade me crap out of here.
heckert said a while ago they weren't going to trade roth.
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I don't understand the fascination with John St. Clair, I'm fine with him as a backup OT, but is Pashos seriously not better than him?
Mangini understands competition, he brought Pashos in to beat out St. Clair, but that doesnt happen without pads on. Same with Ventrone and Adams on 1st team defense, he's gonna make Asante and Ward beat them out and earn there spot.
nmills said:
Mangini understands competition, he brought Pashos in to beat out St. Clair, but that doesnt happen without pads on. Same with Ventrone and Adams on 1st team defense, he's gonna make Asante and Ward beat them out and earn there spot.agreed.
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nmills said:
The problem with doing that is it sends a message to the players that if you wine and cry enough that you want a new contract or want traded it will happen.There setting the bar on how there going to handle player contracts so players know in the future that they must honor there contract and no matter how much complaining
they do it wont change
We do not mean to say that we must acquiesce to their wishes. But rather not offer them a contract and make them sit for one year till the realize that their trade value and salary is going to go down if they dont get playing time. If he was smart he should have came out when the chance to trade him was still there. He waited thinking that this way he will have the upper hand in this situation. too bad for him.
We do not mean to say that we must acquiesce to their wishes. But rather not offer them a contract and make them sit for one year till the realize that their trade value and salary is going to go down if they dont get playing time. If he was smart he should have came out when the chance to trade him was still there. He waited thinking that this way he will have the upper hand in this situation. too bad for him.
good post. ofcourse we don't want people like roth on our team. but that doesn't mean we want him to get his way by crybabying out of cleveland via trade. he can sit on his ass and lose money for a whole year and see his value to other teams go down for all i care. i'm sick of these spoiled brat athletes that think they have the world in the palm of their hands.
as hard as it is in ne ohio on people financially, to hell with roth's mentality. roth should tell his agent to shut the hell up, then he should get his ass to camp. be a man and earn the respect of the browns fo and show them he deserves a new contract. i guess that's too much like right, though.
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no worries about Vickers...he's been attending 5th period at his high school alma mater--
he should be totally set for the summer!
plus when he arrived he confidently admitted he has everything memorized (aka left his shit at the house).
and screw all the Rosenhaus clients.
depth is a beautiful thing.
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