Lombardi: Haden struggled in camp
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Cover guys cover. The Texans' coach praised Kareem Jackson for holding his own against Andre Johnson day after day, said he looked the part. He's already the starter.
We've had LOTS of shorts-and-tees practices between OTAs and mini-camps... and the corners are covering the WRs every day. They've had a lot to look at.
You realize the Texans just lost their starting CB, Dunta Robinson, and had to replace him, right? It's not like they have strong depth at that position. Guess what, we do. Wright and Brown should start and if Haden started from day 1 in front of either of them I would be very worried about our skill level at the position. Rookies usually don't start in front of vets, but I guess you are conveniently ignoring that.
You realize the Texans just lost their starting CB, Dunta Robinson, and had to replace him, right? It's not like they have strong depth at that position. Guess what, we do. Wright and Brown should start and if Haden started from day 1 in front of either of them I would be very worried about our skill level at the position. Rookies usually don't start in front of vets, but I guess you are conveniently ignoring that.
Exactly. That's why we didn't need to make Haden the first Top 10 corner since 2005.
The Texans had an actual need and filled it really well with a pick in the 20s.
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Hey, Lombardi's one paragraph sparked a super hot thread in a very dead time.
We owe him large.
WE don't owe him nothing and i only posted in this thread a couple of times. the main reason this thread went on so long is because you can't admit your true agenda here. you were hell bent to try and prove everyone wrong about the haden pick and lombardi's article was your "ammunition". you had nothing credible to back up your claims and you know it.
WE don't owe him nothing and i only posted in this thread a couple of times. the main reason this thread went on so long is because you can't admit your true agenda here. you were hell bent to try and prove everyone wrong about the haden pick and lombardi's article was your "ammunition". you had nothing credible to back up your claims and you know it.
You kind of made my point. It's a very active debate... and a good one. Lombardi was just the jumping off point. Hell, OBR's cover story was about "Haden's Issues." We're ALL looking for things to dissect and discuss.
Some hated the pick, some didn't. That's always worth revisiting!
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You realize the Texans just lost their starting CB, Dunta Robinson, and had to replace him, right? It's not like they have strong depth at that position. Guess what, we do. Wright and Brown should start and if Haden started from day 1 in front of either of them I would be very worried about our skill level at the position. Rookies usually don't start in front of vets, but I guess you are conveniently ignoring that.
Exactly. That's why we didn't need to make Haden the first Top 10 corner since 2005.
The Texans had an actual need and filled it really well with a pick in the 20s.
Exactly. That's why we didn't need to make Haden the first Top 10 corner since 2005.
The Texans had an actual need and filled it really well with a pick in the 20s.
Did you see our pass coverage the last 5 years? It had not been a pretty sight. Even with Wright and Brown, we needed serious help at CB and drafted a guy who should be able to fix that hole for many years.
I have news for you: it does not matter where someone is drafted, only if they can play the game. By all accounts, he can play the game. He was a starter on a powerhouse SEC team and shutdown every big-name reciever he faced in college, which is a good indicator of talent.
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So? How do we know that "Dez or Earl Thomas" are not also "failing to shine". Maybe Dez Bryant will be the next Charles Rogers and Earl Thomas the next...who knows...Brandon McDonald.
As for debate and discussion we could sit around and contemplate our navels. I am sure whether or not you have an inny or an outy would be a hot topic of discussion.
Also: No soup for you, eh? Here's a clue:
Is it the sergeant dude from Full Metal Jacket? Or that actor in another role?
Is it the sergeant dude from Full Metal Jacket? Or that actor in another role?
No, no, not Full Metal Jacket. And not the same actor.
Here you go:
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Cover guys cover. The Texans' coach praised Kareem Jackson for holding his own against Andre Johnson day after day, said he looked the part. He's already the starter.
We've had LOTS of shorts-and-tees practices between OTAs and mini-camps... and the corners are covering the WRs every day. They've had a lot to look at.
You realize the Texans just lost their starting CB, Dunta Robinson, and had to replace him, right? It's not like they have strong depth at that position. Guess what, we do. Wright and Brown should start and if Haden started from day 1 in front of either of them I would be very worried about our skill level at the position. Rookies usually don't start in front of vets, but I guess you are conveniently ignoring that.
You realize the Texans just lost their starting CB, Dunta Robinson, and had to replace him, right? It's not like they have strong depth at that position. Guess what, we do. Wright and Brown should start and if Haden started from day 1 in front of either of them I would be very worried about our skill level at the position. Rookies usually don't start in front of vets, but I guess you are conveniently ignoring that.
And the Jets have Darelle Revis and Cromartie 2 of the best in the game yet they drafted a CB in the first round.
I dont understand how Shep preaches that the NFL is a passing league (which I agree to an extent) but doesnt see the need to be able to stop it.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
WE don't owe him nothing and i only posted in this thread a couple of times. the main reason this thread went on so long is because you can't admit your true agenda here. you were hell bent to try and prove everyone wrong about the haden pick and lombardi's article was your "ammunition". you had nothing credible to back up your claims and you know it.
You kind of made my point. It's a very active debate... and a good one. Lombardi was just the jumping off point. Hell, OBR's cover story was about "Haden's Issues." We're ALL looking for things to dissect and discuss.
Some hated the pick, some didn't. That's always worth revisiting!
You kind of made my point. It's a very active debate... and a good one. Lombardi was just the jumping off point. Hell, OBR's cover story was about "Haden's Issues." We're ALL looking for things to dissect and discuss.
Some hated the pick, some didn't. That's always worth revisiting!
It isn't really an active or hot debate, when half the responses are people telling you that you're method and sources are cracked.
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You realize the Texans just lost their starting CB, Dunta Robinson, and had to replace him, right? It's not like they have strong depth at that position. Guess what, we do. Wright and Brown should start and if Haden started from day 1 in front of either of them I would be very worried about our skill level at the position. Rookies usually don't start in front of vets, but I guess you are conveniently ignoring that.
And the Jets have Darelle Revis and Cromartie 2 of the best in the game yet they drafted a CB in the first round.
I dont understand how Shep preaches that the NFL is a passing league (which I agree to an extent) but doesnt see the need to be able to stop it.
nmills said:
And the Jets have Darelle Revis and Cromartie 2 of the best in the game yet they drafted a CB in the first round.I dont understand how Shep preaches that the NFL is a passing league (which I agree to an extent) but doesnt see the need to be able to stop it.
You can't really stop it, given the NFL's desire for it to be a passing league... you just have to keep up. There's a reason there's only one Revis and then everybody else.
But I agree with Gruden, who said pass rush is going to be the key to at least muting the big passing games. Like the Saints got all over Favre... and the Saints don't have any superstar corners.
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You kind of made my point. It's a very active debate... and a good one. Lombardi was just the jumping off point. Hell, OBR's cover story was about "Haden's Issues." We're ALL looking for things to dissect and discuss.
Some hated the pick, some didn't. That's always worth revisiting!
It isn't really an active or hot debate, when half the responses are people telling you that you're method and sources are cracked.
It isn't really an active or hot debate, when half the responses are people telling you that you're method and sources are cracked.
Yeah, but they're wrong. ANOTHER hot debate!
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Yeah, but they're wrong. ANOTHER hot debate!
Yay...
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Yeah, but they're wrong. ANOTHER hot debate!
Yay...
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nmills said:
And the Jets have Darelle Revis and Cromartie 2 of the best in the game yet they drafted a CB in the first round.I dont understand how Shep preaches that the NFL is a passing league (which I agree to an extent) but doesnt see the need to be able to stop it.
You can't really stop it, given the NFL's desire for it to be a passing league... you just have to keep up. There's a reason there's only one Revis and then everybody else.
But I agree with Gruden, who said pass rush is going to be the key to at least muting the big passing games. Like the Saints got all over Favre... and the Saints don't have any superstar corners.
You can't really stop it, given the NFL's desire for it to be a passing league... you just have to keep up. There's a reason there's only one Revis and then everybody else.
Wrong, Asomugha is just as good if not better than Revis, but Revis gets the NY/national press. Every coach would love to have a guy like that, hence the Haden pick. Remember who drafted Revis? Oh yeah, Eric Mangini.
But I agree with Gruden, who said pass rush is going to be the key to at least muting the big passing games. Like the Saints got all over Favre... and the Saints don't have any superstar corners.
Wait, do you need a superstar CB or not? You just said Revis can stop a passing game, and then say you don't need good CBs. Hmm....
Pass rushing didn't make the Vikings lose in the NFCC, Favre deciding not to scramble for 4 yards with 10 yards of free space in front of him lost it (and a ton of fumbles).
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If anybody still questions that Lombardi has a hatred for everything browns here is further proof. Almost every team in the NFL has yet to sign draft picks, yet he feels a need to write an article about the Browns starting camp without 3 players signed.
Browns rookies report, but three aren't signed
Posted by Mike Florio on July 23, 2010 10:32 AM ET
On Monday, Browns coach Eric Mangini expressed optimism regarding the possibility that all of the team's draft picks will be signed before Friday, the day on which they report in advance of training camp.
But Friday has arrived, and three of the rookies have not yet been signed.
First-round cornerback Joe Haden, second-round safety T.J. Ward, and second-round running back Montario Hardesty don't have contract. Per the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the team was working as of Thursday night to get them signed.
Their presence isn't critical; camp doesn't open until next week. Still, today's the day the season begins for the rookies -- and a trio of fairly important draft picks may not be present
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If anybody still questions that Lombardi has a hatred for everything browns here is further proof. Almost every team in the NFL has yet to sign draft picks, yet he feels a need to write an article about the Browns starting camp without 3 players signed.
Browns rookies report, but three aren't signed
Posted by Mike Florio on July 23, 2010 10:32 AM ET
On Monday, Browns coach Eric Mangini expressed optimism regarding the possibility that all of the team's draft picks will be signed before Friday, the day on which they report in advance of training camp.
But Friday has arrived, and three of the rookies have not yet been signed.
First-round cornerback Joe Haden, second-round safety T.J. Ward, and second-round running back Montario Hardesty don't have contract. Per the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the team was working as of Thursday night to get them signed.
Their presence isn't critical; camp doesn't open until next week. Still, today's the day the season begins for the rookies -- and a trio of fairly important draft picks may not be present
nmills said:
If anybody still questions that Lombardi has a hatred for everything browns here is further proof. Almost every team in the NFL has yet to sign draft picks, yet he feels a need to write an article about the Browns starting camp without 3 players signed.__________ rookies report, but three aren't signed
Posted by Mike Florio on July 23, 2010 10:32 AM ET
On Monday, ______ coach ________ expressed optimism regarding the possibility that all of the team's draft picks will be signed before Friday, the day on which they report in advance of training camp.
But Friday has arrived, and ________ of the rookies have not yet been signed.
First-round _________________, second_________________, and third round ______________don't have contract. Per the ______________________, the team was working as of Thursday night to get them signed.
Their presence isn't critical; camp doesn't open until next week. Still, today's the day the season begins for the rookies -- and a trio of fairly important draft picks may not be present
The only thing I can think is that this is essentially the equivalent of a "form letter" you send out in business. Right the same story for all 32 teams, just insert the respective team name, coach name etc. just as I have done above.
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nmills said:
If anybody still questions that Lombardi has a hatred for everything browns here is further proof. Almost every team in the NFL has yet to sign draft picks, yet he feels a need to write an article about the Browns starting camp without 3 players signed.__________ rookies report, but three aren't signed
Posted by Mike Florio on July 23, 2010 10:32 AM ET
On Monday, ______ coach ________ expressed optimism regarding the possibility that all of the team's draft picks will be signed before Friday, the day on which they report in advance of training camp.
But Friday has arrived, and ________ of the rookies have not yet been signed.
First-round _________________, second_________________, and third round ______________don't have contract. Per the ______________________, the team was working as of Thursday night to get them signed.
Their presence isn't critical; camp doesn't open until next week. Still, today's the day the season begins for the rookies -- and a trio of fairly important draft picks may not be present
The only thing I can think is that this is essentially the equivalent of a "form letter" you send out in business. Right the same story for all 32 teams, just insert the respective team name, coach name etc. just as I have done above.
The only thing I can think is that this is essentially the equivalent of a "form letter" you send out in business. Right the same story for all 32 teams, just insert the respective team name, coach name etc. just as I have done above.
pretty much.
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You realize the Texans just lost their starting CB, Dunta Robinson, and had to replace him, right? It's not like they have strong depth at that position. Guess what, we do. Wright and Brown should start and if Haden started from day 1 in front of either of them I would be very worried about our skill level at the position. Rookies usually don't start in front of vets, but I guess you are conveniently ignoring that.
And the Jets have Darelle Revis and Cromartie 2 of the best in the game yet they drafted a CB in the first round.
I dont understand how Shep preaches that the NFL is a passing league (which I agree to an extent) but doesnt see the need to be able to stop it.
nmills said:
And the Jets have Darelle Revis and Cromartie 2 of the best in the game yet they drafted a CB in the first round. I dont understand how Shep preaches that the NFL is a passing league (which I agree to an extent) but doesnt see the need to be able to stop it.Umm cuz the Jets are smart... So are the Browns for drafting Haden.
If Haden started over Wright or Brown right away.. how sad would that be if he could walk in and take a vet's job like that. It would be a sad testimony on our secondary. and all the offseason work to make it better. That we drafted the top corner out of college who gave up ZERO td's his whole college career to be the #3 or #4 is awesome.. He can work on taking the vet's job once he masters the system and the nfl.. Not to mention.. some people seem to think we only need to cover 2 recievers on pass plays.. HELLO.. 4-5 reciever sets are pretty normal in our division now. Pitts, Cinci, and Balt ALL added multiple recievers in the offseason. We need a BUNCH .. a WHOLE BUNCH of great corners to be a great defense. We get Wright, Brown, Haden, B-mac and the improved safeties... Will be interesting.. Pray for some DL help and a pass rush and this could be very good.
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The Browns have been badly embarrassed when the defense fightgs like crazy, and on third/foutyth down, the opposing
offense simply passes to an open receiver for a first down anytime the game was on the line.
The Browns secondary had them laughing when they went back to huddle.
HAD to fix that problem.
Shep gets all wrankled and goes cross eyed again when the Browns don't draft a qb "god" in the top of the first round.
I didn't like the choices this past year... but wouldn't be afraid to bet that the Browns get one early next year, and let him sit
for a year.
The greass isn't greener on the other side of the fence.
With the talent available, the Browns probably had to pay too high a price
to trade down.
I'm with Holmgren, Heckert and Mangini. You had to fix the secondary.; and they DID.
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No matter how strong a pass rush we had, it seemed there was ALWAYS a wide open receiver. Strengthening the coverage also allows a Dline to play more aggressively, plus we may just see some coverage sacks. This year's defense could be VERY interesting. Personally, I would have been disappointed had they NOT taken Haden.
Mike
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ryan's defensive schemes, safety blitzes in particular, would've succeeded more often last year had we had a legitimate secondary. that's why we gave up so many big plays.
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