How Oba-mao is more unAmerican Muslim than any of us think
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Some pictures that counter the muslim decorating claims from the first post:
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After viewing the snopes photos, I will ask.....
Why doesn't Obama have a flag on either side of him? all of the other presidents pictured do.
Is there even a US flag in the room?
But everyone knows that its not what we see from Obama because it is all staged for PR and the media. It is what he does
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How much is intentional, how much is accidental, what is contrived after the fact to stop his plummeting
approval ratings?
I suppose that snopes (headed by two liberal wonks) says this never happened, too:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/08/gaffe-...y-muslim-faith/
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Okay, you won't believe this. And not one of the liberals can defend this fiasco.
Obamao "...my Muslim faith"
We really are in for big, big trouble in the near future if Obamination is not blocked from
ruining our country.
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<H1 sizcache="18" sizset="122">Hamas nod for Ground Zero mosque</H1><H2 class=readout sizcache="18" sizset="123">Terror group's leader: 'Have to build it'</H2>By S.A. MILLER in Washington and TOM TOPOUSIS in New York
Last Updated: 8:15 AM, August 16, 2010
Posted: 1:49 AM, August 16, 2010
A leader of the Hamas terror group yesterday jumped into the emotional debate on the plan to construct a mosque near Ground Zero -- insisting Muslims "have to build" it there.
"We have to build everywhere," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization's chief on the Gaza Strip.
"In every area we have, [as] Muslim, we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer," he said on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC.
"We have to build the mosque, as you are allowed to build the church and Israelis are building their holy places."
Hamas, he added, "is representing the vast majority of the Arabic and Islamic world -- especially the Islamic side." Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who so far has not taken a position on the mosque, dismissed the endorsement.
"Hamas is a terrorist organization, and their views don't deserve any weight on anything," his spokesman said.
Zahar said Muslims around the world, including those who live in this country, are united in a common cause.
"First of all, we have to address that we are different as people, as a nation, totally different," he said.
"We already are living under the tradition of Islam.
"Islam is controlling every source of our life as regard to marriage, divorce, our commercial relationships," Zahar said.
"Even the Islamic people or the Muslims in your country, they are living now in the tradition of Islam. They are fasting; they are praying."
Politicians who previously had lots to say on the matter were not nearly as eager to discuss the latest development.
Despite his outspoken opposition to the building of a mosque so close to Ground Zero, Rep. Peter King (R-LI) said only, "I don't respond to Hamas."
Mayor Bloomberg, a strong supporter of the plan, declined comment through a spokesman.
Feisal Abdul Rauf, the imam behind the proposed mosque, and two other leaders of the plan who previously had commented extensively, were silent yesterday.
They did not respond to The Post's phone calls or e-mails about the Hamas endorsement.
Hamas first came up in the mosque debate earlier this summer when Abdul Rauf refused to describe the group as a terrorist organization -- despite the State Department listing that identifies it as such.
Tom Brown, a chief opponent of the mosque, said: "This is what we've been saying . . . Imam Rauf is a radical Muslim who will not call Hamas a terror group."
A retired firefighter who was a first responder on 9/11, Brown lost 100 of his FDNY friends at the Twin Towers.
"How much evidence do we need that this guy is a radical Muslim?" he asked.
"If Rauf really were a bridge builder and an interfaith guy and all the things he professes to be, he wouldn't be doing this to people."
Abdul Rauf raised eyebrows last week when he departed on a State Department-sponsored goodwill mission to the Middle East, despite concerns that the trip may be helping him with the mosque's $100 million fund-raising goal.
The Obama administration insisted the trip, reportedly with stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Qatar, was strictly to improve understanding about Muslim communities in the United States.
But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he said he would also collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world -- raising the possibility that the American government is helping him build contacts in oil-rich states.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhatt...I#ixzz0wmPmaF7B
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I haven't seen THIS before...
but how do we know that this translation is accurate, and not fraudulent?
Beats me, but I do wonder...
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Ground zero mosque isn't a mosque. Quit the ignorant fear mongering. Besides this point, did you know there was an actual mosque inside the pentagon and has been for years. "just the facts ma'am"
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/r...-at-ground-zero
Despite what you might have heard, a 13-story mosque is not going to be built at ground zero in lower Manhattan. For that matter, a 13-story mosque is not going to be built within a few blocks of ground zero. Rather a 13-story building is going up which will contain, among other things, a mosque.
This might seem like an academic distinction, but in the heated debate surrounding Park51, or as the building is known more commonly, the "ground zero mosque," it really is an important one.
First here are the facts: The building in question is planned to be a Muslim community center, a sort of YMCA (or, I suppose, YMMA). The plans are for it to have fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court), a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant and a cooking school, exhibition space, a library, art studios, a 9/11 memorial--the impudence! the outrage!--and childcare facilities (which no doubt will soon be referred to as a "Manhattan Madrasa"). And it's also going to house a mosque.
But calling the entire building a mosque is a bit like referring to the Empire State Building as a 103-story Walgreens because the pharmacy chain has a store on the ground floor.
And for that matter it's important to keep in mind that it's not at ground zero. It's two blocks north of ground zero, on a street running parallel to the old World Trade Center site. And as FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver has observed, Park51
although somewhat architecturally daring does not contain minarets or other spire-like features that would give it greater prominence than an ordinary, 12-story building. Like dozens and dozens of other buildings, and several other places of worship near to Ground Zero, it would be quite well concealed among Lower Manhattan's dense street grid.
In other words to look at the building, you wouldn't say: Aha! A mosque! But the press routinely refers to the building as a mosque, and its critics often blur or are unclear about its location. So over the weekend, Texas GOP Sen. John Cornyn, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said on Fox News Sunday that, "I do think it's unwise to build a mosque at the site where 3,000 Americans lost their lives as the result of a terrorist attack." (Emphasis added.)
Again, these may seem like small points, but they're not. This debate is taking place on a gut, emotional level. Reasonable critics argue, for example, that this is about sensitivity rather than about liberty. And on that gut level, there's a real difference between a 13-story mosque (which conjures images of a foreign looking structure with minarets and so forth) rising up out of--or even adjacent to--the hole in the ground that used to be the World Trade Center, and a 13-story community center tucked away on a side street a couple of blocks from ground zero. The former lends itself to the sort of irresponsible rhetoric of triumphalist Islamicists that Newt Gingrich goes on about. The latter is, well, reality.
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We pause this thread to respond with some REAL FACTS about the serious problems with the intended building
of the Ground Zero mosque, and the dangers were it to be built:
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http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-...ear-ground-zero
The Cordoba Initiative mosque near Ground Zero
June 4th, 2010 11:09 pm
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A deeper look into the Cordoba Initiative and its president, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf
On May 25, Manhattan’s Community Board One voted 29-1 in favor of the mosque, called the Cordoba Initiative, to be built 600-feet from the North Tower’s foot print at Ground Zero.
Prior to the board vote, a second mosque, the Masjid announced plans to build their mosque in the shadows of Ground Zero as well.
Support for such an insult is to be expected by certain segments of American society. Sadly, many freedom loving people with a suicidal grip on the Constitution are also in support of the mosques going up near Ground Zero.
The U.S. is currently engaged in a war effort against Islamic jihadists. True, we are not at war with Islam, but Islam (by decree) is at war with the West and all infidels (non-believers of Allah). There are many occurrences of jihad waged on American soil under the banner of Islam, but none as pivotal or devastating as the terror attacks that occurred on 9/11/2001.
Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan, NYC, is one of the sites where Islamic jihadists struck the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center (WTC) killing tens of thousands of innocents.
From the rubble of the WTC, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, president of the Cordoba Initiative, called for Islamic dawa and sharia law on American soil, usurping the American Constitution.
Some that pride themselves as Patriots believe it is their constitutional duty to protect that Imam’s “right” to build his Initiative in the shadows of Ground Zero.
The framers did not intend the Constitution to be a suicide pact, nor did the framers desire that the Constitution be used by our enemies or supporters of the same to tear us asunder, or as a tool to promote useful idiots.
Supporters of dawa, jihad and sharia law and the furtherance of the same wrap themselves in a cloak of religious freedom and we say, “Welcome to America.” How easy are we?
What is Dawa?
Simply defined, dawa is a call to Islam. It is the manner in which dawa is utilized that poses the danger to the West.
Robert Spencer, expert on Islamic studies and director of Jihad Watch, explains:
“Dawa is Islamic proselytizing and in Islamic law dawa precedes jihad. You call the nonbelievers to Islam. And if they refuse to accept it, then you initiate a jihad against them. But the whole goal of both dawa and jihad is to impose Islamic law or sharia upon the nonbelievers as a political system, not as a religious one.”
Abu ‘Ubeid Al-Qurashi, Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda lieutenant, Admits to September 11 and Explains Al-Qa'ida's Combat Doctrine; in that doctrine those responsible for creating the rubble at Ground Zero called dawa “integral to triumph in fourth-generation warfare.”
The Islamic Dawa Party, the current ruling Party in Iraq, is rooted in a radical past and along with The Islamic Jihad Organization is linked to the 1983 suicide terrorist bombing of the US embassy in Kuwait.
As mentioned earlier, the president of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf calls for sharia law in America and from the WTC Rubble, Islamic Dawa; this is the imam’s own words and in the title and content of his books.
The Cordoba Initiative purchased the property near Ground Zero for 4.85 million-dollars and paid cash (no paper trail).
The Cordoba Initiative: What’s in a Name
The Cordoba Initiative is an organization whose very name makes reference to what was, 1,000 years ago, one of the world’s most advanced cities, Cordoba, Al-Andalus (Spain). This was a city that was politically and religiously dominated by Islam, and a city that was conquered by jihad (holy war).
“History is usually interesting, but always relevant.”- AmericanAngle
Cordoba, Spain was rich with grand mosques and for centuries Spain endured Muslim tyranny, only to be replaced by even more radical Islamic regimes. That was until the Reconquista finally wiped out memories of those dark centuries when Spain had its identity subsumed by being a colony of the Muslims. Not only was Spain reborn, so was a New World.
Imam Faisal’s Cordoba initiative may restore some of Islam’s lost glory. No wonder he calls for dawa from the heart of America; Ground Zero, the site of the rebirth of Islam’s holy war in the West.
Additional Background
The Cordoba Initiative was founded in 2003 by Rauf and is funded by the Malaysian government. Sharia law operates in some Malaysian states and has been applied to non-Muslims in that country. Malays are defined as Muslim by law and forbidden from converting.
Hard-line Islamic law could be introduced across all of Malaysia under reforms proposed by the country's chief justice.
In 2006, Imam Rauf started the Shariah Index Project, which will be carried out by the Cordoba Initiative. In addition to its New York office, the Cordoba initiative has offices in Malaysia.
Faisal Rauf’s father Dr. Muhammad Abdul Rauf (1917-2004) was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood believes in a radical application of jihad. Their ideology was adopted by terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda and Hamas. The Muslim Brotherhood also promotes violence against the U.S. and Israel.
The Nazi regime needed useful idiots as did Lenin who coined the phrase, “useful idiots of the West.”
Has the West given birth to a new generation of useful idiots for an Islamic ideology and regime?
The Cordoba Initiative is raising an additional 100 million dollars for construction. Once completed the mosque will be housed on the top floor of the 13 or 15 story building and will enjoy an expansive view of Ground Zero.
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For further reading, go to this site and read up on the sharia index project. It will be housed
secretly ? in that same building.
IOW's, we're talking about a jihadist Trojan Horse.
Isn't it nice to know the truth about things?
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/203619.php
We now return you to the silly yet dangerous "head in the sand" programming for your entertainment.
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Oh, and two blocks north of Ground Zero, IS Ground Zero - don't be a knucklehead.
The plenty of the towers' rubble ended up far beyond those two blocks.
Who is the one being ignorant?
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Oh, and two blocks north of Ground Zero, IS Ground Zero - don't be a knucklehead.
The plenty of the towers' rubble ended up far beyond those two blocks.
Who is the one being ignorant?
Oh, and two blocks north of Ground Zero, IS Ground Zero - don't be a knucklehead.
The plenty of the towers' rubble ended up far beyond those two blocks.
Who is the one being ignorant?
that all depends. Have you ever been to Nyc? do you still believe it to be a mosque? and whats your stance on the mosque in the pentagon?
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We pause this thread to respond with some REAL FACTS about the serious problems with the intended building
of the Ground Zero mosque, and the dangers were it to be built:
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http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-...ear-ground-zero
The Cordoba Initiative mosque near Ground Zero
June 4th, 2010 11:09 pm
.
A deeper look into the Cordoba Initiative and its president, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf
On May 25, Manhattan’s Community Board One voted 29-1 in favor of the mosque, called the Cordoba Initiative, to be built 600-feet from the North Tower’s foot print at Ground Zero.
Prior to the board vote, a second mosque, the Masjid announced plans to build their mosque in the shadows of Ground Zero as well.
Support for such an insult is to be expected by certain segments of American society. Sadly, many freedom loving people with a suicidal grip on the Constitution are also in support of the mosques going up near Ground Zero.
The U.S. is currently engaged in a war effort against Islamic jihadists. True, we are not at war with Islam, but Islam (by decree) is at war with the West and all infidels (non-believers of Allah). There are many occurrences of jihad waged on American soil under the banner of Islam, but none as pivotal or devastating as the terror attacks that occurred on 9/11/2001.
Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan, NYC, is one of the sites where Islamic jihadists struck the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center (WTC) killing tens of thousands of innocents.
From the rubble of the WTC, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, president of the Cordoba Initiative, called for Islamic dawa and sharia law on American soil, usurping the American Constitution.
Some that pride themselves as Patriots believe it is their constitutional duty to protect that Imam’s “right” to build his Initiative in the shadows of Ground Zero.
The framers did not intend the Constitution to be a suicide pact, nor did the framers desire that the Constitution be used by our enemies or supporters of the same to tear us asunder, or as a tool to promote useful idiots.
Supporters of dawa, jihad and sharia law and the furtherance of the same wrap themselves in a cloak of religious freedom and we say, “Welcome to America.” How easy are we?
What is Dawa?
Simply defined, dawa is a call to Islam. It is the manner in which dawa is utilized that poses the danger to the West.
Robert Spencer, expert on Islamic studies and director of Jihad Watch, explains:
“Dawa is Islamic proselytizing and in Islamic law dawa precedes jihad. You call the nonbelievers to Islam. And if they refuse to accept it, then you initiate a jihad against them. But the whole goal of both dawa and jihad is to impose Islamic law or sharia upon the nonbelievers as a political system, not as a religious one.”
Abu ‘Ubeid Al-Qurashi, Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda lieutenant, Admits to September 11 and Explains Al-Qa'ida's Combat Doctrine; in that doctrine those responsible for creating the rubble at Ground Zero called dawa “integral to triumph in fourth-generation warfare.”
The Islamic Dawa Party, the current ruling Party in Iraq, is rooted in a radical past and along with The Islamic Jihad Organization is linked to the 1983 suicide terrorist bombing of the US embassy in Kuwait.
As mentioned earlier, the president of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf calls for sharia law in America and from the WTC Rubble, Islamic Dawa; this is the imam’s own words and in the title and content of his books.
The Cordoba Initiative purchased the property near Ground Zero for 4.85 million-dollars and paid cash (no paper trail).
The Cordoba Initiative: What’s in a Name
The Cordoba Initiative is an organization whose very name makes reference to what was, 1,000 years ago, one of the world’s most advanced cities, Cordoba, Al-Andalus (Spain). This was a city that was politically and religiously dominated by Islam, and a city that was conquered by jihad (holy war).
“History is usually interesting, but always relevant.”- AmericanAngle
Cordoba, Spain was rich with grand mosques and for centuries Spain endured Muslim tyranny, only to be replaced by even more radical Islamic regimes. That was until the Reconquista finally wiped out memories of those dark centuries when Spain had its identity subsumed by being a colony of the Muslims. Not only was Spain reborn, so was a New World.
Imam Faisal’s Cordoba initiative may restore some of Islam’s lost glory. No wonder he calls for dawa from the heart of America; Ground Zero, the site of the rebirth of Islam’s holy war in the West.
Additional Background
The Cordoba Initiative was founded in 2003 by Rauf and is funded by the Malaysian government. Sharia law operates in some Malaysian states and has been applied to non-Muslims in that country. Malays are defined as Muslim by law and forbidden from converting.
Hard-line Islamic law could be introduced across all of Malaysia under reforms proposed by the country's chief justice.
In 2006, Imam Rauf started the Shariah Index Project, which will be carried out by the Cordoba Initiative. In addition to its New York office, the Cordoba initiative has offices in Malaysia.
Faisal Rauf’s father Dr. Muhammad Abdul Rauf (1917-2004) was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood believes in a radical application of jihad. Their ideology was adopted by terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda and Hamas. The Muslim Brotherhood also promotes violence against the U.S. and Israel.
The Nazi regime needed useful idiots as did Lenin who coined the phrase, “useful idiots of the West.”
Has the West given birth to a new generation of useful idiots for an Islamic ideology and regime?
The Cordoba Initiative is raising an additional 100 million dollars for construction. Once completed the mosque will be housed on the top floor of the 13 or 15 story building and will enjoy an expansive view of Ground Zero.
We pause this thread to respond with some REAL FACTS about the serious problems with the intended building
of the Ground Zero mosque, and the dangers were it to be built:
**************************************************
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-...ear-ground-zero
The Cordoba Initiative mosque near Ground Zero
June 4th, 2010 11:09 pm
.
A deeper look into the Cordoba Initiative and its president, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf
On May 25, Manhattan’s Community Board One voted 29-1 in favor of the mosque, called the Cordoba Initiative, to be built 600-feet from the North Tower’s foot print at Ground Zero.
Prior to the board vote, a second mosque, the Masjid announced plans to build their mosque in the shadows of Ground Zero as well.
Support for such an insult is to be expected by certain segments of American society. Sadly, many freedom loving people with a suicidal grip on the Constitution are also in support of the mosques going up near Ground Zero.
The U.S. is currently engaged in a war effort against Islamic jihadists. True, we are not at war with Islam, but Islam (by decree) is at war with the West and all infidels (non-believers of Allah). There are many occurrences of jihad waged on American soil under the banner of Islam, but none as pivotal or devastating as the terror attacks that occurred on 9/11/2001.
Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan, NYC, is one of the sites where Islamic jihadists struck the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center (WTC) killing tens of thousands of innocents.
From the rubble of the WTC, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, president of the Cordoba Initiative, called for Islamic dawa and sharia law on American soil, usurping the American Constitution.
Some that pride themselves as Patriots believe it is their constitutional duty to protect that Imam’s “right” to build his Initiative in the shadows of Ground Zero.
The framers did not intend the Constitution to be a suicide pact, nor did the framers desire that the Constitution be used by our enemies or supporters of the same to tear us asunder, or as a tool to promote useful idiots.
Supporters of dawa, jihad and sharia law and the furtherance of the same wrap themselves in a cloak of religious freedom and we say, “Welcome to America.” How easy are we?
What is Dawa?
Simply defined, dawa is a call to Islam. It is the manner in which dawa is utilized that poses the danger to the West.
Robert Spencer, expert on Islamic studies and director of Jihad Watch, explains:
“Dawa is Islamic proselytizing and in Islamic law dawa precedes jihad. You call the nonbelievers to Islam. And if they refuse to accept it, then you initiate a jihad against them. But the whole goal of both dawa and jihad is to impose Islamic law or sharia upon the nonbelievers as a political system, not as a religious one.”
Abu ‘Ubeid Al-Qurashi, Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda lieutenant, Admits to September 11 and Explains Al-Qa'ida's Combat Doctrine; in that doctrine those responsible for creating the rubble at Ground Zero called dawa “integral to triumph in fourth-generation warfare.”
The Islamic Dawa Party, the current ruling Party in Iraq, is rooted in a radical past and along with The Islamic Jihad Organization is linked to the 1983 suicide terrorist bombing of the US embassy in Kuwait.
As mentioned earlier, the president of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf calls for sharia law in America and from the WTC Rubble, Islamic Dawa; this is the imam’s own words and in the title and content of his books.
The Cordoba Initiative purchased the property near Ground Zero for 4.85 million-dollars and paid cash (no paper trail).
The Cordoba Initiative: What’s in a Name
The Cordoba Initiative is an organization whose very name makes reference to what was, 1,000 years ago, one of the world’s most advanced cities, Cordoba, Al-Andalus (Spain). This was a city that was politically and religiously dominated by Islam, and a city that was conquered by jihad (holy war).
“History is usually interesting, but always relevant.”- AmericanAngle
Cordoba, Spain was rich with grand mosques and for centuries Spain endured Muslim tyranny, only to be replaced by even more radical Islamic regimes. That was until the Reconquista finally wiped out memories of those dark centuries when Spain had its identity subsumed by being a colony of the Muslims. Not only was Spain reborn, so was a New World.
Imam Faisal’s Cordoba initiative may restore some of Islam’s lost glory. No wonder he calls for dawa from the heart of America; Ground Zero, the site of the rebirth of Islam’s holy war in the West.
Additional Background
The Cordoba Initiative was founded in 2003 by Rauf and is funded by the Malaysian government. Sharia law operates in some Malaysian states and has been applied to non-Muslims in that country. Malays are defined as Muslim by law and forbidden from converting.
Hard-line Islamic law could be introduced across all of Malaysia under reforms proposed by the country's chief justice.
In 2006, Imam Rauf started the Shariah Index Project, which will be carried out by the Cordoba Initiative. In addition to its New York office, the Cordoba initiative has offices in Malaysia.
Faisal Rauf’s father Dr. Muhammad Abdul Rauf (1917-2004) was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood believes in a radical application of jihad. Their ideology was adopted by terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda and Hamas. The Muslim Brotherhood also promotes violence against the U.S. and Israel.
The Nazi regime needed useful idiots as did Lenin who coined the phrase, “useful idiots of the West.”
Has the West given birth to a new generation of useful idiots for an Islamic ideology and regime?
The Cordoba Initiative is raising an additional 100 million dollars for construction. Once completed the mosque will be housed on the top floor of the 13 or 15 story building and will enjoy an expansive view of Ground Zero.
I stopped after the author said that the. 9/11 attacks killed 'tens of thousands of innocents.' It was about 3000, which is still every bit as terrible. However, that level of ignorance and disregard for facts makes one question everything else you've stated.
THESE ARE FACTS?!
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Yes, I figure that was a typo....
but it doesn't negate the entire line of reasoning.
You'd discount it regardless, yes?
I am fine with the mosque at the pentagon, if there is one.
but a Ground Zero mosque, built by this "imam" ??? With money
that could be from overseas supporters of terrorism?
With the sharia law index project?
What is your opinion on that? don't just go by this author, then, fine.
Research it on the net, and you will get your facts.
Then you should start realizing that this "center" is a trojan horse.
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but a Ground Zero mosque, built by this "imam" ??? With money
that could be from overseas supporters of terrorism?
That's not a good enough reason to stop it from being built.
With the sharia law index project?
What is your opinion on that? don't just go by this author, then, fine.
Research it on the net, and you will get your facts.
Then you should start realizing that this "center" is a trojan horse.
I just googled shariah law index and couldn't find anything that looked remotely reliable. A couple of statements suggesting that they're making Islamic enclaves that will follow Shariah law. I mean, could it happen? Maybe. Would I like it if it did happen, no, Shariah law scares the piss out of me. Muslims that want the whole world to be Muslim scare the shit out of me. Religion scares the shit out of me. However, if they're not breaking any laws (which they likely wouldn't be because you know that these communities will be under a huge microscope once in place, the media, CIA, FBI, etc. will be all over them), then we have no place to stop this from happening.
This is what happened earlier in America, all sorts of Christians grouped together to practice their religion. The first amendment allows freedom to practice any religion. And if you legally own a building, then I will fight for your right to practice whatever f'cking religion you want to in that building. You can't just throw away the Constitution when it covers a group that you're scared of. Obviously, you keep an eye on them and send spies in to make sure that they're not conspiring to attack us, though it's doubtful they'd be dumb enough to conspire there, when an entire country is suspiciously watching this specific mosque.
When you start saying, oh, this COULD happen, or this MIGHT happen, or that it can only lead to terrorism, then it's a horribly weak argument, and it should be trumped by amendment #1 every single time. This type of argument has as much substance to it as arguments for gun control.
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I liken it to freedom comes with responsibilities.
We have the freedom of speech, but it is irresponsible to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
ditto, but burning a cross KKK style to offend blacks in the community is hate speech.
And building the multifunctional ISLAMIC mosque, with the NAME of "CORDOBA",
is in affect, hate speech, intimidation and frightening a whole lot of folks there for good reason.
That lends itself to being wrong. It is the LOCATION and the CORDOBA that is a hate speech slap
in the face to Americans all over the country, and intentionally so.
It must not be built THERE. There are plenty of mosques in NYC. Over a hundred, I believe I read.
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Your analogy is less than perfect. You're allowed to burn a cross if you want to. You're not allowed to burn a cross on someone else's property.
This is their property. How can you honestly say they shouldn't be allowed to build it? Is it an asshole move on their part? In my opinion, yes. But we CANNOT override the Constitution simply because we're offended.
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Your analogy is less than perfect. You're allowed to burn a cross if you want to. You're not allowed to burn a cross on someone else's property.
This is their property. How can you honestly say they shouldn't be allowed to build it? Is it an asshole move on their part? In my opinion, yes. But we CANNOT override the Constitution simply because we're offended.
Your analogy is less than perfect. You're allowed to burn a cross if you want to. You're not allowed to burn a cross on someone else's property.
This is their property. How can you honestly say they shouldn't be allowed to build it? Is it an asshole move on their part? In my opinion, yes. But we CANNOT override the Constitution simply because we're offended.
Oh come on.
You think if someone wanted to erect an "eternal flame" in the shape of a giant cross at the site of the Martin Luther King assassination you guys would be as supporting?
WSS
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And there ain't a chance in hell Obammy'd be making speeches extolling the virtues of the Aryan brotherhood.
WSS
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Oh come on.
You think if someone wanted to erect an "eternal flame" in the shape of a giant cross at the site of the Martin Luther King assassination you guys would be as supporting?
If they owned a building near the site and put it inside of the building where no one had to see it (you know, like this mosque is going to be) I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'd be horribly offended if they wanted to do an open-air one where everyone that wanted to see an MLK memorial also had to see, but again, I wouldn't overturn the Constitution simply because I'm offended.
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Building a KKK headquarters in downtown Harlem? Next to any NAACP headquarters in the country?
Can't you see that the location is what makes it hate speech in intention and action, rather than an oddity ?
In this case, the mosque wouldn't even be of, necessarily, a disreputable group... IF the imam was
an upright, outspoken critic of terrorism.
But THIS imam loves him some Hamas.
And the Cordoba name? forget it. It's hate speech in location, and his intention seems to be just that...
unless inspiring controversy so he and others around the world can claim "see? all muslims must now fight all infidels"
It's the locations, the imam's history and statements and radicalism, the funding, the number of floors that
included 3 floors for the sharia law index project.....
I see it as intimidating hate speech. No one is criticizing the other ONE HUNDRED or so mosques already built
and worshipped in in NYC.
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I guess my question is who are they going to find to build the place??
Are stone layers and brick masons going to take the job?? Steel workers??? Plumbers??? Construction engineers???
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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