How Oba-mao is more unAmerican Muslim than any of us think
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but a Ground Zero mosque, built by this "imam" ??? With money
that could be from overseas supporters of terrorism?
That's not a good enough reason to stop it from being built.
With the sharia law index project?
What is your opinion on that? don't just go by this author, then, fine.
Research it on the net, and you will get your facts.
Then you should start realizing that this "center" is a trojan horse.
I just googled shariah law index and couldn't find anything that looked remotely reliable. A couple of statements suggesting that they're making Islamic enclaves that will follow Shariah law. I mean, could it happen? Maybe. Would I like it if it did happen, no, Shariah law scares the piss out of me. Muslims that want the whole world to be Muslim scare the shit out of me. Religion scares the shit out of me. However, if they're not breaking any laws (which they likely wouldn't be because you know that these communities will be under a huge microscope once in place, the media, CIA, FBI, etc. will be all over them), then we have no place to stop this from happening.
This is what happened earlier in America, all sorts of Christians grouped together to practice their religion. The first amendment allows freedom to practice any religion. And if you legally own a building, then I will fight for your right to practice whatever f'cking religion you want to in that building. You can't just throw away the Constitution when it covers a group that you're scared of. Obviously, you keep an eye on them and send spies in to make sure that they're not conspiring to attack us, though it's doubtful they'd be dumb enough to conspire there, when an entire country is suspiciously watching this specific mosque.
When you start saying, oh, this COULD happen, or this MIGHT happen, or that it can only lead to terrorism, then it's a horribly weak argument, and it should be trumped by amendment #1 every single time. This type of argument has as much substance to it as arguments for gun control.
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I liken it to freedom comes with responsibilities.
We have the freedom of speech, but it is irresponsible to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
ditto, but burning a cross KKK style to offend blacks in the community is hate speech.
And building the multifunctional ISLAMIC mosque, with the NAME of "CORDOBA",
is in affect, hate speech, intimidation and frightening a whole lot of folks there for good reason.
That lends itself to being wrong. It is the LOCATION and the CORDOBA that is a hate speech slap
in the face to Americans all over the country, and intentionally so.
It must not be built THERE. There are plenty of mosques in NYC. Over a hundred, I believe I read.
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Your analogy is less than perfect. You're allowed to burn a cross if you want to. You're not allowed to burn a cross on someone else's property.
This is their property. How can you honestly say they shouldn't be allowed to build it? Is it an asshole move on their part? In my opinion, yes. But we CANNOT override the Constitution simply because we're offended.
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Your analogy is less than perfect. You're allowed to burn a cross if you want to. You're not allowed to burn a cross on someone else's property.
This is their property. How can you honestly say they shouldn't be allowed to build it? Is it an asshole move on their part? In my opinion, yes. But we CANNOT override the Constitution simply because we're offended.
Your analogy is less than perfect. You're allowed to burn a cross if you want to. You're not allowed to burn a cross on someone else's property.
This is their property. How can you honestly say they shouldn't be allowed to build it? Is it an asshole move on their part? In my opinion, yes. But we CANNOT override the Constitution simply because we're offended.
Oh come on.
You think if someone wanted to erect an "eternal flame" in the shape of a giant cross at the site of the Martin Luther King assassination you guys would be as supporting?
WSS
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And there ain't a chance in hell Obammy'd be making speeches extolling the virtues of the Aryan brotherhood.
WSS
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Oh come on.
You think if someone wanted to erect an "eternal flame" in the shape of a giant cross at the site of the Martin Luther King assassination you guys would be as supporting?
If they owned a building near the site and put it inside of the building where no one had to see it (you know, like this mosque is going to be) I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'd be horribly offended if they wanted to do an open-air one where everyone that wanted to see an MLK memorial also had to see, but again, I wouldn't overturn the Constitution simply because I'm offended.
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Building a KKK headquarters in downtown Harlem? Next to any NAACP headquarters in the country?
Can't you see that the location is what makes it hate speech in intention and action, rather than an oddity ?
In this case, the mosque wouldn't even be of, necessarily, a disreputable group... IF the imam was
an upright, outspoken critic of terrorism.
But THIS imam loves him some Hamas.
And the Cordoba name? forget it. It's hate speech in location, and his intention seems to be just that...
unless inspiring controversy so he and others around the world can claim "see? all muslims must now fight all infidels"
It's the locations, the imam's history and statements and radicalism, the funding, the number of floors that
included 3 floors for the sharia law index project.....
I see it as intimidating hate speech. No one is criticizing the other ONE HUNDRED or so mosques already built
and worshipped in in NYC.
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I guess my question is who are they going to find to build the place??
Are stone layers and brick masons going to take the job?? Steel workers??? Plumbers??? Construction engineers???
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Oh come on. Do you really think the american intelligence agencies would allow a "Trojan horse?" Sure some of you might use 9-11 as a reference to what will happen when intelligence breaks down but I can guarantee you that wont happen again at least until we get stupid and forget. Which isnt any time soon 9-11 even 9 years laters is still fresh in the minds of americans as it should be. To take articles from opinion blogs and try to throw them up as proof is just a little asinine.
Oh, and baloney is spelt balogna
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I guess my question is who are they going to find to build the place??
Are stone layers and brick masons going to take the job?? Steel workers??? Plumbers??? Construction engineers???
I guess my question is who are they going to find to build the place??
Are stone layers and brick masons going to take the job?? Steel workers??? Plumbers??? Construction engineers???
/s Havent you heard the masons are in with the illuminati. Which is very anti-American so theyll more then happily do it. /s
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Building a KKK headquarters in downtown Harlem? Next to any NAACP headquarters in the country?
Can't you see that the location is what makes it hate speech in intention and action, rather than an oddity ?
In this case, the mosque wouldn't even be of, necessarily, a disreputable group... IF the imam was
an upright, outspoken critic of terrorism.
But THIS imam loves him some Hamas.
And the Cordoba name? forget it. It's hate speech in location, and his intention seems to be just that...
unless inspiring controversy so he and others around the world can claim "see? all muslims must now fight all infidels"
It's the locations, the imam's history and statements and radicalism, the funding, the number of floors that
included 3 floors for the sharia law index project.....
I see it as intimidating hate speech. No one is criticizing the other ONE HUNDRED or so mosques already built
and worshipped in in NYC.
Building a KKK headquarters in downtown Harlem? Next to any NAACP headquarters in the country?
Can't you see that the location is what makes it hate speech in intention and action, rather than an oddity ?
In this case, the mosque wouldn't even be of, necessarily, a disreputable group... IF the imam was
an upright, outspoken critic of terrorism.
But THIS imam loves him some Hamas.
And the Cordoba name? forget it. It's hate speech in location, and his intention seems to be just that...
unless inspiring controversy so he and others around the world can claim "see? all muslims must now fight all infidels"
It's the locations, the imam's history and statements and radicalism, the funding, the number of floors that
included 3 floors for the sharia law index project.....
I see it as intimidating hate speech. No one is criticizing the other ONE HUNDRED or so mosques already built
and worshipped in in NYC.
It isnt a mosque.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...und-zero-mosque
Things seem awfully heated in America right now; so heated you could probably toast a marshmallow by jabbing it on a stick and holding it toward the Atlantic. Millions are hopping mad over the news that a bunch of triumphalist Muslim extremists are about to build a "victory mosque" slap bang in the middle of Ground Zero.
The planned "ultra-mosque" will be a staggering 5,600ft tall – more than five times higher than the tallest building on Earth – and will be capped with an immense dome of highly-polished solid gold, carefully positioned to bounce sunlight directly toward the pavement, where it will blind pedestrians and fry small dogs. The main structure will be delimited by 600 minarets, each shaped like an upraised middle finger, and housing a powerful amplifier: when synchronised, their combined sonic might will be capable of relaying the muezzin's call to prayer at such deafening volume, it will be clearly audible in the Afghan mountains, where thousands of terrorists are poised to celebrate by running around with scarves over their faces, firing AK-47s into the sky and yelling whatever the foreign word for "victory" is.
I'm exaggerating. But I'm only exaggerating a tad more than some of the professional exaggerators who initially raised objections to the "Ground Zero mosque". They keep calling it the "Ground Zero mosque", incidentally, because it's a catchy title that paints a powerful image – specifically, the image of a mosque at Ground Zero.
When I heard about it – in passing, in a soundbite – I figured it was a US example of the sort of inanely confrontational fantasy scheme Anjem Choudary might issue a press release about if he fancied winding up the tabloids for the 900th time this year. I was wrong. The "Ground Zero mosque" is a genuine proposal, but it's slightly less provocative than its critics' nickname makes it sound. For one thing, it's not at Ground Zero. Also, it isn't a mosque.
Wait, it gets duller. It's not being built by extremists either. Cordoba House, as it's known, is a proposed Islamic cultural centre, which, in addition to a prayer room, will include a basketball court, restaurant, and swimming pool. Its aim is to improve inter-faith relations. It'll probably also have comfy chairs and people who smile at you when you walk in, the monsters.
To get to the Cordoba Centre from Ground Zero, you'd have to walk in the opposite direction for two blocks, before turning a corner and walking a bit more. The journey should take roughly two minutes, or possibly slightly longer if you're heading an angry mob who can't hear your directions over the sound of their own enraged bellowing.
Perhaps spatial reality functions differently on the other side of the Atlantic, but here in London, something that is "two minutes' walk and round a corner" from something else isn't actually "in" the same place at all. I once had a poo in a pub about two minutes' walk from Buckingham Palace. I was not subsequently arrested and charged with crapping directly onto the Queen's pillow. That's how "distance" works in Britain. It's also how distance works in America, of course, but some people are currently pretending it doesn't, for daft political ends.
New York being a densely populated city, there are lots of other buildings and businesses within two blocks of Ground Zero, including a McDonald's and a Burger King, neither of which has yet been accused of serving milkshakes and fries on hallowed ground. Regardless, for the opponents of Cordoba House, two blocks is too close, period. Frustratingly, they haven't produced a map pinpointing precisely how close is OK.
That's literally all I'd ask them in an interview. I'd stand there pointing at a map of the city. Would it be offensive here? What about here? Or how about way over there? And when they finally picked a suitable spot, I'd ask them to draw it on the map, sketching out roughly how big it should be, and how many windows it's allowed to have. Then I'd hand them a colour swatch and ask them to decide on a colour for the lobby carpet. And the conversation would continue in this vein until everyone in the room was in tears. Myself included.
That hasn't happened. Instead, 70% of Americans are opposed to the "Ground Zero mosque", doubtless in many cases because they've been led to believe it literally is a mosque at Ground Zero. And if not . . . well, it must be something significant. Otherwise why would all these pundits be so angry about it? And why would anyone in the media listen to them with a straight face?
According to a recent poll, one in five Americans believes Barack Obama is a Muslim, even though he isn't. A quarter of those who believe he's a Muslim also claimed he talks about his faith too much. Americans aren't dumb. Clearly these particular Americans have either gone insane or been seriously misled. Where are they getting their information?
Sixty per cent said they learned it from the media. Which means it's time for the media to give up.
Seriously, broadcasters, journalists: just give up now. Because either you're making things worse, or no one's paying attention anyway. May as well knock back a few Jagermeisters, unplug the autocue, and just sit there dumbly repeating whichever reality-warping meme the far right wants to go viral this week. What's that? Obama is Gargamel and he's killing all the Smurfs? Sod it. Whatever. Roll titles.
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I guess my question is who are they going to find to build the place??
Are stone layers and brick masons going to take the job?? Steel workers??? Plumbers??? Construction engineers???
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OH, freakin baloney.
OF COURSE it is a MOSQUE !
you libs really don't get it? really? you really think it isn't "really a mosque" ????
I mean, SERIOUSLY?
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<H1 id=firstHeading class=firstHeading>Mosque</H1>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJA mosque is a place of worship for followers of Islam. Muslims often refer to the mosque by its Arabic name masjid[1] (Arabic: مسجد — Arabic pronunciation: [ˈmæsdʒɪd] (pl. masājid, Arabic: مساجد — [mæˈsæːdʒɪd]), which literally means a place of prostration. The word "mosque" in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated for Islamic worship although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, masjids dedicated for daily five prayers and the larger masajid where the daily five prayers and the Friday congregation sermons are held (مسجد جامع, masjid jāmi‘), which is attended by more people and play more roles such as teaching Qur'an.
The mosque serves as a place where Muslims can come together for salat (prayer) (Arabic: صلاة, ṣalāt) as well as a center for information, education, and dispute settlement. The Imam leads the prayer.
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"It isn't a mosque" ????????????????????
I guess libs think nothing is what it is.
Yep. I don't get it, either.
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Actually Cal, Harlem isn't any kind of sacred landmark, however....
Imagind if the Klan did put a HQ there.
Imagine the vandalism and attacks from the community that would surely occur.
Now imagine the media describing those actions as racist hate crimes.
You know that's how any anti mosque actions will be reported.
Actually I guess they have the legal "right" to place the building there, though it's pretty apparent it's for insult purposes.
And I don't think for a minute that a similar action by a "non protected" religion would be given the same kowtowing respect.
WSS
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Good point, Steve. That's why the mosque may be legally barred from being built.
Zoning. For instance, we had to get our dream ranch plans approved before we could build.
The design of the house had to not take away from the neighborhood.
Per Mark Simone, WABC, filling in for Hannity...
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Mark tackled angry liberal callers who were calling the show to defend the construction of the mosque at Ground Zero. Dan from Washington D.C. asked, “What is the legal precedent that doesn’t allow the construction of a mosque.” “This is zoning law, it’s done in every city across America, do you know why there’s no Wal-Mart in Manhattan,” asked Simone, “The city planning board didn’t allow them to.” It’s true there are many who want to politicize this but the truth is, as the families of the 9-11 victims can attest, this is about common sense and a reiteration of why we have zoning laws in the first place. Zoning laws exist to reflect the sentiments of the community and it’s clear the community doesn’t want this mosque on the Ground Zero site.
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