AFC North predictions
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The problem is that who do you have to replace Adams? Hint, hint: There aren't all any. They all suck.
Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Tony Hills. Someone can certainly step over there. Tony Hills played pretty well in the first preseason game. Pittsburgh always has someone to step in and that's the difference between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams.
Homotron said:
Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Tony Hills. Someone can certainly step over there. Tony Hills played pretty well in the first preseason game. Pittsburgh always has someone to step in and that's the difference between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams.What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
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You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Yes, this "gentleman" only sees it one way: "Delhomme is over the hill and will be terrible" ...But....Adams will "settle in and adjust".
Yes, this "gentleman" only sees it one way: "Delhomme is over the hill and will be terrible" ...But....Adams will "settle in and adjust".
A QB and a offensive tackle are like trying to compare Kate Beckinsale to Barbara Walters based on level of attraction. One commands the offense the other is merely a part of one. Jake Delhomme is f.ucking terrible and if Adams is he'll get cut and we'll move someone else over. You're problem will be season long. Ours will is easily eliminated. Adams did not get a front loaded contract. We cut him it's of minimal consequence.
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Homotron said:
Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Tony Hills. Someone can certainly step over there. Tony Hills played pretty well in the first preseason game. Pittsburgh always has someone to step in and that's the difference between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams.What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.
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Ravens 11-5
Browns 10-6
Bengals 7-9
Steelers 6-10
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baltimore will take it,
then cinncinn will beat out the squealers.
then sadly, our brownies.
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here's something to think about, in regards to ben and pittsburgh's oline issues. ben has about 3-4 nfl related concussions and 1 non nfl related concussion (motorcycle incident). how much more physical abuse will this guy get from being behind a suspect oline till he racks up one too many concussions? the nfl's new policies on concussions are very strict. a certain amount of concussions and you'll be forced to retire.
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i believe he'd invite that SJ.
hello paid vacation for life!!
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Yes, this "gentleman" only sees it one way: "Delhomme is over the hill and will be terrible" ...But....Adams will "settle in and adjust".
A QB and a offensive tackle are like trying to compare Kate Beckinsale to Barbara Walters based on level of attraction. One commands the offense the other is merely a part of one. Jake Delhomme is f.ucking terrible and if Adams is he'll get cut and we'll move someone else over. You're problem will be season long. Ours will is easily eliminated. Adams did not get a front loaded contract. We cut him it's of minimal consequence.
Homotron said:
A QB and a offensive tackle are like trying to compare Kate Beckinsale to Barbara Walters based on level of attraction. One commands the offense the other is merely a part of one. Jake Delhomme is f.ucking terrible and if Adams is he'll get cut and we'll move someone else over. You're problem will be season long. Ours will is easily eliminated. Adams did not get a front loaded contract. We cut him it's of minimal consequence.Well, that is just your way of minimizing the problem you face.
Despite the potential difference of importance in the positions, the analysis is still the same. You think that Adams will adjust and settle in....simply because he is now a Steeler. You don't think Delhomme will adjust and settle in....simply because he is a Brown. That is the bottom line with you, pure and simple.
If Delhomme is terrible he'll get cut and we'll move someone else in. If Adams is terrible he may be cut and someone else moved in. If that is the case, your problem at RT will endure just as long as our problem at QB.
We believe we do have a competent backup to put in at QB right now. A semi-proven veteran. Can you say the same for your RT position?
Yes, the positions may not be of equal importance, but the analysis is the same.
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What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.
Homotron said:
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
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Homotron said:
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
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See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
OK, they haven't quite had the same talent, but the disparity in performance is due to far more than the disparity in talent.
As I have said many times, LeBeau epitomizes the old statement made by Bum Phillips about Don Shula: "He can take his'n and beat your'n, or he can take your'n and beat his'n". LeBeau could have probably taken the talent that the Browns have had over the years and gotten them to play better than the talent he has had with the Steelers over the years...even though that talent the Steelers have had is/was innately better than that of the Browns.
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See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
Thank god. We've obviously disagreed here and there but for the most part you've been completely objective with some homer mixed in which is usually what I project in my arguments. The Browns are in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ANYWHERE CLOSE on the defensive side or the offensive side for that matter. It's not EVEN close and to insinuate that there is even a small comparison just about throws out any credibility you may have had before making that statement. (obviously directed at Gip here)
I don't think I need to break the roster down and if I did it would be downright shameful for you to even attempt to argue otherwise. Post that statement Gip on any other NFL message board and you'll be laughed right off it. You're a man of experience? Dream experience? alternate reality? Did you recently hit the new Harry Potter theme park in Universal? I'm making a joke of it but seriously. On what planet do the Browns have even half the talent the Steelers do defensively? The only player on your entire defense that could crack our starting lineup is Shaun Rogers and even then he'd split downs with Casey Hampton. There is no other starter on your "dream world" defense that would smell the field. Eric Wright would play Nickel and Joe Haden is unproven at this point.
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I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
OK, they haven't quite had the same talent, but the disparity in performance is due to far more than the disparity in talent.
As I have said many times, LeBeau epitomizes the old statement made by Bum Phillips about Don Shula: "He can take his'n and beat your'n, or he can take your'n and beat his'n". LeBeau could have probably taken the talent that the Browns have had over the years and gotten them to play better than the talent he has had with the Steelers over the years...even though that talent the Steelers have had is/was innately better than that of the Browns.
OK, they haven't quite had the same talent, but the disparity in performance is due to far more than the disparity in talent.
As I have said many times, LeBeau epitomizes the old statement made by Bum Phillips about Don Shula: "He can take his'n and beat your'n, or he can take your'n and beat his'n". LeBeau could have probably taken the talent that the Browns have had over the years and gotten them to play better than the talent he has had with the Steelers over the years...even though that talent the Steelers have had is/was innately better than that of the Browns
.Honestly what is wrong with you? Lebeau could have taken the Talent the Browns have and had more success with that roster than the Steelers roster? It's not close Gipper. It's not even close. You're talking about arguably the best LB corp in the NFL for one. One of the top 5 defensive lines in the NFL. Aaron Smith is arguably the best 3-4 defensive end in the league and Hampton is a top 5 defensive tackle. Keisel is a underrated high motor guy that fits Lebeau's system. (Player one that fit's your argument)
You then have Troy Polamalu arguably the best safety in the game and Ike Taylor who would make the pro-bowl routinely if he could catch the damn ball. Please if you'd like take the time to break down the Browns roster and then the Steelers roster and show me an area where a Brown would even crack the starting line up. The only areas where a possibility even exists and even then it's remote is corner opposite Ike and our nickel backs. No sane individual would ever make this argument ridiculous homer or not. Your making something out of nothing argument does not work AT ALL in this instance. You sound like a idiot. I guess maybe you are one.
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OK, they haven't quite had the same talent, but the disparity in performance is due to far more than the disparity in talent.
As I have said many times, LeBeau epitomizes the old statement made by Bum Phillips about Don Shula: "He can take his'n and beat your'n, or he can take your'n and beat his'n". LeBeau could have probably taken the talent that the Browns have had over the years and gotten them to play better than the talent he has had with the Steelers over the years...even though that talent the Steelers have had is/was innately better than that of the Browns
.Honestly what is wrong with you? Lebeau could have taken the Talent the Browns have and had more success with that roster than the Steelers roster? It's not close Gipper. It's not even close. You're talking about arguably the best LB corp in the NFL for one. One of the top 5 defensive lines in the NFL. Aaron Smith is arguably the best 3-4 defensive end in the league and Hampton is a top 5 defensive tackle. Keisel is a underrated high motor guy that fits Lebeau's system. (Player one that fit's your argument)
You then have Troy Polamalu arguably the best safety in the game and Ike Taylor who would make the pro-bowl routinely if he could catch the damn ball. Please if you'd like take the time to break down the Browns roster and then the Steelers roster and show me an area where a Brown would even crack the starting line up. The only areas where a possibility even exists and even then it's remote is corner opposite Ike and our nickel backs. No sane individual would ever make this argument ridiculous homer or not. Your making something out of nothing argument does not work AT ALL in this instance. You sound like a idiot. I guess maybe you are one.
Homotron said:
Honestly what is wrong with you? Lebeau could have taken the Talent the Browns have and had more success with that roster than the Steelers roster? It's not close Gipper. It's not even close. You're talking about arguably the best LB corp in the NFL for one. One of the top 5 defensive lines in the NFL. Aaron Smith is arguably the best 3-4 defensive end in the league and Hampton is a top 5 defensive tackle. Keisel is a underrated high motor guy that fits Lebeau's system. (Player one that fit's your argument)You then have Troy Polamalu arguably the best safety in the game and Ike Taylor who would make the pro-bowl routinely if he could catch the damn ball. Please if you'd like take the time to break down the Browns roster and then the Steelers roster and show me an area where a Brown would even crack the starting line up. The only areas where a possibility even exists and even then it's remote is corner opposite Ike and our nickel backs. No sane individual would ever make this argument ridiculous homer or not. Your making something out of nothing argument does not work AT ALL in this instance. You sound like a idiot. I guess maybe you are one.
Offensive line, cornerbacks, defensive tackles, kick returners, running backs.
These are all position where the Browns would compete with the Stoolers.
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See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
Good point, pizzadeliveryguy but did ever notice that once the Steelers' players leave for a another team, they are not as good... Hmm, I wonder why.... Dick Lebeau certainly has something to do with it.
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I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
Good point, pizzadeliveryguy but did ever notice that once the Steelers' players leave for a another team, they are not as good... Hmm, I wonder why.... Dick Lebeau certainly has something to do with it.
Good point, pizzadeliveryguy but did ever notice that once the Steelers' players leave for a another team, they are not as good... Hmm, I wonder why.... Dick Lebeau certainly has something to do with it.
Do you have any stats to back that up? I'm not saying you are wrong but I am honestly curious now. The only one that I checked out was Porter and he put up better numbers after he left the Steelers.
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I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
Good point, pizzadeliveryguy but did ever notice that once the Steelers' players leave for a another team, they are not as good... Hmm, I wonder why.... Dick Lebeau certainly has something to do with it.
Good point, pizzadeliveryguy but did ever notice that once the Steelers' players leave for a another team, they are not as good... Hmm, I wonder why.... Dick Lebeau certainly has something to do with it.
How many players leave the Steelers in the prime of their career? Not many.
And Dawgpound the primary argument was Defense and dick Lebeau. Running backs? lol based on what exactly? Harrison running over sh.it defenses when the game was/is clearly out of hand. Mendenhall is a much better RB than anyone on your roster. DT is a complete and total wash. Cornerback is debatable and I've never argued offensive line. You have two first round picks on your line. I'm not sure where Steinbech was drafted by the bungles.
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Good point, pizzadeliveryguy but did ever notice that once the Steelers' players leave for a another team, they are not as good... Hmm, I wonder why.... Dick Lebeau certainly has something to do with it.
How many players leave the Steelers in the prime of their career? Not many.
And Dawgpound the primary argument was Defense and dick Lebeau. Running backs? lol based on what exactly? Harrison running over sh.it defenses when the game was/is clearly out of hand. Mendenhall is a much better RB than anyone on your roster. DT is a complete and total wash. Cornerback is debatable and I've never argued offensive line. You have two first round picks on your line. I'm not sure where Steinbech was drafted by the bungles.
Homotron said:
Running backs? lol based on what exactly? Harrison running over sh.it defenses when the game was/is clearly out of hand. Mendenhall is a much better RB than anyone on your roster.Not so much. Against like opponents in 2009.......
Harrison (4 games KC,Oak,Cin,Balt.)
Average = 29.5-151.75-1
Mendenhall (5 Games KC, Oak, Cin, Balt x2)
Average = 19-70-.4
The Browns lost two of those (one was a blowout) and the other two were wins but fairly close. So let's take off the Homer glasses, put on our big boy pants, and back up statements with some tangible facts.
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OK, they haven't quite had the same talent, but the disparity in performance is due to far more than the disparity in talent.
As I have said many times, LeBeau epitomizes the old statement made by Bum Phillips about Don Shula: "He can take his'n and beat your'n, or he can take your'n and beat his'n". LeBeau could have probably taken the talent that the Browns have had over the years and gotten them to play better than the talent he has had with the Steelers over the years...even though that talent the Steelers have had is/was innately better than that of the Browns
.Honestly what is wrong with you? Lebeau could have taken the Talent the Browns have and had more success with that roster than the Steelers roster? It's not close Gipper. It's not even close. You're talking about arguably the best LB corp in the NFL for one. One of the top 5 defensive lines in the NFL. Aaron Smith is arguably the best 3-4 defensive end in the league and Hampton is a top 5 defensive tackle. Keisel is a underrated high motor guy that fits Lebeau's system. (Player one that fit's your argument)
You then have Troy Polamalu arguably the best safety in the game and Ike Taylor who would make the pro-bowl routinely if he could catch the damn ball. Please if you'd like take the time to break down the Browns roster and then the Steelers roster and show me an area where a Brown would even crack the starting line up. The only areas where a possibility even exists and even then it's remote is corner opposite Ike and our nickel backs. No sane individual would ever make this argument ridiculous homer or not. Your making something out of nothing argument does not work AT ALL in this instance. You sound like a idiot. I guess maybe you are one.
Homotron said:
Honestly what is wrong with you? Lebeau could have taken the Talent the Browns have and had more success with that roster than the Steelers roster? It's not close Gipper. It's not even close.Actually, I see that I misspoke there. What I meant to say is that LeBeau could have taken the talent the Browns have had and had more success with that talent than most other coaches could have with the talent the Steelers have on their roster...even though the Steelers have more innate talent.
You're talking about arguably the best LB corp in the NFL for one. One of the top 5 defensive lines in the NFL. Aaron Smith is arguably the best 3-4 defensive end in the league and Hampton is a top 5 defensive tackle. Keisel is a underrated high motor guy that fits Lebeau's system. (Player one that fit's your argument)
Actually, I think all those players fit my argument. Those guys are one of the best LBs corps or best DL lines precisely because LeBeau is their coordinator. Put Todd Grantham in charge of them and what do you have? Some pretty good players sure, but probably not ones that play up to Pro Bowl caliber.
You then have Troy Polamalu arguably the best safety in the game and Ike Taylor who would make the pro-bowl routinely if he could catch the damn ball. Please if you'd like take the time to break down the Browns roster and then the Steelers roster and show me an area where a Brown would even crack the starting line up.
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. LeBeau gets these guy to play as a whole, not as just a bunch of individuals.
I am saying if you took LeBeau and gave them the Browns defensive talent the last few years, he could have gotten that bunch to play at a higher level as a whole than the collection of Steeler talent would have probably performed under a different coach... The only areas where a possibility even exists and even then it's remote is corner opposite Ike and our nickel backs. No sane individual would ever make this argument ridiculous homer or not. Your making something out of nothing argument does not work AT ALL in this instance. You sound like a idiot. I guess maybe you are one.
No, like I said, I just misspoke, and recognized my error, and corrected it. Something you would probably never be feign to do.
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