An ideal transition to the 4-3
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I don't like DQ on the outside and that leaves a GAPING hole up the middle...Bell is an unknown quantity and Peek isn't going to play MLB or even be with the team next year. I'd probably take a ILB instead of Orakpo and try Robaire out there.
mz. said:
I don't like DQ on the outside and that leaves a GAPING hole up the middle...Bell is an unknown quantity and Peek isn't going to play MLB or even be with the team next year. I'd probably take a ILB instead of Orakpo and try Robaire out there.So... you would put Robair at the Defensive End of a 4-3 defensive line....... Too Fat ...you need speed on the outside ... even in the 4-3.....
Tard!
If you want DQ in the middle
Then i would argue use Orre on the outside or even old man McGennest....
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i still say robaire is too slow.....
Wimbley played DE in college..... it may be what he needs!
OK... take out peek... add Bart Scott or Jomathan Vilma for you OLB spot....
The point is i think my original front 4 would work the best ....
Ill admit that i was probably off on the OLB and MLB with peek and DQwell...
But if you move DQwell over and add a OLB in Free agency we are sitting dam good!
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mz. said:
I don't like DQ on the outside and that leaves a GAPING hole up the middle...Bell is an unknown quantity and Peek isn't going to play MLB or even be with the team next year. I'd probably take a ILB instead of Orakpo and try Robaire out there.So... you would put Robair at the Defensive End of a 4-3 defensive line....... Too Fat ...you need speed on the outside ... even in the 4-3.....
Tard!
If you want DQ in the middle
Then i would argue use Orre on the outside or even old man McGennest....
Tard!
You seem very emotionally equipped to deal with disagreement.
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So ok i took into consideration the arguments presented me.... and now i would picture our front 7 like this!
Now what!
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makes a lot more sense than having d'qwell on the outside or robaire as a DE.
i still prefer the 3-4, though. the 4-3 is a more predictable D, and we've not explored the better options available in the 3-4.
it's better to slightly adjust your scheme than it is to change it entirely.
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Ok i am subbmitting one more front 7 line up ..... through free agency and the draft it could look like this........
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maybe you guys would like this
Ebinezar ekuban.........Gerad Warren..........Alven McKenly..............Kenard Lang
Studds..... All of them!
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Tard!
You seem very emotionally equipped to deal with disagreement.
mz. said:
You seem very emotionally equipped to deal with disagreement.I don't know, it seems perfectly normal to call someone a tard who slightly disagrees on a position player.
Moron!!!!
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maybe you guys would like this
Ebinezar ekuban.........Gerad Warren..........Alven McKenly..............Kenard Lang
Studds..... All of them!
Ebinezar ekuban.........Gerad Warren..........Alven McKenly..............Kenard Lang
I was hoping you'd go 4 for 4, reading from left to right, but you broke my heart when you spelled Kenard Lang correctly...
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Ebinezar ekuban.........Gerad Warren..........Alven McKenly..............Kenard Lang
I was hoping you'd go 4 for 4, reading from left to right, but you broke my heart when you spelled Kenard Lang correctly...
mz. said:
I was hoping you'd go 4 for 4, reading from left to right, but you broke my heart when you spelled Kenard Lang correctly...I guess you can spell those ghetto names off the top of your head but i cant..... they sucked and why are you making fun of my spelling anyway...... do you not have better things to do....
Tard!
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mz. said:
I was hoping you'd go 4 for 4, reading from left to right, but you broke my heart when you spelled Kenard Lang correctly...I guess you can spell those ghetto names off the top of your head but i cant..... they sucked and why are you making fun of my spelling anyway...... do you not have better things to do....
Tard!
I guess you can spell those ghetto names off the top of your head but i cant.
Ebenezer Ekuban's an African name, not "ghetto." And Alvin McKinley and Gerard Warren could both very well be names of lily-white South Carolina Senators.
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I guess you can spell those ghetto names off the top of your head but i cant.
Ebenezer Ekuban's an African name, not "ghetto." And Alvin McKinley and Gerard Warren could both very well be names of lily-white South Carolina Senators.
mz. said:
Ebenezer Ekuban's an African name, not "ghetto." And Alvin McKinley and Gerard Warren could both very well be names of lily-white South Carolina Senators.xxxx it man i thought we where talking football on here.... now your going all "what do you mean you people" on me....
Get a life man!
If you have something to add to this thread then do it...or STFU and go cry on the political board
I am simply saying this......
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Fine.
We will not be able to sign Suggs, so forget about it. And I maintain Robaire could be a serviceable DE (he has played there extensively in the past). If we signed Suggs (we won't) and drafted Orakpo, we'd have way too much $$$ invested in our D line; yet another reason it ain't happening.
Now you can STFU and move onto something else.
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Fine.
We will not be able to sign Suggs, so forget about it. And I maintain Robaire could be a serviceable DE (he has played there extensively in the past). If we signed Suggs (we won't) and drafted Orakpo, we'd have way too much $$$ invested in our D line; yet another reason it ain't happening.
Now you can STFU and move onto something else.
mz. said:
Fine.We will not be able to sign Suggs, so forget about it. And I maintain Robaire could be a serviceable DE (he has played there extensively in the past). If we signed Suggs (we won't) and drafted Orakpo, we'd have way too much $$$ invested in our D line; yet another reason it ain't happening.
Now you can STFU and move onto something else.
So why is suggs off limits....
And why would you want a "serviceable" Smith....
And why not invest in our DL.... the amount we are investing in them now aint cuttin it!
Thanx for keeping it football related... i know its in your nature to go all girly on everyone about everything but the topic!
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mz. said:
I don't like DQ on the outside and that leaves a GAPING hole up the middle...Bell is an unknown quantity and Peek isn't going to play MLB or even be with the team next year. I'd probably take a ILB instead of Orakpo and try Robaire out there.So... you would put Robair at the Defensive End of a 4-3 defensive line....... Too Fat ...you need speed on the outside ... even in the 4-3.....
Tard!
If you want DQ in the middle
Then i would argue use Orre on the outside or even old man McGennest....
So... you would put Robair at the Defensive End of a 4-3 defensive line....... Too Fat ...you need speed on the outside ... even in the 4-3.....
Tard!
Ummm....Smith successfully played DE for TEN in the 4-3. He's not the sack spead rusher at DE, but more the book-end. He plays LDE.
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So... you would put Robair at the Defensive End of a 4-3 defensive line....... Too Fat ...you need speed on the outside ... even in the 4-3.....
Tard!
Ummm....Smith successfully played DE for TEN in the 4-3. He's not the sack spead rusher at DE, but more the book-end. He plays LDE.
Masters said:
Ummm....Smith successfully played DE for TEN in the 4-3. He's not the sack spead rusher at DE, but more the book-end. He plays LDE.i would rather have suggs and orakpo.... agree to disagree....
looks like im out numbered anyway
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So ok i took into consideration the arguments presented me.... and now i would picture our front 7 like this!
Now what!
So ok i took into consideration the arguments presented me.... and now i would picture our front 7 like this!
Now what!
i like your original 7... though Matthews has been playing his ass of at DE this season and has been unstoppable... Put some weight on him, let him rush the passer, keep Wimbley at LB
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Matthews would be a great draft pick but i dont see him making it out of the first round you think we can get him in the second round he will more than likely be gone by then. he is what they say comes from good stock and is worth the money and being a first rounder. his father and uncle have paved the way for him and his bothers.
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If we switch base defenses, the transition will be anything but ideal. Unless you think that we've been playing with 4-3 personnel all along, there's going to be an adjustment period in which 4-3 guys are brought in & developed.
And I think making a transition-less switch to a 4-3 will be even more difficult this offseason. Why? There are very few guys available in free agency & the draft who'd be capable of playing strongside defensive end (LE) for us.
Yes, Robaire's played LE on run downs in the past, but big guys don't come back as quick after suffering Achilles injuries. I'm concerned about whether he'll even be an effective 3-4 DE; I don't think we can rely on him for a position that requires more speed.
Of the FA's, Julius Peppers will be way out of our price range, and Terrell Suggs is more of a RE than a LE. If you sign him, then Wimbley has to move back to linebacker (probably SLB), which I don't see happening.
Even Orakpo, the one constant in Roy's scenarios, mostly plays RE at Texas. He probably could play the strong-side, but he may be a better fit on the weakside. Other than him, I don't see anyone who could play LE from day one (maybe Greg Hardy, but he's got some durability/character issues).
So if we switch to a 4-3 & Orakpo is already off the board when we pick, what do we do?
If I were a GM stewarding our transition to a 4-3. here's what I'd do:
- Sign Angelo Crowell - Looked like a budding star at SLB in Buffalo's Tampa 2 before hurting his knee earlier this year.
May not be 100% to start next season, but that doesn't bother me too much. If anything, it might be a smart idea to let Leon Williams get a lot of time in camp at SLB; I think Shep's right about him possibly being a good 4-3 OLB.
If Leon plays well, you work Crowell into the starting lineup, or maybe having him man the other OLB spot.
- Sign Kevin Carter - Insurance policy in case you don't get Orakpo. At best, Carter has a year or two left in the tank, but he'd be good in a run/pass rotation with Alex Hall.
So you end up with this:
LE: Kevin Carter (run), Alex Hall (pass)
DT: Corey Williams
DT: Shaun Rogers
RE: Kamerion Wimbley
LOLB: Angelo Crowell, Leon Williams
MLB: D'Qwell Jackson
ROLB: Aaron Curry
By the way, it could be that the coaching staff would slide Curry inside to MLB and have DQ play the weakside. Either way, we'd have three solid linebackers.
The next year, you find your LE of the future. And depending on how Wimbley & Hall adjust to a 4-3, you may need to bring in two rushers.
But I don't think we'll be able to switch to a 4-3 without a t least one or two stopgap signings. If we stay in a 3-4, we may not have that problem.
- Sign Angelo Crowell - Looked like a budding star at SLB in Buffalo's Tampa 2 before hurting his knee earlier this year.
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If we switch base defenses, the transition will be anything but ideal. Unless you think that we've been playing with 4-3 personnel all along, there's going to be an adjustment period in which 4-3 guys are brought in & developed.
And I think making a transition-less switch to a 4-3 will be even more difficult this offseason. Why? There are very few guys available in free agency & the draft who'd be capable of playing strongside defensive end (LE) for us.
Yes, Robaire's played LE on run downs in the past, but big guys don't come back as quick after suffering Achilles injuries. I'm concerned about whether he'll even be an effective 3-4 DE; I don't think we can rely on him for a position that requires more speed.
Of the FA's, Julius Peppers will be way out of our price range, and Terrell Suggs is more of a RE than a LE. If you sign him, then Wimbley has to move back to linebacker (probably SLB), which I don't see happening.
Even Orakpo, the one constant in Roy's scenarios, mostly plays RE at Texas. He probably could play the strong-side, but he may be a better fit on the weakside. Other than him, I don't see anyone who could play LE from day one (maybe Greg Hardy, but he's got some durability/character issues).
So if we switch to a 4-3 & Orakpo is already off the board when we pick, what do we do?
If I were a GM stewarding our transition to a 4-3. here's what I'd do:
- Sign Angelo Crowell - Looked like a budding star at SLB in Buffalo's Tampa 2 before hurting his knee earlier this year.
May not be 100% to start next season, but that doesn't bother me too much. If anything, it might be a smart idea to let Leon Williams get a lot of time in camp at SLB; I think Shep's right about him possibly being a good 4-3 OLB.
If Leon plays well, you work Crowell into the starting lineup, or maybe having him man the other OLB spot.
- Sign Kevin Carter - Insurance policy in case you don't get Orakpo. At best, Carter has a year or two left in the tank, but he'd be good in a run/pass rotation with Alex Hall.
So you end up with this:
LE: Kevin Carter (run), Alex Hall (pass)
DT: Corey Williams
DT: Shaun Rogers
RE: Kamerion Wimbley
LOLB: Angelo Crowell, Leon Williams
MLB: D'Qwell Jackson
ROLB: Aaron Curry
By the way, it could be that the coaching staff would slide Curry inside to MLB and have DQ play the weakside. Either way, we'd have three solid linebackers.
The next year, you find your LE of the future. And depending on how Wimbley & Hall adjust to a 4-3, you may need to bring in two rushers.
But I don't think we'll be able to switch to a 4-3 without a t least one or two stopgap signings. If we stay in a 3-4, we may not have that problem.
Aloysius said:
If we switch base defenses, the transition will be anything but ideal. Unless you think that we've been playing with 4-3 personnel all along, there's going to be an adjustment period in which 4-3 guys are brought in & developed.And I think making a transition-less switch to a 4-3 will be even more difficult this offseason. Why? There are very few guys available in free agency & the draft who'd be capable of playing strongside defensive end (LE) for us.
Yes, Robaire's played LE on run downs in the past, but big guys don't come back as quick after suffering Achilles injuries. I'm concerned about whether he'll even be an effective 3-4 DE; I don't think we can rely on him for a position that requires more speed.
Of the FA's, Julius Peppers will be way out of our price range, and Terrell Suggs is more of a RE than a LE. If you sign him, then Wimbley has to move back to linebacker (probably SLB), which I don't see happening.
Even Orakpo, the one constant in Roy's scenarios, mostly plays RE at Texas. He probably could play the strong-side, but he may be a better fit on the weakside. Other than him, I don't see anyone who could play LE from day one (maybe Greg Hardy, but he's got some durability/character issues).
So if we switch to a 4-3 & Orakpo is already off the board when we pick, what do we do?
If I were a GM stewarding our transition to a 4-3. here's what I'd do:
- Sign Angelo Crowell - Looked like a budding star at SLB in Buffalo's Tampa 2 before hurting his knee earlier this year.
May not be 100% to start next season, but that doesn't bother me too much. If anything, it might be a smart idea to let Leon Williams get a lot of time in camp at SLB; I think Shep's right about him possibly being a good 4-3 OLB.
If Leon plays well, you work Crowell into the starting lineup, or maybe having him man the other OLB spot.
- Sign Kevin Carter - Insurance policy in case you don't get Orakpo. At best, Carter has a year or two left in the tank, but he'd be good in a run/pass rotation with Alex Hall.
So you end up with this:
LE: Kevin Carter (run), Alex Hall (pass)
DT: Corey Williams
DT: Shaun Rogers
RE: Kamerion Wimbley
LOLB: Angelo Crowell, Leon Williams
MLB: D'Qwell Jackson
ROLB: Aaron Curry
By the way, it could be that the coaching staff would slide Curry inside to MLB and have DQ play the weakside. Either way, we'd have three solid linebackers.
The next year, you find your LE of the future. And depending on how Wimbley & Hall adjust to a 4-3, you may need to bring in two rushers.
But I don't think we'll be able to switch to a 4-3 without a t least one or two stopgap signings. If we stay in a 3-4, we may not have that problem.
I dont understand... if Orakpo is of the board.... why not pick up Rey Mauluga ILB USC
That makes more since to me than free agency!
- Sign Angelo Crowell - Looked like a budding star at SLB in Buffalo's Tampa 2 before hurting his knee earlier this year.
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