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  • @thaak said:

    I agree with your first statement.

    And I agree with your second if it has nothing to do with Big Ben.

    But if you are suggesting that you can't imagine being a fan of the Steelers because of Ben... hmm...

    Did you stop becoming a fan of the Browns because of Stallworth?

    Thats two different things. Stallworth had an accident and ben did not... just sayin.

    @speedyd900rr said:

    Thats two different things. Stallworth had an accident and ben did not... just sayin.

    Then we got rid of Stallworth. He is not the face of our team.

    It taints the view of the Steelers organization, but fans will mostly just hate Ben.

  • @djdawg2010 said:

    See I'm sorry, and this is what I don't understand... With the exception of his family, why on God's green Earth would the whole town become Steelers fans????? I don't give flying f*** as to where he is from! The bottom line is he now wears the piss and black, and is therefore the "enemy!" Same went for Santonio Holmes. I loved the guy when he was with OSU, but as soon as he was drafted by the Steelers, that is where my loyalty ended. My loyalty to the Cleveland Browns supercedes where a player went to high school or college! And that is especially if they end up in Pittburgh! OK fine, I'll wish him well, but I sure as well ain't cheering for him! If you ain't wearing Orange and Brown, I ain't rootin' for ya! Call me a homer, but that is the way I roll.

    Yes, it is like I ranted about in another thread: Football/basketball/baseball are team games, not individual sports like golf and tennis. You root for a team. Its like, yes, I like LeBron James as a basketball player (though I always knew he was a bit of a jerk seeing that my nephew went through 6 years of school with him), one of the greatest ever probably, but I sure the hell am not going to root for some other team now that he has gone there. I am rooting for the Cavs. A person who comes from the same town as LeBron or BR can certainly like that player, but I am sure the F*** not going to root for another team just because he plays there.

    Bo Schembechler came from the very town I am sitting in right now, the same town I was born in. And he was a hell of a man and a hell of a coach, but; did that mean I was going to go root for Michigan because he coached there? EFFF NO!

    And well said: if you ain't wearing my home team's home colors, while I may still like and respect you, I ain't rooting for you.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, it is like I ranted about in another thread: Football/basketball/baseball are team games, not individual sports like golf and tennis. You root for a team. Its like, yes, I like LeBron James as a basketball player (though I always knew he was a bit of a jerk seeing that my nephew went through 6 years of school with him), one of the greatest ever probably, but I sure the hell am not going to root for some other team now that he has gone there. I am rooting for the Cavs. A person who comes from the same town as LeBron or BR can certainly like that player, but I am sure the F*** not going to root for another team just because he plays there.

    Bo Schembechler came from the very town I am sitting in right now, the same town I was born in. And he was a hell of a man and a hell of a coach, but; did that mean I was going to go root for Michigan because he coached there? EFFF NO!And well said: if you ain't wearing my home team's home colors, while I may still like and respect you, I ain't rooting for you.

    Yes! And, Chuck Noll is from Cleveland, as well as Jack Lambert is a local guy. They weren't with the Browns, soooooo....

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yes, it is like I ranted about in another thread: Football/basketball/baseball are team games, not individual sports like golf and tennis. You root for a team. Its like, yes, I like LeBron James as a basketball player (though I always knew he was a bit of a jerk seeing that my nephew went through 6 years of school with him), one of the greatest ever probably, but I sure the hell am not going to root for some other team now that he has gone there. I am rooting for the Cavs. A person who comes from the same town as LeBron or BR can certainly like that player, but I am sure the F*** not going to root for another team just because he plays there.

    Bo Schembechler came from the very town I am sitting in right now, the same town I was born in. And he was a hell of a man and a hell of a coach, but; did that mean I was going to go root for Michigan because he coached there? EFFF NO!And well said: if you ain't wearing my home team's home colors, while I may still like and respect you, I ain't rooting for you.

    Yes! And, Chuck Noll is from Cleveland, as well as Jack Lambert is a local guy. They weren't with the Browns, soooooo....

    @djdawg2010 said:

    Yes! And, Chuck Noll is from Cleveland, as well as Jack Lambert is a local guy. They weren't with the Browns, soooooo....

    Scratch that... Chuck Noll did play for the Browns, but he coached the Steelers.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yes, it is like I ranted about in another thread: Football/basketball/baseball are team games, not individual sports like golf and tennis. You root for a team. Its like, yes, I like LeBron James as a basketball player (though I always knew he was a bit of a jerk seeing that my nephew went through 6 years of school with him), one of the greatest ever probably, but I sure the hell am not going to root for some other team now that he has gone there. I am rooting for the Cavs. A person who comes from the same town as LeBron or BR can certainly like that player, but I am sure the F*** not going to root for another team just because he plays there.

    Bo Schembechler came from the very town I am sitting in right now, the same town I was born in. And he was a hell of a man and a hell of a coach, but; did that mean I was going to go root for Michigan because he coached there? EFFF NO!And well said: if you ain't wearing my home team's home colors, while I may still like and respect you, I ain't rooting for you.

    Yes! And, Chuck Noll is from Cleveland, as well as Jack Lambert is a local guy. They weren't with the Browns, soooooo....

    @djdawg2010 said:

    Yes! And, Chuck Noll is from Cleveland, as well as Jack Lambert is a local guy. They weren't with the Browns, soooooo....

    Exactly- and Noll even went to the same High School (Benedictine) and College (University of Dayton) that I went to- did I ever root for him when he coached the Steelers? Hell no!!!!

    That's not to say you don't have a certain pride when the local guy rises to the top.

  • @djdawg2010 said:

    See I'm sorry, and this is what I don't understand... With the exception of his family, why on God's green Earth would the whole town become Steelers fans????? I don't give flying f*** as to where he is from! The bottom line is he now wears the piss and black, and is therefore the "enemy!" Same went for Santonio Holmes. I loved the guy when he was with OSU, but as soon as he was drafted by the Steelers, that is where my loyalty ended. My loyalty to the Cleveland Browns supercedes where a player went to high school or college! And that is especially if they end up in Pittburgh! OK fine, I'll wish him well, but I sure as well ain't cheering for him! If you ain't wearing Orange and Brown, I ain't rootin' for ya! Call me a homer, but that is the way I roll.

    Yes, it is like I ranted about in another thread: Football/basketball/baseball are team games, not individual sports like golf and tennis. You root for a team. Its like, yes, I like LeBron James as a basketball player (though I always knew he was a bit of a jerk seeing that my nephew went through 6 years of school with him), one of the greatest ever probably, but I sure the hell am not going to root for some other team now that he has gone there. I am rooting for the Cavs. A person who comes from the same town as LeBron or BR can certainly like that player, but I am sure the F*** not going to root for another team just because he plays there.

    Bo Schembechler came from the very town I am sitting in right now, the same town I was born in. And he was a hell of a man and a hell of a coach, but; did that mean I was going to go root for Michigan because he coached there? EFFF NO!

    And well said: if you ain't wearing my home team's home colors, while I may still like and respect you, I ain't rooting for you.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, it is like I ranted about in another thread: Football/basketball/baseball are team games, not individual sports like golf and tennis. You root for a team. Its like, yes, I like LeBron James as a basketball player (though I always knew he was a bit of a jerk seeing that my nephew went through 6 years of school with him), one of the greatest ever probably, but I sure the hell am not going to root for some other team now that he has gone there. I am rooting for the Cavs. A person who comes from the same town as LeBron or BR can certainly like that player, but I am sure the F*** not going to root for another team just because he plays there.

    Bo Schembechler came from the very town I am sitting in right now, the same town I was born in. And he was a hell of a man and a hell of a coach, but; did that mean I was going to go root for Michigan because he coached there? EFFF NO!

    And well said: if you ain't wearing my home team's home colors, while I may still like and respect you, I ain't rooting for you.

    I sure the WHOLE TOWN statement was an exaggeration, but there are also many fans of football who aren't die hard fans like you find on this board. I could definately see how many of those fair weather fans could have easily started rooting for the Steelers and made life a little more annoying in Findley. Look at all of the Cavs fans that came out of the woodwork once Lebron started playing for the Cavs. I grew up in Canton and I can tell you that there were many more Cavs fans since Lebron then there were before.

    Not saying that I like these types of fans but I am at least willing to realize that they are out there.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yes, it is like I ranted about in another thread: Football/basketball/baseball are team games, not individual sports like golf and tennis. You root for a team. Its like, yes, I like LeBron James as a basketball player (though I always knew he was a bit of a jerk seeing that my nephew went through 6 years of school with him), one of the greatest ever probably, but I sure the hell am not going to root for some other team now that he has gone there. I am rooting for the Cavs. A person who comes from the same town as LeBron or BR can certainly like that player, but I am sure the F*** not going to root for another team just because he plays there.

    Bo Schembechler came from the very town I am sitting in right now, the same town I was born in. And he was a hell of a man and a hell of a coach, but; did that mean I was going to go root for Michigan because he coached there? EFFF NO!

    And well said: if you ain't wearing my home team's home colors, while I may still like and respect you, I ain't rooting for you.

    I sure the WHOLE TOWN statement was an exaggeration, but there are also many fans of football who aren't die hard fans like you find on this board. I could definately see how many of those fair weather fans could have easily started rooting for the Steelers and made life a little more annoying in Findley. Look at all of the Cavs fans that came out of the woodwork once Lebron started playing for the Cavs. I grew up in Canton and I can tell you that there were many more Cavs fans since Lebron then there were before.

    Not saying that I like these types of fans but I am at least willing to realize that they are out there.

    @browns57 said:

    I sure the WHOLE TOWN statement was an exaggeration, but there are also many fans of football who aren't die hard fans like you find on this board. I could definately see how many of those fair weather fans could have easily started rooting for the Steelers and made life a little more annoying in Findley. Look at all of the Cavs fans that came out of the woodwork once Lebron started playing for the Cavs. I grew up in Canton and I can tell you that there were many more Cavs fans since Lebron then there were before.

    Not saying that I like these types of fans but I am at least willing to realize that they are out there.

    I feel like I have to defend my old home turf a little bit. I dont think it was even the fair weather fans that gave the impretion that Findlay was all of a sudden a squellers town. If you drove through town after Ben was drafted you mostly saw businesses jumping on the band wagon. Like signs and banners on the bars near the colleges proclaiming that "Ben was here" they were just trying to capitalize on the fact that the town now had a celebrity. Their first one I might add. Havent been there for about a year but I would be willing to bet those signs arent there anymore. While Im on the subject of businesses jumping on the wagon the last game I came up for I went to a K Mart in middleberg Heights to buy a pair of gloves. I was pissed off to see their gear split about 50/50 Browns and squellers. Again just someone trying to capitalize on someones sucess. Looking forward to the near future when the only stuff available in C town will be all Browns. Mt Cory and Rawson consolidated years ago to form Cory Rawson School. They constantly kicked my schools ass for the last 40 yrs ( Vanlue H.S. was and still is the smallest school in Ohio to field a football team). Go Browns. See everyone in September.

  • If you are a Buckeye by birth and go play for Michigan or Pittsburgh, you then becaome a Suckeye.

    Black listed for life. Put an 8 ball on their foreheads.

  • I hope he doesn't change his name.

    Findlay is surely happy he did.

    What a disaster the sleazeball is.

    @calfoxwc said:

    I hope he doesn't change his name.

    Findlay is surely happy he did.

    What a disaster the sleazeball is.

    I'll be sure to take a picture of the 2 lombardi's and the others he'll no doubt earn before he retires. If he wore brown and orange this wouldn't even be a argument. You took Kellen "I'm a solider" Winslow instead.

  • A sleazebag defending a sleazebag.... Once again when you're unable to defend your point or player you have to throw in the lombardi's... Thats all you have, around here we refer to ours as world championships.....

    T.Dawg

  • The last time I looked, Winslow never raped a 20 year old drunken college girl.........

    T.Dawg

  • A sleazebag defending a sleazebag.... Once again when you're unable to defend your point or player you have to throw in the lombardi's... Thats all you have, around here we refer to ours as world championships.....

    T.Dawg

    @daddybull1 said:

    A sleazebag defending a sleazebag.... Once again when you're unable to defend your point or player you have to throw in the lombardi's... Thats all you have, around here we refer to ours as world championships.....

    T.Dawg

    Please. I've ripped apart that entire scenario. I can argue the point until the cows come home but 9 times out of 10 it falls on deaf ears because he plays for the Steelers and this is a Browns message board. Just use the search engine. I'm sure you can dig up my arguments. Oh and the world championships line is hilarious? Less teams, less skilled athletes. Some World Championship.

    Fact of the matter is Ben wasn't convicted nor should he have been. The girl in question was/is ridiculous and her ridiculousness is the reason nothing transpired. She changed her story several times and it's the reason the DA through it out. That and zero circumstantial evidence and the last I checked we live in a world that built it's foundation on "innocent until proven guilty" and proof was not provided. He's working to build back his reputation. He's in the best shape of his career, doing everything and more to get back on track and deserves a second chance. The fact that he's a winner, a top 5 QB and has two championships before he's 28 speaks volumes about his ability on the field. Should we start talking about Donte Stallworth? Shaun Rogers? Smith? Most recently Lawson. I can certainly continue down that path. Sleezbag? what because I'm not a damn idiot?

    R.Dawg

  • The last time I looked, Winslow never raped a 20 year old drunken college girl.........

    T.Dawg

    @daddybull1 said:

    The last time I looked, Winslow never raped a 20 year old drunken college girl.........

    T.Dawg

    Neither did Ben. Winslow just stunts motorcycles in to trees and breaks bones. He at least had enough sense to get the hell out of Cleveland.

  • Neither did Ben Whaaaaaaat???????

    You are either totally ignorant or so blinded by your hero worship that you can't tell right from left...

    Tell you what, why don't you hook up your sister with Ben, but then again she's probably used to that shit......

    I sincerely hope the girl and that prosecutor enjoy their new SUV's.....

    T.Dawg

  • Neither did Ben Whaaaaaaat???????

    You are either totally ignorant or so blinded by your hero worship that you can't tell right from left...

    Tell you what, why don't you hook up your sister with Ben, but then again she's probably used to that shit......

    I sincerely hope the girl and that prosecutor enjoy their new SUV's.....

    T.Dawg

    @daddybull1 said:

    Neither did Ben Whaaaaaaat???????

    You are either totally ignorant or so blinded by your hero worship that you can't tell right from left...

    Tell you what, why don't you hook up your sister with Ben, but then again she's probably used to that shit......

    I sincerely hope the girl and that prosecutor enjoy their new SUV's.....

    T.Dawg

    The girl in question was acting like a slut hence the "DTF" name tags. According to every eye witness report which is now public record she was ALL OVER Ben all night. Following him from bar to bar. She and he did whatever they did and in poor taste but based on all the circumstantial evidence he didn't rape the girl in question. Her sorority sisters obviously caught wind of what went down and drew up a plan to save face. THe girls story changed 5 different times, also of public record and once again zero evidence. I won't deny that Big Ben was a dip sh.it dick thinker but he's no rapist. As far as my sister is concerned she turned Big Ben down. Yes he did actually have his entourage try and corral her in to his congregation of females and friends. She told the guy in question "If Ben wants to talk to me, he can come over and talk to me, otherwise I'm not interested in being a part of the meat wagon" True story. Fact of the matter is I piss more intelligence than you every morning. You can't put together a damn paragraph properly, hate the Steelers and certainly didn't take the time to read anything about the case outside what you've heard in your Retard circles. The case and the "evidence" or lack thereof is public record FYI. You can actually go and read everything for yourself and see exactly why a conviction never occurred and for good reason. If the DA says there is no case why would anyone have to pay of anyone? There isn't anything to prosecute on, unless of course you feel the DA was bought and then the girl and the girls family.

    If that's the case I'll mail you some tin foil and a set up jumper cables. Make yourself a hat and hook yourself up to the hoopty in your drive way. Are people really this dumb? Better yet are YOU really this dumb?

    EDIT: I almost forgot.

    R.Dawg

  • This guy is pathetic.

    I can't imagine being a fan of this guy or this team.

    @riffer-x said:

    This guy is pathetic.

    seriously! what a bitch move and an utter display of immaturity. ben is almost 30 years old and he's going to disown his hometown because some people from his hometown have made comments about his dirty deeds? really? HE MADE UP A NAME AND IS NOW LISTING THIS MADE UP NAME AS HIS HOMETOWN? 😳😵 wow, unbelievable! this loser just regressed to the maturity level of a 3rd grader. 😆

  • @riffer-x said:

    This guy is pathetic.

    seriously! what a bitch move and an utter display of immaturity. ben is almost 30 years old and he's going to disown his hometown because some people from his hometown have made comments about his dirty deeds? really? HE MADE UP A NAME AND IS NOW LISTING THIS MADE UP NAME AS HIS HOMETOWN? 😳😵 wow, unbelievable! this loser just regressed to the maturity level of a 3rd grader. 😆

    @sj_browns said:

    seriously! what a bitch move and an utter display of immaturity. ben is almost 30 years old and he's going to disown his hometown because some people have made comments about his dirty deeds? really? HE MADE UP A NAME AND IS NOW LISTING THIS MADE UP NAME AS HIS HOMETOWN? 😳😵 wow, unbelievable! this loser just regressed to the maturity level of a 3rd grader. 😆

    Don't talk about regressing to a 3rd grade level, most of this message board resides within that mental capacity. As far as Ben is concerned who cares. His hometown had some people that didn't have anything nice to say. As a hometown you would think the benefit of the doubt would be provided especially if his parents still live in Findlay. I don't know if they do. It's no worse than Kellen Winslow calling himself a "soldier"

    I'd disown my hometown too if individuals of prominence had a bunch of stupid, unfounded sh.it to say. I'd wager most people would do the same. I thought you guys didn't want to talk Steelers around here? Yet day after day a new one pops up. Talking about us won't change your luck. You're still gonna suck. Man I'm like Dr. Seuss up in this piece.

    R. Dawg

  • @daddybull1 said:

    Neither did Ben Whaaaaaaat???????

    You are either totally ignorant or so blinded by your hero worship that you can't tell right from left...

    Tell you what, why don't you hook up your sister with Ben, but then again she's probably used to that shit......

    I sincerely hope the girl and that prosecutor enjoy their new SUV's.....

    T.Dawg

    The girl in question was acting like a slut hence the "DTF" name tags. According to every eye witness report which is now public record she was ALL OVER Ben all night. Following him from bar to bar. She and he did whatever they did and in poor taste but based on all the circumstantial evidence he didn't rape the girl in question. Her sorority sisters obviously caught wind of what went down and drew up a plan to save face. THe girls story changed 5 different times, also of public record and once again zero evidence. I won't deny that Big Ben was a dip sh.it dick thinker but he's no rapist. As far as my sister is concerned she turned Big Ben down. Yes he did actually have his entourage try and corral her in to his congregation of females and friends. She told the guy in question "If Ben wants to talk to me, he can come over and talk to me, otherwise I'm not interested in being a part of the meat wagon" True story. Fact of the matter is I piss more intelligence than you every morning. You can't put together a damn paragraph properly, hate the Steelers and certainly didn't take the time to read anything about the case outside what you've heard in your Retard circles. The case and the "evidence" or lack thereof is public record FYI. You can actually go and read everything for yourself and see exactly why a conviction never occurred and for good reason. If the DA says there is no case why would anyone have to pay of anyone? There isn't anything to prosecute on, unless of course you feel the DA was bought and then the girl and the girls family.

    If that's the case I'll mail you some tin foil and a set up jumper cables. Make yourself a hat and hook yourself up to the hoopty in your drive way. Are people really this dumb? Better yet are YOU really this dumb?

    EDIT: I almost forgot.

    R.Dawg

    Homotron said:

    The girl in question was acting like a slut hence the "DTF" name tags. According to every eye witness report which is now public record she was ALL OVER Ben all night. Following him from bar to bar. She and he did whatever they did and in poor taste but based on all the circumstantial evidence he didn't rape the girl in question. Her sorority sisters obviously caught wind of what went down and drew up a plan to save face. THe girls story changed 5 different times, also of public record and once again zero evidence. I won't deny that Big Ben was a dip sh.it dick thinker but he's no rapist. As far as my sister is concerned she turned Big Ben down. Yes he did actually have his entourage try and corral her in to his congregation of females and friends. She told the guy in question "If Ben wants to talk to me, he can come over and talk to me, otherwise I'm not interested in being a part of the meat wagon" True story. Fact of the matter is I piss more intelligence than you every morning. You can't put together a damn paragraph properly, hate the Steelers and certainly didn't take the time to read anything about the case outside what you've heard in your Retard circles. The case and the "evidence" or lack thereof is public record FYI. You can actually go and read everything for yourself and see exactly why a conviction never occurred and for good reason. If the DA says there is no case why would anyone have to pay of anyone? There isn't anything to prosecute on, unless of course you feel the DA was bought and then the girl and the girls family.

    If that's the case I'll mail you some tin foil and a set up jumper cables. Make yourself a hat and hook yourself up to the hoopty in your drive way. Are people really this dumb? Better yet are YOU really this dumb?

    EDIT: I almost forgot.

    R.Dawg

    The fact is that Roethlisberger is thin-skinned, and does not have the balls to face his town and his own team.

    End of topic/

    Thread is declared over and why are we still fighting over the Milledgeville case, it's done over with, and the topic was about the immaturity of Roethlisberger.

  • Homotron said:

    The girl in question was acting like a slut hence the "DTF" name tags. According to every eye witness report which is now public record she was ALL OVER Ben all night. Following him from bar to bar. She and he did whatever they did and in poor taste but based on all the circumstantial evidence he didn't rape the girl in question. Her sorority sisters obviously caught wind of what went down and drew up a plan to save face. THe girls story changed 5 different times, also of public record and once again zero evidence. I won't deny that Big Ben was a dip sh.it dick thinker but he's no rapist. As far as my sister is concerned she turned Big Ben down. Yes he did actually have his entourage try and corral her in to his congregation of females and friends. She told the guy in question "If Ben wants to talk to me, he can come over and talk to me, otherwise I'm not interested in being a part of the meat wagon" True story. Fact of the matter is I piss more intelligence than you every morning. You can't put together a damn paragraph properly, hate the Steelers and certainly didn't take the time to read anything about the case outside what you've heard in your Retard circles. The case and the "evidence" or lack thereof is public record FYI. You can actually go and read everything for yourself and see exactly why a conviction never occurred and for good reason. If the DA says there is no case why would anyone have to pay of anyone? There isn't anything to prosecute on, unless of course you feel the DA was bought and then the girl and the girls family.

    If that's the case I'll mail you some tin foil and a set up jumper cables. Make yourself a hat and hook yourself up to the hoopty in your drive way. Are people really this dumb? Better yet are YOU really this dumb?

    EDIT: I almost forgot.

    R.Dawg

    The fact is that Roethlisberger is thin-skinned, and does not have the balls to face his town and his own team.

    End of topic/

    Thread is declared over and why are we still fighting over the Milledgeville case, it's done over with, and the topic was about the immaturity of Roethlisberger.

    @dawgpound3 said:

    The fact is that Roethlisberger is thin-skinned, and does not have the balls to face his town and his own team.

    End of topic/

    Thread is declared over and why are we still fighting over the Milledgeville case, it's done over with, and the topic was about the immaturity of Roethlisberger.

    Who said anything about not facing his own town. He chose to exclude it, big deal. My bad thread ender. I didn't realize you carried that sort of weight around here. You should "end threads" more often. It's like a super power.

    EDIT:

    R.Dawg

  • @riffer-x said:

    This guy is pathetic.

    I can't imagine being a fan of this guy or this team.

    I agree with your first statement.

    And I agree with your second if it has nothing to do with Big Ben.

    But if you are suggesting that you can't imagine being a fan of the Steelers because of Ben... hmm...

    Did you stop becoming a fan of the Browns because of Stallworth?

    @thaak said:

    I agree with your first statement.

    And I agree with your second if it has nothing to do with Big Ben.

    But if you are suggesting that you can't imagine being a fan of the Steelers because of Ben... hmm...

    Did you stop becoming a fan of the Browns because of Stallworth?

    Hardly... see, we disposed of Stallworth for his misgivings....

    The Steelers, meanwhile, ship the non-white Santonio Holmes out of town for his crap...

    But they let the white Big Ben the Rapist stay.....

    Yeah, way too easy to call the line on that one.

  • @thaak said:

    I agree with your first statement.

    And I agree with your second if it has nothing to do with Big Ben.

    But if you are suggesting that you can't imagine being a fan of the Steelers because of Ben... hmm...

    Did you stop becoming a fan of the Browns because of Stallworth?

    Thats two different things. Stallworth had an accident and ben did not... just sayin.

    @speedyd900rr said:

    Thats two different things. Stallworth had an accident and ben did not... just sayin.

    Accident? Dude was hammered and ran over a dude. If he were sober it would be one thing but he was well over the legal limit and he was convicted.