Nebraska to Big Ten

Thaak

@bearcatbrownsfan13 said:
Not that they leave but that they will get left out and end up in a conference with no BCS ties

The Big East is contractually one of the 6 BCS conferences. I think the only way the Big East gets left out is, if, as a conference they continually score lower (on the new BCS conference formula) than say the Mountain West or the WAC.

Bob806

@ballpeen said:
It's about time the Big 10 got with the program......now we can play cards. The Big 10 and Pac 10 have bodgered this thing up the last 15 years by insisting on maintaining the the Rose Bowl.
Screw the NCAA......go to 16 team conferences, dump the NCAA and do it right. The SEC could easily add 4 quality teams....NC, Va, Clemson, Fla St come to mind( not to mention Ga Tech, Louisville, W Va, or VTech) if you don't include traditional southern teams out of Texas.....which makes some sense.....Texas and A&M seem SEC to me.

It's time to move up and on.

Ballpeen-

I have to disagree on your view. Traditions are dying everywhere- at least the Big 10/Pac 10 honored their agreement on the Rose Bowl as long as they could.

Traditions have taken a back seat to money, what a surprise. I happen to take the opposite view, that the SEC & Big 12 actually hurt college football by having these conference championship games to grab $$ from Dr. Pepper.

I could also see Texas & Texas A&M joining the SEC, but it will really screw some of those teams up who've never traveled more than 500 miles to play a football game (outside a bowl game). The SEC is tough indeed, but is certainly the most pampered conference in football, playing in pristine conditions all year, and then hardly budging from home for a bowl game.

Gordon Gekko was wrong....greed is NOT good.

Browns

I heard that Oklahoma is trying to get into the SEC.

Browns

Texas and Texas A&M are going to the Big 10.

CLEVELandMILIDH

suns said:
Texas and Texas A&M are going to the Big 10.

was that reported or is that your prediction?

Browns

nmills said:
was that reported or is that your prediction?

Reported.

CLEVELandMILIDH

suns said:
Reported.

is there a link

Browns

nmills said:
is there a link

http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html

Alo

A Kansas City TV station reported the Texas teams are heading to the Big 10, but Chip Brown - the guy who's owned the realignment story - doesn't believe the report:

Chip Brown said:
There's a Kansas City TV report saying Texas and A&M to the Big Ten. That would be news to those schools.

via here

Based on what I've read, it sounds like Notre Dame, Rutgers, Maryland, and Missouri are more likely Big 10 expansion schools. Texas and five other Big 12 teams are expected to head to the Pac 10.

ballpeen

@bob806 said:
Ballpeen-
I have to disagree on your view. Traditions are dying everywhere- at least the Big 10/Pac 10 honored their agreement on the Rose Bowl as long as they could.

Traditions have taken a back seat to money, what a surprise. I happen to take the opposite view, that the SEC & Big 12 actually hurt college football by having these conference championship games to grab $$ from Dr. Pepper.

I could also see Texas & Texas A&M joining the SEC, but it will really screw some of those teams up who've never traveled more than 500 miles to play a football game (outside a bowl game). The SEC is tough indeed, but is certainly the most pampered conference in football, playing in pristine conditions all year, and then hardly budging from home for a bowl game.

Gordon Gekko was wrong....greed is NOT good.

Well Bob, I like tradition as well. On a whole, I enjoy college football way more than the NFL. I can sit and watch all sorts of college games, but with the NFL, unless the Browns are involved, I rarely watch full games other than post season.

It is what it is Bob....I don't think the SEC or Big 12 hurt anything.

As for conditions...how is that an argument? You play where you live...or go to school. You go to your bowl game wherever it is scheduled. If they start scheduling bowl games in Newark, so be it.

Is it my fault or the SEC's fault that when they started the whole bowl game deal, back when the Big 10 was the top conference 90 years ago the powers that be decided to play Bowl games in places like Miami, New Orleans, Atlanta, Pasedna, and not in places like Detroit, Chicago, New York or Bismark??

Travel is travel no matter how far you go....unless you are talking a big time change, but for the most part time change isn't a issue because most bowl games are played in eastern or central time, and most teams get to their destination well in advance to make the adjustment.

Again....I embrace tradition, but there is nothing wrong with new tradition.

I don't think a Texas as an example would be a good addition for the Big 10....they are a mid west outfit....but will say Nebraska fits the Big 10....not much different then Iowa really.

I don't want the SEC as an example taking some team up in Pennsylvania....that isn't SEC country....the SEC is southern teams....and that isn't putting any northern teams or people down.....I was born in Ohio even if I have lived in the south most of my life and with a Alabama Mama was raised as a southern boy despite of the fact I lived on the shore of Lake Erie and my closest neighbor to the north was Canadian.....north side of Lake Road, Bay Village.

Things change man....plus....I don't see it as a money grab....unless of course you want to say the PAC 10 and Big 10 didn't want to give up the Rose Bowl since it was the Grand Daddy of Bowl games and paid the most....at least up until recent years.....maybe that's why those schools are beginning to change their tune?? Hmmmm

slowburn

nmills said:
atleast it would force them to have a playoff, you would think.

doubt it........the 30 plus annual bowl games bring in too much revenue.......the NCAA won't kill the golden goose

Bob806

@ballpeen said:
Things change man....plus....I don't see it as a money grab....unless of course you want to say the PAC 10 and Big 10 didn't want to give up the Rose Bowl since it was the Grand Daddy of Bowl games and paid the most....at least up until recent years.....maybe that's why those schools are beginning to change their tune?? Hmmmm

Yes, you nailed it. The Big 10 & Pac 10 want more $$, plain & simple.

College football is great, however, I don't like the direction it's heading to. All of us here could list a ton of pros & cons on college football today- it just seems to me that it's all about the $$ anymore.

As for arguing about where you play & location...I could type all day about it, but I would much rather be aggrevated playing golf or doing yardwork...

Mr. T

"I love the thought of playing Iowa and Ohio State and going in there and kicking some (butt)," - Genrich

This may get interesting, especially since Michigan cannot bring anything to the table anymore. It will be nice to play some real competition.

Source

rich4eagle

@mr.-t said:
This may get interesting, especially since Michigan cannot bring anything to the table anymore. It will be nice to play some real competition.
Source

I think the Big Ten is playing roulette with the Big 12 courting both .......the Texas Teams and the Oklahoma Teams........knowing no matter which group comes aboard...........they win a financial windfall................and the Pac 10 loses

just my stupid view

CLEVELandMILIDH

Its official Nebraska is in the Big ten, goes into effect July of 2011

From ESPN

LINCOLN, Neb. -- So long, Big 12. Nebraska's membership in the Big Ten Conference is official.
The Big Ten's board of presidents and chancellors unanimously welcomed Nebraska to the club on Friday, just a few hours after the school formally disclosed its interest. The move takes effect July 1, 2011.

Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said the Big Ten offers stability "that the Big 12 simply cannot offer."

After a rocky relationship with the Big 12, Nebraska found a comfortable landing spot in the Big Ten. Story

It will take some time to get used to the Big Red in the Big Ten. But Nebraska and its new conference are a good match, Adam Rittenberg writes. Story

Nebraska is better aligned with the Big Ten academically, culturally and even in climate, ESPN.com's David Ubben writes. Story

Nebraska is the Big Ten's first addition since 1990, when Penn State joined, and it comes just six months after the league announced that it was looking at expansion.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said he presumed there would be a Big Ten championship football game beginning in 2011. He also said the conference would "pause" from further expansion during the next 12 to 18 months. He declined to comment on whether Notre Dame or any other school was on the league's radar.

Nebraska's departure is a potentially crippling blow to the Big 12 and the biggest move yet in an offseason overhaul that will leave college sports looking much different by this time next year.

"We've had a couple disappointing days with the departure of two valued members," Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said during a teleconference. Beebe vowed to work to keep the 10 remaining members together but acknowledged that other Big 12 schools are mulling their options.

Perlman said he believed Nebraska is much more "aligned" with the Big Ten than the Big 12 when it comes to academics, culture and athletics.

The university issued a statement that said for more than 20 years, Nebraska has compared itself to a list of 10 peer institutions established by the regents. Five of the 10 are Big Ten members; four are former Big Eight schools that joined Nebraska in the Big 12 in 1996.

"The University of Nebraska would have new opportunities with membership in the Big Ten -- and I believe the Big Ten would be a stronger conference as well," university president J.B. Milliken said.

Nebraska's move comes at the end of a crazy week in college athletics.

On Thursday, fellow Big 12 member Colorado announced it was leaving for the Pac-10. Texas and other schools in the Big 12 South -- Perlman told the regents that the Pac-10 had been in touch with many schools in that division -- could be the next to leave.

Texas regents have scheduled a meeting for Tuesday to discuss the Longhorns' future in the Big 12.

"One school leaving a conference does not destroy a conference," Perlman said. "Nebraska did not start this discussion. After the Big Ten announced it planned to consider expansion, we saw reports that Missouri would want to go to the Big Ten, including a statement by their governor, a member of board of curators and chancellor -- comments that weren't clearly supportive of the Big 12."

Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne, the longtime football coach, agreed.

Scott Van Pelt

CNBC's Darren Rovell explains why the Big Ten is so attractive to schools that are looking to relocate. Rovell also discusses some of the possible financial implications for programs that change conferences.

"As we read the tea leaves and listened to the conversations, some of the schools that were urging us to stay, we found some of them had talked to not only one other conference or two but even three, and those were the same ones urging us to stay," he said.

To generations of Nebraska fans, going to the Big Ten at one time would have been unthinkable. The school's athletic tradition is built on more than a century of football games against the likes of Missouri and Kansas, dating to the days the team was known as the Bugeaters.

The Huskers, in fact, have been conference partners with Iowa State, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma and Kansas State since 1928; with Colorado since 1948; and with Oklahoma State since 1960.

Now the Huskers are taking their five national titles in football, three Heisman trophies and enthusiastic fans east. They will look to start building new traditions, such as a border rivalry with the Iowa Hawkeyes and regular trips to Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State.

Watching a football camp at Beaver Stadium, Penn State coach Joe Paterno declined comment Friday. Paterno in the past has advocated for enlarging the Big Ten from 11 schools to 14.

"It's just the tip of the iceberg right now," Penn State receivers coach Mike McQueary said of Nebraska. "Unbelievable tradition, the things they've done in that program; academically as well."

THE RICH GET RICHER

Only 7 schools in FBS history have won 800 games. With Nebraska moving to the Big Ten, the conference holds 4 of the 7 winningest schools in major college football history.

School Wins

Michigan 877

Texas 845

Notre Dame 837

Nebraska 827

Ohio State 818

Alabama 813

Penn State 811

At Iowa State, a Big 12 school rarely mentioned in realignment discussions, officials sent an open letter to boosters expressing disappointment in the moves by Colorado and Nebraska.

"But as all of the discussions about conference realignment illustrate, the future of college athletics appears to be less about academics and competitive success and more about money, as measured by television viewership and the associated revenues," the letter said.

Fatter paychecks will be coming to Nebraska, eventually. Nebraska received about $10 million from the Big 12 in 2009, half the $20 million received by Big Ten members (thanks largely to bigger television contracts and the in-house Big Ten Network).

The Big Ten told Perlman that no current member would receive a reduced share of revenue from the conference because of the addition of a new member. Perlman said Nebraska has been assured it would not receive less than it did in the Big 12, however, if it joins the Big Ten.

"This is not a financial windfall," Osborne said.

Delany has said he wanted to add only members that would be considered "home runs." The Huskers' football team struggled in the early and mid-2000s but have returned to national prominence the past two seasons under coach Bo Pelini -- an Ohio State alumnus.

As for the Big 12, it never was a comfortable fit for the Huskers.

When the league formed, Nebraska football was at its pinnacle, having won three national titles between 1994 and 1997 and winning 60 of 63 games before Osborne retired as coach.

That success didn't translate to juice when it came to influencing league policies.

Nebraska and the old Big Eight members, all of whom went to the Big 12, believed they were helping out Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor when the old Southwest Conference collapsed.

The perception in Nebraska was that the Big 12's balance of power was held by the South Division, particularly the University of Texas.

Nebraska from day one was against a championship game in football, for fear it could trip up a team bidding for a national title. But even issues ranging from academic admission standards to location of the league office (Dallas) chafed.

When the league last week picked Cowboys Stadium to host the next three conference championship football games -- after hosting the 2009 and 2010 games -- Osborne complained that continual treks south were unfair to fans of the North representative.

And no one in Nebraska has forgotten the controversial outcome of last year's conference title game. It looked as if the Cornhuskers had beaten the Longhorns 12-10 when the clock ran out, but one second was put back on, allowing Texas to kick the winning field goal.

Pelini yelled outside the locker room that Texas was given the extra second so it could go to the BCS Championship Game.

"This is not about any type of vindictiveness," Osborne said. "You don't make a decision of this size based on where you're going to play Big 12 championship games."

Nebraska entered into its shotgun marriage in 1994 with the Big 12 in a cranky mood and left it Friday with barely the politest of farewells. The Huskers had been a leader in the Big Eight and for 16 years never seemed comfortable with how power in its new home emanated from Austin.
Harvey Perlman and Tom Osborne made a convincing case for moving to the Big Ten.

By contrast, the announcement Friday that Nebraska would leap into the waiting arms of the Big Ten could be described as nothing more than a lovefest. And if you think about it, there's no university outside of South Bend, Ind., that fits into those Big Ten arms better than Nebraska.

"We are stronger today," Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said in a Lincoln, Neb., news conference. "Nebraska is an unbelievable program with an unbelievable legacy. It will make us better than before they joined the Big Ten Conference."

If you're keeping score, the Big Ten now has 12 teams, and the Big 12 now has 10, at least until the Texas regents meet Tuesday. The board will decide, for all intents and purposes, whether the Big 12 will live or die. If Texas leaves, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State appear sure to follow.

Where Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor end up is anybody's guess. Maybe the American Red Cross will set up a shelter.

Nebraska, judging by the comments of athletic director and resident legend Tom Osborne, assumed they will need one.

"One school leaving does not break up a conference," Osborne said at the Nebraska board of regents meeting Friday. "Two schools does not. Six schools leaving breaks up a conference."

Like the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the rumors of impermanence that have floated for weeks off the Big 12 coast rolled ashore over the last 36 hours and brought disaster with them. Colorado left for the Pac-10, but no one much flinched.

Nebraska, however, is the anchor of the league's North Division. University officials scoffed at the idea that staying in the Big 12 would be as secure, financially and otherwise, as moving to the Big 10.

Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said at the regents meeting that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe asked him Wednesday for the university to commit to the league through 2016. Perlman responded by calling Delaney to see if he thought love might blossom.

"Neither Tom nor I felt that was a very long-term commitment for the Big 12," Perlman said. "We thought our obligation to the University of Nebraska was to protect it from the vulnerability of being without a conference altogether. At that point, we re-engaged the leadership of the Big Ten."

Tom Osborne had a sometimes contentious relationship with the Big 12.

Delany and his conference presidents offered long-term security, a more prestigious academic environment, and, yes, more money. But they also offered a collegiality that Nebraska struggled to find in the Big 12. The headbutting had nothing to do with personality.

"Some of those people we've had an association with for over 100 years," Osborne said. "If some of them end up in unpleasant circumstances, we are really sorry for that. We do have good feelings about the conference and its membership. But we are really looking forward to the Big Ten."

The Big 12 formed as a marriage of convenience. Texas and its Southwest Conference buddies had TV sets and a state full of recruits. Nebraska and the Big Eight lacked clout in the media marketplace. The union, consummated in 1994, didn't survive the honeymoon without a couple of fights.

Osborne, then at the peak of his Hall of Fame coaching career, wanted the league to allow its members to accept academic non-qualifiers under the NCAA's requirements for incoming freshmen.

As Osborne wrote in his book, "On Solid Ground," the conference presidents tabled the matter until the spring of 1996, only to hold a conference-call vote in December 1995. The vote went 11-1 to ban the non-qualifiers, with Nebraska the lone dissenter.

That vote has stuck in Osborne's craw to this day, one former colleague said, even though the NCAA banned non-qualifiers from all FBS schools soon after the Big 12 vote.

The league also voted 11-1 to establish a championship game, with Nebraska again the holdout.

Life in the Big 12 became smoother. The league is the only one of the six automatic-qualifier conferences to apportion half of its revenues based on television appearances. That works in the favor of Texas and Nebraska. So does the vast recruiting territory of the Lone Star State, which may become more difficult for the Huskers to harvest now that they won't play any games there.

In the end, Nebraska set that aside to join a league in which it felt at home. Late in the news conference Friday, Delany described a Big Ten that does business in a different manner.

"Inside the Big Ten, there aren't a lot of votes taken," Delany said. "Harvey brought up a lot of 11-1 votes. Our people bring up ideas. They are reluctant to make changes unless [there is consensus]. I don't even remember deciding anything on a 6-5 vote."

Huskers football coach Bo Pelini dismissed the idea that he would miss Big 12 rivalries.

"I'm not a real emotional guy," Pelini said before breaking into laughter.

No, Nebraska won't be looking back with remorse, regret or nostalgia at its time in the Big 12. The Huskers have a new home. Their partners are as happy to have them as they are to be there. Love is a beautiful thing

ballpeen

Neb is a mid west team....it's a perfect match. Missouri would be a good fit....further west or south isn't a good fit...ND and a eastern team need to round out the slate.....Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers(a stretch).....maybe dip south a bit for Louisville or WV.

Once the league is full, it will be interesting to see how they split the divisions and how they rotate games outside of the division.

Good stuff here....college football is making moves....IMO the beginning phase of opting out of NCAA rules and starting a new athletic union/governing body.

It's about time.

Mr. T

@ballpeen said:
Neb is a mid west team....it's a perfect match. Missouri would be a good fit....further west or south isn't a good fit...ND and a eastern team need to round out the slate.....Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers(a stretch).....maybe dip south a bit for Louisville or WV.
Once the league is full, it will be interesting to see how they split the divisions and how they rotate games outside of the division.

Good stuff here....college football is making moves....IMO the beginning phase of opting out of NCAA rules and starting a new athletic union/governing body.

It's about time.

I dont see WV jumping ship any time soon. They have benefited from other schools jumping out of the Big East and into the ACC.