Is it Taboo to bring back Marty Shottenheimer
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First I am one who thinks that RAC needs to go.
Second I am a firm believer in Cowher and hope he makes it here.
However, is it taboo to think that Marty could come back. You have to admit he is one hell of a coach. Has winning teams. Yes, the big win has always alluded him, but ever since he left and the Kosar era died. This team has never been the same.
1. Cowher first
2. Shottenheimer second
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Marty would be my first choice.
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Yeah, we fired him because he wasn't making it far enough in the playoffs.
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Marty has had some bad luck here in Cleveland with a couple of drives and plays... But for the most part, he put together a great team. He had a great team in San Diego, and those bastards fired him as well, and now they are in worse shape. That's what they get.
Cowher or Marty. Get them here now...
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Is it taboo to win games?
there's your answer.
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I get really excitied when I think that Shottenheimer could come back - I get a, shall we say, GLEAM
I just joined this board to find out if other fans were excited about this possibility because I think Lerner should can Crennel and Savage and let Marty do most of the work with some flake of a GM to take up space.
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I'm OK with Marty. I'm OK with any coach that doesn't put up with the bullshit that permeates this organization. Watch the Mike Singletary press conference and compare that to anything you've ever heard come out of Romeo's mouth. It's night and day.
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As you can see on my new thread, I think MArty and Ocho Cinco, along with starting Harrison would make this team damn near unstoppable
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When Marty coached the Chargers, they were terrible.
Now that he's gone, they're on the way to the Super Bowl...
Or maybe I'm not remembering that right?
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Here's Marty's Wiki page on his time with the Browns:
In 1980, he was hired as the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns. Schottenheimer became Cleveland's head coach midway through the 1984 season, replacing fired head coach Sam Rutigliano. Schottenheimer would remain with the Browns until 1988, amassing 44-27 (.620) regular-season record and a 2-4 (.333) mark in the playoffs, including four playoff appearances, three AFC Central Division titles, and two trips to the AFC Championship Game.
Read that again. In 4 years,
- 3 division titles
- 4 playoff appearences
- 6 playoff games
- 2 AFC Championship games
I've always believed you can't be upset everytime your team doesn't win the Super Bowl. So, what is reasonable is to be in the hunt with a chance as often as possible. (I hate this time of year when everyone else is talking playoffs and we're talking draft choices. It stinks). I'd take Marty's numbers in a heartbeat.
Marty is a damn close second for me after Cowher, and we may not have to give away our first born to get him.
He'd be welcomed with open arms, we're not getting Pittsbugh's sloppy seconds, he's one of us, who brings back fond memories of being competitive. He runs a tight ship. He's also tough. Tough enough to handle Cleveland and its strongly opinionated fans.
How much fallout was there when Chud left San Diego? I know Marty was upset he left.
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@jadbf said:
Marty is my first choice, Cowher my second for all the reason you just laid out.I also posted some statistics on another thread comparing Cowher and Marty.
I might be with you. Will go hunt down the Cowher vs Marty info you posted. Thanks.
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fact: he never went to the superbowl.....in 20+ years of coaching in charge.
stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
and who think s cowher is a god? squeelers and misguided browns fans. if you look, you'll find a post, by me, saying i will not root for a cowher led team.
high yet?
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I did some reading on the board and found some of the other posts on this topic. I think it is interesting that it took Cowher longer to win a SB than Marty ever had a chance to coach at one team. However, Cowher did make it to a SB earlier (ever).
Frankly, I don't think as Browns fans that we should be choosy. This is not an organization with any recent history of success, so a few 10 win seasons would probably do a lot for the image of the team and help us get our heads above a few of the Houstons and Baltimores out there.
Its interesting that no one can make an argument why Marty wont win, just that he wont win in the playoffs. So you'd rather have Cowher because he's won a super bowl - valid, but if we can't get him, Is there a better choice that would get us closer to that game?
I admit that I'm partial to Marty because of the history. I'm a 30 something Browns fan who was 10-11-12yrs old when he was coaching us to AFC championship games and there is a huge soft spot in me for those days. I still feel bad about the way he was let go from the Browns back then and I think this would be a great redemption story for both the Browns and Marty. I mean think about how it would feel if he did win a SB here. The guy was fired for winning 14 games, don't you think he wants to come into the league and show the Chargers how close they were to winning it all? Don't you think it would be the ultimate 'I told you so' to the Modell family if he could come in here and win the big one after all these years?
Those aren't very rational football reasons to hire him, but I get a little weak thinking about the possibility. I'm going to go take a bite of a dog bone now. . .
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Yeah, we fired him because he wasn't making it far enough in the playoffs.
Yep...and I remember being pissed when he got fired...what a problem to have. No worries though, the tribe did the same damn thing.
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I'm warming to the idea of seeing Marty again. I've been worried that it will be another Gibbs situation where the game has kind of passed him by. But if we can get a crazy-machine DC(read: fiery, young) in with him, I could be swayed, quickly.
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First I am one who thinks that RAC needs to go.
Second I am a firm believer in Cowher and hope he makes it here.
However, is it taboo to think that Marty could come back. You have to admit he is one hell of a coach. Has winning teams. Yes, the big win has always alluded him, but ever since he left and the Kosar era died. This team has never been the same.
1. Cowher first
2. Shottenheimer second
First I am one who thinks that RAC needs to go.
Second I am a firm believer in Cowher and hope he makes it here.
However, is it taboo to think that Marty could come back. You have to admit he is one hell of a coach. Has winning teams. Yes, the big win has always alluded him, but ever since he left and the Kosar era died. This team has never been the same.
1. Cowher first
2. Shottenheimer second
That's a good job by you - there's nothing taboo at all about it. The only problem is they're gonna want better than our 4 Mike Junkins playing LBer right now. The Phil Savage fans think we have great LBers. If Marty or Bill comes - that'll be the FIRST unit they will try to upgrade although we have holes everywhere.
Fraley is has more than 10 years on him as does the oft-injured Ryan Tucker.
Jamal plays like he's 50 all of a sudden
Joe J is too old
Donte Stallworth is never healthy
Willie McGinest should be turning 53 next year
Robaire Smith will be 33 or 34
As we learned we're thin at corner
Sean Jones having a 2nd knee surgery has really impacted his level of play IMO.
Winslow is ALOT slower than he once was if we're being honest. He's depreciating significantly (ie: flags for pushoffs and ability to block DEs on the edge makes him 1 dimensional and our offense predictable when he's in)
We're thin and weak in alot of areas even though the Phil Savage fans will tell us we've never been so deeo and talented.
We NEED a great coach but if we're emaciated by injuries - we're gonna Houdini to make Phil's personnel decisions work.
- Tom F. (As we've learned, I don't know what GREAT GMs are out there but if Atlanta found Dimitroff and Miami found Parcells - I'm confident those aren't the last 2 good ones that will join new teams in the NFL)
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I would take either one of them and be glad to live with it win or lose because eventually either one will win much more than lose both are proven and will rebuild the browns to exacting specs and a winning mentality..marty is a tough as nails veteran coach i say steal his son from the jets as well talk about a close and prosperous working staff and cowhers chin in a coordinators or players or refs face says it all about him i like them both..
Ryan,Spags,B.shottenhiemer are way behind these 2 in my eyes but they may not be bad 3rd plan options if lerner manages to screw it up with cowher and marty the soccer hermit obviously has a pretty bad social skill set to match his inept negotiating skills..
Getting either of these guys and letting them do their thing would most certainly forces me to view lerner in a different light..
Browns football means more than just winning to me its as much about pride in a team that is well run well organized and has a steadfast and competent plan to get to the playoffs win or lose its being run by folks that know what they are doing and arent afraid of public relations a team to where the players are actually content and know what they have to do every sunday instead of just saying what they need to do and then tanking...a team with a professional coaching staff that understands the whole game and isnt shy about being firm with his assistants or players when needed to get things back in line..
Its about gathering with family and friends who are steeler and bengal fans rather at home or at the game and everyone knowing its gonna be a tuff tuff game played by diehard players and wicked coaches alike a game of mutual respect at the outcome for fans..
Its about being part of something awesome that you have grown up with and love as much as life itself and then modell moves the team and lerner buys the expansion browns and for 10 years i have struggled to put my finger on exactly what it is the lerners are doing to take the fun out of being a browns fan and what are they trying to do with/to the team, the fans, the organization, the city then it dawned on me that instead of building the new browns like the old browns they have tried to turn us into the 49ers,indianapolis colts,new england patriots and whatever trendy team is the flavor of the year..i think most of us just want genuine cleveland browns football we already have a great identity we dont need a new one we just need to get back to smashmouth football with an attitude...
Which will require lerner to grow some balls give some power to a couple of trustworthy pros and open his wallet wide to get the right people to run his team..he needs a new president as well one that actually keeps tabs for the owner and has good pr skills..
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