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  • SJ_Browns S
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    It's a wonder the word optimism hasn't been deleted from dictionaries of Browns fans. Of the NFL's 32 teams, Cleveland is one of four never to reach a Super Bowl. And the Browns haven't tasted an NFL playoff win since 1994. The team has been 6-10 or worse six times since last reaching the postseason in 2002.

    Somehow, though, optimism is in bloom.

    The reason is new president Mike Holmgren. An overwhelming majority of Browns fans seems to love him, even if it hates what he inherited. In consort with new general manager Tom Heckert, Holmgren made an immediate splash, attacking a sparse free-agent market, trading quarterbacks out, bringing quarterbacks in, etc.

    Mohamed Massaquoi is poised to take a big step forward as the Browns' new No. 1 receiver.Holmgren avoided a complete overhaul by keeping coach Eric Mangini, who was 1-11 at one point last year but won his last four games. Aside from left tackle Joe Thomas and special teams dynamo Josh Cribbs, there wasn't much on the inherited roster.

    Holmgren just wants to put together a credible season and build momentum for 2011.

    What's new

    Offense: The Browns went for a New England look in 2009 with ex-Patriots assistant Brian Daboll calling plays, but the passing game was pathetic. Quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson both struggled with a receiving corps that wasn't up to NFL snuff. By the end of the year, the offense not only gave Jerome Harrison his first shot at being a No. 1 back but also pushed him unusually hard (106 carries for 561 yards in the final three games).

    Look for the Browns to implement facets of the West Coast attack that helped Holmgren reach three Super Bowls as a head coach. QB Jake Delhomme has the ability and experience to make it work but needs to have a comeback at age 35 after a miserable '09 in Carolina. The club thinks it can give Delhomme an environment that will restore his psyche.

    Defense: Mangini and coordinator Rob Ryan loved brainstorming game plans when together in New England, and the two work well together now. The Browns' system requires a big, active three-man front that is willing and able to occupy double teams.

    Ryan enjoys trying to outsmart offensive coordinators with creative twists, stunts and blitzes. Even though he didn't have an elite pass rusher in '09, Ryan milked 40 sacks out of 16 players. Look for him to take more chances if he gains more confidence in this year's revamped secondary.

    Breakout player

    Mohamed Massaquoi, WR

    Massaquoi's rookie numbers weren't much to look at, but a few factors point to taking a big step in 2010. He is a hard worker who will put his '09 experience to good use. He has a new quarterback, Delhomme, who shows a knack for getting him the ball. Fellow second-year receiver Brian Robiskie has had a strong spring and is ready to diffuse the pressure.

    "(Massaquoi) has outstanding hands. You could see that last year, not always in the games, although he had some good ones, but ... bunches of times at practice, he made just unbelievable catches. He makes good adjustments with his body. It's really impressive when you watch his growth—route in, route out." —Mangini

    Opponent's view

    (An anonymous opponent breaks down the Browns)

    "Being a defensive guy, I have a better grip on their offense but who knows what to expect from their offense? They still had (Braylon) Edwards when we played them last year. I wasn't super-worried about him, which is just the way you have to think, but you could tell he was fairly polished, a lot further along than some of their young guys. ...

    "It's hard to know what to make of them now. Jamal Lewis was their main runner when we played, and now he's gone, too. Harrison wasn't even playing much then. They were bouncing back and forth between Quinn and Anderson, and now they have a different quarterback. ...

    ."It was hard to tell what they were trying to do with their offense last year. I just took it play to play, and they didn't do a lot against us. Delhomme gets your attention a little more; he's a pretty savvy guy, a real competitive dude. I assume they'll be more organized. Between Jake and Daboll, the coordinator, they should have more of a clue."

    Bottom line

    It's one thing for the hiring of Holmgren to have energized the fan base, but it's another for such a move to have changed the thinking of the players, scouts and coaches. Owner Randy Lerner wanted a credible football authority to take charge and change the way his operation is perceived. Mission accomplished.

    It's hard to assemble a roster talented enough to break out of a culture of losing, but Holmgren seems to be chipping away at it so aggressively he might succeed. With an aging quarterback coming off a miserable year and too few offensive weapons, it's doubtful the Browns will surprise this year. But at least Holmgren has made people look—and made the players believe.

    Depth chart

    Offense

    QB: Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace

    FB: Lawrence Vickers, Peyton Hillis

    RB: Jerome Harrison, Montario Hardesty

    WR: Mohamed Massaquoi, Josh Cribbs

    WR: Brian Robiskie, Chansi Stuckey

    TE: Ben Watson, Robert Royal

    LT: Joe Thomas, John St. Clair

    LG: Eric Steinbach, Billy Yates

    😄 Alex Mack, Eric Ghiaciuc

    RG: Floyd Womack, Shawn Lauvao

    RT: Tony Pashos, John St. Clair

    Defense

    LE: Kenyon Coleman, Brian Schaefering

    NT: Shaun Rogers, Ahtyba Rubin

    RE: Robaire Smith, C.J. Mosley

    OLB: Matt Roth, Jason Trusnik

    ILB: D'Qwell Jackson, Kaluka Maiava

    ILB: Scott Fujita, Eric Barton

    OLB: David Bowens, Chris Gocong

    CB: Eric Wright, Coye Francies

    CB: Joe Haden, Sheldon Brown

    SS: Abram Elam, Nick Sorensen

    FS: T.J. Ward, Mike Adams

    Specialists

    K: Phil Dawson

    P: Dave Zastudil

    KR: Josh Cribbs

    PR: Josh Cribbs

    LS: Ryan Pontbriand

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      For some reason Im more confident with our defense going in to the season over our offense...

      We have some players that could make some noise, such as, playing Rogers at end/tackel with Ruben on the nose..interesting..

      We seem to have depth at LB but I also see some talent...

      Our DB package has been greatly upgraded, I think we finally have a shut down corner....

      I like the O line and the depth at RB but frankly the book is out on our receiving corp....We need a go to impact receiver who makes the difficult catch that inspires the team....

      All in all I'm feeling good about this team... I can't explain it but for some reason a big calm has taken over and my confidence in management has never been greater...

      Peace

      T.Dawg

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        I think our offense might surprise a few people this year. It won't be a juggernaut, but I bet it's close to a 20 point a game offense, rather then the 15 point a game turd we saw last year. That alone, with better defense and a few special teams highlight plays by Cribbs thrown in, will make for 3-4 more wins, and a season that is a lot more fun to watch.

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          For some reason Im more confident with our defense going in to the season over our offense...

          We have some players that could make some noise, such as, playing Rogers at end/tackel with Ruben on the nose..interesting..

          We seem to have depth at LB but I also see some talent...

          Our DB package has been greatly upgraded, I think we finally have a shut down corner....

          I like the O line and the depth at RB but frankly the book is out on our receiving corp....We need a go to impact receiver who makes the difficult catch that inspires the team....

          All in all I'm feeling good about this team... I can't explain it but for some reason a big calm has taken over and my confidence in management has never been greater...

          Peace

          T.Dawg

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          @daddybull1 said:

          For some reason Im more confident with our defense going in to the season over our offense...

          We have some players that could make some noise, such as, playing Rogers at end/tackel with Ruben on the nose..interesting..

          We seem to have depth at LB but I also see some talent...

          Our DB package has been greatly upgraded, I think we finally have a shut down corner....

          I like the O line and the depth at RB but frankly the book is out on our receiving corp....We need a go to impact receiver who makes the difficult catch that inspires the team....

          All in all I'm feeling good about this team... I can't explain it but for some reason a big calm has taken over and my confidence in management has never been greater...

          Peace

          T.Dawg

          in the past, optimism came from high hopes and bright hypothetical situations. this year, optimism is coming from confidence in a fo that's made up of qualified people with a great track record. now that the browns have an improved roster, let's see if they can build off of the momentum they built up near the end of the season.

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            I think our offense might surprise a few people this year. It won't be a juggernaut, but I bet it's close to a 20 point a game offense, rather then the 15 point a game turd we saw last year. That alone, with better defense and a few special teams highlight plays by Cribbs thrown in, will make for 3-4 more wins, and a season that is a lot more fun to watch.

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            @d-bone said:

            I think our offense might surprise a few people this year. It won't be a juggernaut, but I bet it's close to a 20 point a game offense, rather then the 15 point a game turd we saw last year. That alone, with better defense and a few special teams highlight plays by Cribbs thrown in, will make for 3-4 more wins, and a season that is a lot more fun to watch.

            i think our offense can be better than it was last year and put more points up on the board. with a better qb than we had last year, young wrs who have a year under their belts, ben watson to upgrade our tes, a stable of good rbs and more time in the offseason for the qb and the o to adjust to one another (than in past years) i think they can do a little something this year.

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              The potential is there and the genie has the tools he wanted but now its a matter of the coaching staff properly prepping and utilizing the player resources it has into a workable gameplan instead of trying to use clay tools to chisel a piece of stone...i am wrongfully and foolishly optimistic going into training camp and im hoping for the best from and for mangini and daboll,

              However even with haskell around i do still have lingering doubts about both mangini and daboll especially daboll when it comes to our playbook design and the execution and coordination of a solid intelligent mobile offensive gameplan, imho jake has the experience/know how and will need to have viable QB options and be trusted to make things happen, and trust in the playmakers to find a way did not exist last year and it will be vital that it does exist this year..i believe our defense is going to be more aggressive and as tough as nails this year..

              Its mangini's chance to show us and the world that he knows what he is doing and silence the nay sayers...i dont doubt his heart or intent but i do question his way over-conservative almost choking offensive philosophy and resolve as a coach..

              We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
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                ...i dont doubt his heart or intent but i do question his way over-conservative almost choking offensive philosophy and resolve as a coach.

                da and bq aren't here any more so we shouldn't see a conservative offense in the brown and orange this year. i think holmgren and haskell will see to this (if necessary).

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                  ...i dont doubt his heart or intent but i do question his way over-conservative almost choking offensive philosophy and resolve as a coach.

                  da and bq aren't here any more so we shouldn't see a conservative offense in the brown and orange this year. i think holmgren and haskell will see to this (if necessary).

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                  ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                  @sj_browns said:

                  da and bq aren't here any more so we shouldn't see a conservative offense in the brown and orange this year. i think holmgren and haskell will see to this (if necessary).

                  I hope it is conservative. That doesn't mean void of passing.

                  I am all in favor of a short, crisp passing game with enough hot reads to go up top when we see man coverage or serious mismatches.

                  I think that was the problem with our passing game last year. I think both QB's had a hard time with their reads and getting us in to formations or plays that took advantage of defensive weakness.

                  Peytons greatness isn't his ability to pass the ball...though he is pretty damn good at that as well....it's is ability to get his team in to formations or plays that put his team at some advantage allowing them to gain positive yards.

                  My hope is with Jakes years of experience he is going to be able to do some of the same...check out of a pass that appears doomed and in to a draw or line plunge that nets us at least a few yards rather than a incompletion, sack, or pick.

                  Sometimes, unless you just blow timeouts, you find yourself in a play/formation that can't be changed much other than checked to a pretty basic/stock play..so do it, get your 2 yards and move on.

                  If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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