Camp Russ Grimm for Browns Head Coach now open
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Well, Levi Brown was THAT highly rated. Maybe he should have stayed a defensive lineman.
But, I'll cherry-pick, too:
K. Warner 323 472 3741 24
That is just shy of Drew Brees' yardage, and the same # TD's.
That's a lot of pass protection, ya know.
Drew Brees is currently the #1 offensive player in fantasy football ratings...
Kurt Warner is #3.
But, check this out:
NFC West
Arizona Cardinals 7 5 0 .583 338 313 25
San Francisco 49ers 4 8 0 .333 262 313 -51
Seattle Seahawks 2 10 0 .167 216 311 -95
St. Louis Rams 2 10 0 .167 159 360 -201
Arizona is winning their division. And they had THE FEWEST ATTEMPTS at running the football.
But, in rushing, they have more TD's than the Steelers...
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If you want to make an effective argument, I'd suggest you mention that Arizona's o-line has only given up 19 sacks this year, which is good enough for 11th in the league.
But then I'd respond that we're ranked 6th. Though we have better personnel & pass less often, it doesn't seem like what Grimm has done anything special.
Also, I'd add that Grimm's a proponent of the Pittsburgh-style mauling o-line. That's why he picked Brown.
By contrast, our personnel (particularly Thomas & Steinbach) is best suited for an agile, ZBS system. So unless Grimm's going to come here and - Mike Tomlin style - coach an o-line scheme he's never coached before, I'm not sure it's a good fit.
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Well, Levi Brown was THAT highly rated. Maybe he should have stayed a defensive lineman.
But, I'll cherry-pick, too:
K. Warner 323 472 3741 24
That is just shy of Drew Brees' yardage, and the same # TD's.
That's a lot of pass protection, ya know.
Drew Brees is currently the #1 offensive player in fantasy football ratings...
Kurt Warner is #3.
But, check this out:
NFC West
Arizona Cardinals 7 5 0 .583 338 313 25
San Francisco 49ers 4 8 0 .333 262 313 -51
Seattle Seahawks 2 10 0 .167 216 311 -95
St. Louis Rams 2 10 0 .167 159 360 -201
Arizona is winning their division. And they had THE FEWEST ATTEMPTS at running the football.
But, in rushing, they have more TD's than the Steelers...
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Well, Levi Brown was THAT highly rated. Maybe he should have stayed a defensive lineman.
But, I'll cherry-pick, too:
K. Warner 323 472 3741 24
That is just shy of Drew Brees' yardage, and the same # TD's.
That's a lot of pass protection, ya know.
Drew Brees is currently the #1 offensive player in fantasy football ratings...
Kurt Warner is #3.
But, check this out:
NFC West
Arizona Cardinals 7 5 0 .583 338 313 25
San Francisco 49ers 4 8 0 .333 262 313 -51
Seattle Seahawks 2 10 0 .167 216 311 -95
St. Louis Rams 2 10 0 .167 159 360 -201
Arizona is winning their division. And they had THE FEWEST ATTEMPTS at running the football.
But, in rushing, they have more TD's than the Steelers...
Arizona is winning their division. And they had THE FEWEST ATTEMPTS at running the football.
As I mentioned, they also have the lowest YPC of any team.
Even if you don't run much, 3.3 YPC is really bad.
But, in rushing, they have more TD's than the Steelers...
I guess you can thank Mo Carthon for that. He played a big role in them selecting Tim Hightower in the 5th Round, and Hightower has 9 of Arizona's 13 rushing TD's.
But I don't think anyone will be calling for us to bring back Carthon...
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True, Al. But our sacks have almost always come up the middle across Fraley's disappearance to the right, or pass Hadnot on the right, or around bigfoot turnstile, Shaffer.
Shaffer is so gone as a starter RT. He can't even pull as an OG.
I don't believe Hadnot pulls as a guard. On run plays, Thomas and Steinbach can knock their guys
out of the way and go on to block further downfield.
Anyways, Shaffer can't do the zone blocking scheme at all at RT. And, he just got pounded back into DA
by a 250 defender. And, unless I'm mistaken, Shaffer is about 320-330.
BTW, Arizona still have their #1 starter upright. Our Browns have lost two starters in the last three games.
Who knows how long Dorsey will be able to avoid injury from the right side...
I just think Grimm is seriously intense. And Romeo is not. At all. But I believe Grimm knows
how to use the talent he has to best advantage, whereas Romeo does not.
I'd pick Grimm. We'll see.
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Actually, the WCO -alone- is what is not current. It's old school now, as the only way to go. The in thing now, as offenses and defenses have developed,
is a combination of the WCO and other offensive schemes:
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Today's NFL Offense
Since 2001, the San Diego Chargers' LaDainian Tomlinson has arguably been the NFL's best overall player. L.T.'s dominance and success has much to do with his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and with the system that is in place in San Diego. In 2006, L.T. set the NFL record with 31 total touchdowns (three receiving). The West Coast offensive feel is alive and well in places like San Diego, Washington, Indianapolis, Seattle, Detroit, and St. Louis.
Today's complex, read and react game requires a mixture of offensive schemes. The best offensive teams understand this and use a power running game mixed with a West Coast and Stretch or Spread system to create a truly balanced attack. Teams however play to their strengths and will continue to do this. In Denver and Washington, the run game comes first but in New England and Indianapolis, the pass reigns supreme.
The NFL has recently started shifting to a two running back system with teams finding tremendous success. In today's NFL, teams need a running back that can catch the ball out of the backfield, block and run between the tackles. With players faster and stronger today on defense, there are just a select few NFL backs that posses the complete package to do it all.
Teams like the Dallas Cowboys feature Julius Jones as their primary, slash back but then hit you with Marion Barber III, their knock out punch. The Cowboys are not the only team in the league using the two back system to perfection. In Jacksonville, Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew combined have proven too much for opposing defenses. The Jaguars two-pronged rushing attack is one of the best in the NFL.
The Spread Offense behind a rushing quarterback has also been effective, of course, mixed with some aspects of the West Coast offense. The emergence of the Spread and West Coast combination offense with a running quarterback is a new trend in the NFL. Donte Culpepper and Michael Vick showed us how potent that scheme is with the right personnel. Vince Young is today's best rushing quarterback behind a Spread, Option (handoff or quarterback keeper) attack, Tennessee Titan team.
I wouldn't pigeonhole Grimm as being outdated for any kind of scheme.
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Shaffer played LT in a ZBS in Atlanta. And my sense is that we currently use a good deal of zone blocking in our system.
Shaffer's listed at 315 lbs., which could actually be one of his problems. In Atlanta, Alex Gibbs made all of his o-linemen keep under 300 lbs. That seems to be the case with most ZBS squads. Denver's current RT Ryan Harris is 6'5", 300, while Houston't Eric Winston is 6'5", 283.
Not only does that improve the guys' endurance, but it also helps them play with better balance.
Added weight is only a good thing if it comes with increased strength. In Shaffer's case, it only seems to have made him less agile & more prone to getting knocked off his feet, thereby killing two of our QB's.
If we switched to a Russ Grimm beat your man, physical o-line scheme, Shaffer definitely wouldn't be a good fit. Steinbach might not be as well; even Thomas wouldn't be a perfect fit.
If our line was our main problem, I could see us bringing in Grimm. But since it isn't, it seems counterproductive to bring in a guy whose system doesn't match our current personnel.
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article talking about Arizona's oline
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Grimm has simplified things; Johnson makes relatively few calls at the line.
"Basically, you can't come to the sidelines and say you couldn't hear the call," Johnson said. "It's very simple rules. You are either covered or you are uncovered. They slide at the last second and you are uncovered, you know your rule. Everybody is accountable for what they need to do."
The depth on the line took a hit when Ross suffered a season-ending injury. But rookie first-round pick Levi Brown was going to be the starter at right tackle at some point anyway. Johnson and left tackle Mike Gandy are free-agent newcomers. Right guard Deuce Lutui has dropped weight in an effort to become more athletic.
Arizona still needs a run-blocking tight end to make the offense work as desired. In the meantime, the Cardinals will presumably use more three-receiver sets than the typical team seeking to establish a physical identity. Balance is the key.
Offensive lines need time together, so the Cardinals might not be particularly effective early.
"They have to run the football when it's so tempting to throw it because of who they have outside," said a veteran NFL player familiar with the Cardinals' personnel. "When they do throw it, they must be able to throw the comebacks and the deep crosses and the posts and the go routes that the Steelers ran when they were playing well.
"Last year they got into this pass-happy mode the first part of the year and they were not as successful. That is a big thing to look at for them."
Russ Grimm, pass happy? Excuse him while he sweats on you.
article talking about Arizona's oline
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Grimm has simplified things; Johnson makes relatively few calls at the line.
"Basically, you can't come to the sidelines and say you couldn't hear the call," Johnson said. "It's very simple rules. You are either covered or you are uncovered. They slide at the last second and you are uncovered, you know your rule. Everybody is accountable for what they need to do."
The depth on the line took a hit when Ross suffered a season-ending injury. But rookie first-round pick Levi Brown was going to be the starter at right tackle at some point anyway. Johnson and left tackle Mike Gandy are free-agent newcomers. Right guard Deuce Lutui has dropped weight in an effort to become more athletic.
Arizona still needs a run-blocking tight end to make the offense work as desired. In the meantime, the Cardinals will presumably use more three-receiver sets than the typical team seeking to establish a physical identity. Balance is the key.
Offensive lines need time together, so the Cardinals might not be particularly effective early.
"They have to run the football when it's so tempting to throw it because of who they have outside," said a veteran NFL player familiar with the Cardinals' personnel. "When they do throw it, they must be able to throw the comebacks and the deep crosses and the posts and the go routes that the Steelers ran when they were playing well.
"Last year they got into this pass-happy mode the first part of the year and they were not as successful. That is a big thing to look at for them."
Russ Grimm, pass happy? Excuse him while he sweats on you.
Cal how bout plowing the fields..............as always OL guys are a dime a dozen and proven..............and occasionally over a career do score touchdowns.........we now have a 100 million dollar line on your way to you guessed it at least 10 losses.....keep up the good work losing every year is a tough thing to do...............
but you may be onto something because OL guys are not a dime a dozen as coaches and ofen make the best coaches
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Shaffer played LT in a ZBS in Atlanta. And my sense is that we currently use a good deal of zone blocking in our system.
Shaffer's listed at 315 lbs., which could actually be one of his problems. In Atlanta, Alex Gibbs made all of his o-linemen keep under 300 lbs. That seems to be the case with most ZBS squads. Denver's current RT Ryan Harris is 6'5", 300, while Houston't Eric Winston is 6'5", 283.
Not only does that improve the guys' endurance, but it also helps them play with better balance.
Added weight is only a good thing if it comes with increased strength. In Shaffer's case, it only seems to have made him less agile & more prone to getting knocked off his feet, thereby killing two of our QB's.
If we switched to a Russ Grimm beat your man, physical o-line scheme, Shaffer definitely wouldn't be a good fit. Steinbach might not be as well; even Thomas wouldn't be a perfect fit.
If our line was our main problem, I could see us bringing in Grimm. But since it isn't, it seems counterproductive to bring in a guy whose system doesn't match our current personnel.
Aloysius said:
If we switched to a Russ Grimm beat your man, physical o-line scheme, Shaffer definitely wouldn't be a good fit. Steinbach might not be as well; even Thomas wouldn't be a perfect fit.Phil Savage, upon reflection, strikes me as a "let me fit a square peg in a round hole" type of guy, perhaps making Grimm a perfect fit for us after all. Another square peg to go along with high-priced FAs Corey Williams and Kevin Shaffer.
Dammit. We deserve better.
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@shepwrite said:
That article's pretty outdated... using Young and Vick as good examples (!). But some of it's still true.About as outdated as the articles about Arizona's o-line.
Al Johnson isn't even on the team anymore (he recently signed with Miami).
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aw... you guys get grip. Of course my info is a bit old. I'M FREAKIN A BIT OLD.
(but about 90 years younger than Rich.)
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Grimm didnt get the job here for the Steelers because he was a drunk and just thought since he worked for the organization as the o-line coach for years that he just had to show up and the job was his. He never dressed properly in a suit and tie when he came to interview for the head coaching job here on more then one occasion. He wore a flannel shirt and a sports coat to his interviews which is completely inappropriate. He was given numerous opportunities by the Rooney family to actually get the job and prove himself by having Grimm come in early at 7 in the morning to the facility and staying till late in the afternoon but he just never proved himself and his worth to the Rooney's enough to get the job over a guy like Tomlin.
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Cal, did you truncate my message I actually gave you a salute about OL guys being good coaches..................
and I am only 64 years and 22 days older than you...........kiddo
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Cal, did you truncate my message I actually gave you a salute about OL guys being good coaches..................
and I am only 64 years and 22 days older than you...........kiddo RICH
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No, -sir-, I didn't truncate it, Rich. I was taught to respect my older elders...
Thanks for that salute, I just like Grimm over the list I saw. We'll see who else may end up on that list...
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