Steelers on a roll......
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I don't know how the others feel on this subject , but I don't condone packing heat in airports , or lying about forgeting as an excuse . We criticize the turds in brown and orange .when they presrnt themselves.
You piss yellow and blackers ought to do the same . 🥷
Most Steelers fans, including me, do. We did it after Holmes' 08 suspension, Reed's drunken antics, and Ben's poor/stupid (yet not against the law) behavior.
Most Steelers fans, including me, do. We did it after Holmes' 08 suspension, Reed's drunken antics, and Ben's poor/stupid (yet not against the law) behavior.
There is the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law"
Good people use the latter as gospel .
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No agent is named in the letter. Who knows if it was from an agent. His phone, credit and back statements have no traces of any large transactions of any money.
"The Miami Herald reported Monday that Pouncey's alleged misdeed was leaked to the media after he chose not to sign with the agent who paid him. The Herald also wrote the agent used a go-between from Lakeland, Pouncey's hometown, to deliver the money."
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/gators...out-814028.html
nmills said:
"The Miami Herald reported Monday that Pouncey's alleged misdeed was leaked to the media after he chose not to sign with the agent who paid him. The Herald also wrote the agent used a go-between from Lakeland, Pouncey's hometown, to deliver the money."http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/gators...out-814028.html
That doesn't make sense. Why would Pouncey switch agents after one gave him 100k?
Why was the letter post marked in Canada?
Why would the agent admitt he gave out 100k? That could get him in trouble with the law and likely ruin his rep with new players. This is a multi-million dollar business. 100k is nothing. No one would give it up to snitch when all snithing would do is ruin his own career and not even hurt pouncey's pro career.
Where is Pouncey's 100k?
If the money wasn't deposited anywhere, then I suppose it buried in his backyard.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Most Steelers fans, including me, do. We did it after Holmes' 08 suspension, Reed's drunken antics, and Ben's poor/stupid (yet not against the law) behavior.
There is the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law"
Good people use the latter as gospel .
There is the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law"
Good people use the latter as gospel .
I guess Ben doesn't beleive the "spirit of the law". Hell, the courts don't even care about that.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
nmills said:
"The Miami Herald reported Monday that Pouncey's alleged misdeed was leaked to the media after he chose not to sign with the agent who paid him. The Herald also wrote the agent used a go-between from Lakeland, Pouncey's hometown, to deliver the money."http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/gators...out-814028.html
That doesn't make sense. Why would Pouncey switch agents after one gave him 100k?
Why was the letter post marked in Canada?
Why would the agent admitt he gave out 100k? That could get him in trouble with the law and likely ruin his rep with new players. This is a multi-million dollar business. 100k is nothing. No one would give it up to snitch when all snithing would do is ruin his own career and not even hurt pouncey's pro career.
Where is Pouncey's 100k?
If the money wasn't deposited anywhere, then I suppose it buried in his backyard.
That doesn't make sense. Why would Pouncey switch agents after one gave him 100k?
Why was the letter post marked in Canada?
Why would the agent admitt he gave out 100k? That could get him in trouble with the law and likely ruin his rep with new players. This is a multi-million dollar business. 100k is nothing. No one would give it up to snitch when all snithing would do is ruin his own career and not even hurt pouncey's pro career.
Where is Pouncey's 100k?
If the money wasn't deposited anywhere, then I suppose it buried in his backyard.
If he was accused of receiving the money, then Florida felt compelled to have to do an investigation, obviously they found some damaging information or they would've never informed the NCAA of the situation.
If you go rob a bank are you gonna go deposit it back into a bank, dont be stupid
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There is the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law"
Good people use the latter as gospel .
I guess Ben doesn't beleive the "spirit of the law". Hell, the courts don't even care about that.
I guess Ben doesn't beleive the "spirit of the law". Hell, the courts don't even care about that.
Goes to show you how far this country has fallen .
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NFL should suspend players who got paid in college
Posted by Mike Florio on July 21, 2010 8:30 AM ET
In response to the recent rant from Alabama coach Nick Saban, who thinks that perhaps NFL scouts should be frozen out of college practices if the league can't do a better job of keeping agents from paying players, a reader has suggested a possibly powerful way of addressing the problem.
Already, the NFLPA subjects agents who pay players to suspension. (The union rarely actually enforces the rule; as we explained last night, the union should be far more aggressive in this regard.) Why not also suspend players who ultimately are determined by the NCAA to have accepted payment while still eligible?
Though the NFL generally has scrapped the notion of imposing discipline via the Personal Conduct Policy on players who found off-field trouble while still in college, the league has a strong incentive to avoid the alienation of the men like Saban who preside over pro football's free farm system. This approach would get the word out to every college player that, if you take money from an agent now and if the NCAA eventually finds out about it, the penalty at the next level will be far worse than not taking the money in the first place.
Though it surely won't eliminate the problem, it could go a long way toward deterring some of the kids who have in the past pocketed money without fear of any consequence.
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nmills said:
Sources: Florida, NCAA probe allegationBy Pat Forde
ESPN.com
Florida and NCAA officials are investigating a potential rules violation that allegedly occurred last December involving former Gators football standout Maurkice Pouncey, sources said.
Florida is internally investigating what sources described as an allegation that a representative of an agent paid Pouncey $100,000 between the Gators' loss to Alabama in the Southeastern Conference championship game to Alabama and their season-ending Sugar Bowl victory over Cincinnati. Florida apprised the NCAA of the allegation after it became aware of it.
"We were made aware of some information in early June that we reported to law enforcement and we then shared with the NCAA and the SEC," athletic director Jeremy Foley said in a statement released Monday morning to ESPN.com. "At this time we have no information that has indicated that there are any compliance issues for the University of Florida."
Florida law enforcement could be investigating whether the state's agent registration laws were violated.
Pouncey, a standout offensive lineman who entered the NFL draft after his junior season and was taken in the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers, played in the Sugar Bowl. If found to have accepted the alleged payment, he could be retroactively ruled ineligible for the game and Florida might have to vacate the victory.
"The NCAA is working cooperatively with the university. However, it is NCAA policy to not comment on current, pending or potential investigations," the organization said in a statement released Monday.
The Pouncey investigation is the latest in a series of agent-related inquiries making ripples in college football. North Carolina announced last week that an NCAA investigation is under way at its school, and subsequent media reports have tied it to alleged agent interaction with multiple players. South Carolina tight end Weslye Saunders told ESPN on Sunday that he also has been interviewed by NCAA investigators in connection with the North Carolina case.
Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
And guess who doesn't give a sh.it about the Florida Gators? THE ENTIRE STEELER FAN BASE. He can still play week 1 for Pittsburgh and that's all that matters. ZING.
Homotron said:
And guess who doesn't give a sh.it about the Florida Gators? THE ENTIRE STEELER FAN BASE. He can still play week 1 for Pittsburgh and that's all that matters. ZING.Fair point. It has nothing to do with his current pro team. It won't stop him from playing in the NFL or collecting his paycheck. Now, maybe he should take some of that check and give a pile of it back to his University for the crap he put them through for breaking the rules.
Florida, I do not believe will be given a serious penalty because of this since they reported the violation when they found out about it. They should be given credit for policing themselves.
No, the player should pay money to the school, but the guy that should be most penalized is the agent for knowingly breaking the rule involved. He should probably be defrocked.
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nmills said:
They are character flaws, there's always easy ways out in life. Choosing to do the right thing when times are rough is what builds good character. If he starts his young lifemaking a bad decision at the first sign of adversity whats gonna happen when he faces real adversity.....Steroids?????
Once again we'll see if there is any sort of legitimacy to the probe. It appears to be the popular thing to do these days so I'll wait until things actually shake out to pass further judgment. Either way doesn't effect the Steelers.
Homotron said:
Once again we'll see if there is any sort of legitimacy to the probe. It appears to be the popular thing to do these days so I'll wait until things actually shake out to pass further judgment. Either way doesn't effect the Steelers.I believe there is legitimacy to the probe, but you are right. It doesn't effect the Steelers.
I guess the only question to be asked is: why couldn't the guy have waited the two weeks until after the Bowl game to take the cash? I suspect the agent wanted to lock him up.....hopefully this will cost him his future as an agent. But heck, if Pouncey had waited the two weeks, he may have gotten a lot more from someone else.
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Homotron said:
And guess who doesn't give a sh.it about the Florida Gators? THE ENTIRE STEELER FAN BASE. He can still play week 1 for Pittsburgh and that's all that matters. ZING.Well truth is MANY Players do this kind of thing... if you dont believe that your awfully naive. If the worst he did was take money without paying taxes on it , then IRS can get their taxes and Fine him mighty , and He has that coming if he tried to skate out of taxes.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Well truth is MANY Players do this kind of thing... if you dont believe that your awfully naive. If the worst he did was take money without paying taxes on it , then IRS can get their taxes and Fine him mighty , and He has that coming if he tried to skate out of taxes.I suspect you are right. Numerous players take the $$ without getting caught. I guess Pouncey wasn't smart enought to not get caught. How did he get caught anyway?
And why would a mother name her son Maurkice?
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nmills said:
"The Miami Herald reported Monday that Pouncey's alleged misdeed was leaked to the media after he chose not to sign with the agent who paid him. The Herald also wrote the agent used a go-between from Lakeland, Pouncey's hometown, to deliver the money."http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/gators...out-814028.html
That doesn't make sense. Why would Pouncey switch agents after one gave him 100k?
Why was the letter post marked in Canada?
Why would the agent admitt he gave out 100k? That could get him in trouble with the law and likely ruin his rep with new players. This is a multi-million dollar business. 100k is nothing. No one would give it up to snitch when all snithing would do is ruin his own career and not even hurt pouncey's pro career.
Where is Pouncey's 100k?
If the money wasn't deposited anywhere, then I suppose it buried in his backyard.
That doesn't make sense. Why would Pouncey switch agents after one gave him 100k?
Uh, because he got a better deal elsewhere, I suspect.
Why was the letter post marked in Canada?
To avoid detection by US authorities maybe?
Why would the agent admitt he gave out 100k? That could get him in trouble with the law and likely ruin his rep with new players. This is a multi-million dollar business. 100k is nothing. No one would give it up to snitch when all snithing would do is ruin his own career and not even hurt pouncey's pro career.
Sometimes revenge knows no bounds.
Where is Pouncey's 100k?
If the money wasn't deposited anywhere, then I suppose it buried in his backyard.
Have you looked up his nose? Just a thought. This was 100K in cash? Sounds more like a drug deal.
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Yeah, but wouldn't he fear the agent he screwed could really screw up his own career. Anything that happens now won't really effect Pouncey but it would have been bad if the investigation truned up evidence prior to the draft.
It was sent to the NCAA so I don't see how they were trying to keep it away from authorities. It wasn't like FBI was going to intercept it. The alledged deal went to in Georgia. Canada is a long way from there and I don't see any real benfit to going to Canada to send the letter if you were in the U.S.
The agent is a millionaire. 100k is still a lot to lose, but if you have millions in the bank it's nothing to ruin your life over. If he wanted revenge that bad, then he should make sure it will actually have a major effect on Pouncey. It would also be helpful if the counter damage to himself would be that much greater than the damage to Pouncey. If he was that bent on revenge, then he probably would have taken a page out of the figure skating book and hit him in the knee with a police batton.
The money hasn't been detected through phone record, bank accounts or any credit lines. Cash is the only way to have it completely hidden from detection.
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As Big Ben always says" If you can't get it'Rape it"
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Posted by Mike Florio on July 21, 2010 5:29 PM ET
The NCAA recently has made it clear that it will no longer look the other way when evidence arises of college football players getting paid. The NFL Players Association, which regulates contract agents, apparently plans to take the situation seriously, too.
In a Wednesday appearance on ESPN Radio's Mike & Mike in the Morning, NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith said that the union plans to pursue aggressively any agents who have violated the rules regarding the payment of college players.
Smith said that the NFLPA currently is investigating the possibility that an agent hired a runner (a go-between who helps recruit college players) to pose as a union employee. Smith said that the NFLPA will pursue sanctions against those agents. He also didn't rule out the possibility of referring such cases to criminal authorities.
"God help those agents" who are deemed to be guilty of a violation, Smith said.
Currently, the NFLPA has jurisdiction over contract agents and financial advisors. Both groups generally have been tied to paying players. Another group -- marketing agents -- are not covered by the union, but they arguably should be.
Either way, the matter seems to be on the union's radar screen. The next question becomes whether the union will be willing to take thorough and consistent action against any and all agents and financial advisors who break the rules, even if it means punishing agents who are on the union's "most favored nations" list
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I just wanted to point out that Cleveland is ranked #18 on Forbes most valuable sports franchises in the world and the Steelers are ranked 21st. Even with all your rings you still cant hang with the Browns in the lowest of lows.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/20/most-valu...s_slide_19.html
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I just wanted to point out that Cleveland is ranked #18 on Forbes most valuable sports franchises in the world and the Steelers are ranked 21st. Even with all your rings you still cant hang with the Browns in the lowest of lows.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/20/most-valu...s_slide_19.html
nmills said:
I just wanted to point out that Cleveland is ranked #18 on Forbes most valuable sports franchises in the world and the Steelers are ranked 21st. Even with all your rings you still cant hang with the Browns in the lowest of lows.http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/20/most-valu...s_slide_19.html
And what relevance does this hold? First off it's 1.03 billion vs 1.02 billion. Secondly what does overall revenue have to do with franchise success on the field. I'm certain you'd trade that extra bit of money for the 6 Lombardi's you don't have but who knows maybe being ranked 18th on the most valuable franchise list is all that is important to you. Good one chief. You really drove that point home.
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nmills said:
I just wanted to point out that Cleveland is ranked #18 on Forbes most valuable sports franchises in the world and the Steelers are ranked 21st. Even with all your rings you still cant hang with the Browns in the lowest of lows.http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/20/most-valu...s_slide_19.html
And what relevance does this hold? First off it's 1.03 billion vs 1.02 billion. Secondly what does overall revenue have to do with franchise success on the field. I'm certain you'd trade that extra bit of money for the 6 Lombardi's you don't have but who knows maybe being ranked 18th on the most valuable franchise list is all that is important to you. Good one chief. You really drove that point home.
Homotron said:
And what relevance does this hold? First off it's 1.03 billion vs 1.02 billion. Secondly what does overall revenue have to do with franchise success on the field. I'm certain you'd trade that extra bit of money for the 6 Lombardi's you don't have but who knows maybe being ranked 18th on the most valuable franchise list is all that is important to you. Good one chief. You really drove that point home.For some reason Forbes DOES equate on field success with value. So this valuation comparison is fairly surprising. I mean, the Yankees and Cowboys are so "valuable" because of their successes on the field.
There was some suggestion that the value of the Cavs would plummet with the loss of LeBron and consequently the loss of the ability to win games because he was not here.
I agree with you that I could care less about the value of the franchise vs. winning. I don't care if the Browns are worth 1 billion or 1 farthing if they were to win. None of the money is going in my pocket if the team were sold so what do I care what the team is worth? (Or, maybe the Browns having more titles does have something to do with it?)
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Homotron said:
And what relevance does this hold? First off it's 1.03 billion vs 1.02 billion. Secondly what does overall revenue have to do with franchise success on the field. I'm certain you'd trade that extra bit of money for the 6 Lombardi's you don't have but who knows maybe being ranked 18th on the most valuable franchise list is all that is important to you. Good one chief. You really drove that point home.For some reason Forbes DOES equate on field success with value. So this valuation comparison is fairly surprising. I mean, the Yankees and Cowboys are so "valuable" because of their successes on the field.
There was some suggestion that the value of the Cavs would plummet with the loss of LeBron and consequently the loss of the ability to win games because he was not here.
I agree with you that I could care less about the value of the franchise vs. winning. I don't care if the Browns are worth 1 billion or 1 farthing if they were to win. None of the money is going in my pocket if the team were sold so what do I care what the team is worth? (Or, maybe the Browns having more titles does have something to do with it?)
For some reason Forbes DOES equate on field success with value. So this valuation comparison is fairly surprising. I mean, the Yankees and Cowboys are so "valuable" because of their successes on the field.
There was some suggestion that the value of the Cavs would plummet with the loss of LeBron and consequently the loss of the ability to win games because he was not here.
I agree with you that I could care less about the value of the franchise vs. winning. I don't care if the Browns are worth 1 billion or 1 farthing if they were to win. None of the money is going in my pocket if the team were sold so what do I care what the team is worth? (Or, maybe the Browns having more titles does have something to do with it?)
I'm not surprised the Browns are ranked as high as they are considering the fan base. The Cleveland base is easily one of the most diehard in the NFL. Despite all the losing people still buy merchandise and go to all the games. It has to count for something. I dunno. I could also care less.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
For some reason Forbes DOES equate on field success with value. So this valuation comparison is fairly surprising. I mean, the Yankees and Cowboys are so "valuable" because of their successes on the field.
There was some suggestion that the value of the Cavs would plummet with the loss of LeBron and consequently the loss of the ability to win games because he was not here.
I agree with you that I could care less about the value of the franchise vs. winning. I don't care if the Browns are worth 1 billion or 1 farthing if they were to win. None of the money is going in my pocket if the team were sold so what do I care what the team is worth? (Or, maybe the Browns having more titles does have something to do with it?)
I'm not surprised the Browns are ranked as high as they are considering the fan base. The Cleveland base is easily one of the most diehard in the NFL. Despite all the losing people still buy merchandise and go to all the games. It has to count for something. I dunno. I could also care less.
Homotron said:
I'm not surprised the Browns are ranked as high as they are considering the fan base. The Cleveland base is easily one of the most diehard in the NFL. Despite all the losing people still buy merchandise and go to all the games. It has to count for something. I dunno. I could also care less.Right. I assume your last name is not "Rooney".
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