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  • Gips GipsG
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    GipsG Gips wrote on last edited by Gips
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    Im still hoping we can pull a rabbit out of the hat instead of throwing the whole hat at the opposition this year as far as a pass rush is concerned..a second late and a sack short sucks especially CB blitzes particularly when it leaves abram " delayed reaction" elam or mike "i think im lost" adams or brandon 'where am i" mcdonald in man coverage with even a slug with bad hands, it quickly becomes a potentially dangerous situation with a minimal of an almost assured catch...

    We have a serious nickel and secondary quality depth problem in general along with a problem disguising coverages/blitzes as the rams revealed.. lets hope its just preseason vanilla because if its not we could opportunistically get burned at just the right time all year...

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      Im still hoping we can pull a rabbit out of the hat instead of throwing the whole hat at the opposition this year as far as a pass rush is concerned..a second late and a sack short sucks especially CB blitzes particularly when it leaves abram " delayed reaction" elam or mike "i think im lost" adams or brandon 'where am i" mcdonald in man coverage with even a slug with bad hands, it quickly becomes a potentially dangerous situation with a minimal of an almost assured catch...

      We have a serious nickel and secondary quality depth problem in general along with a problem disguising coverages/blitzes as the rams revealed.. lets hope its just preseason vanilla because if its not we could opportunistically get burned at just the right time all year...

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      @gips said:

      Im still hoping we can pull a rabbit out of the hat instead of throwing the whole hat at the opposition this year as far as a pass rush is concerned..a second late and a sack short sucks especially CB blitzes particularly when it leaves abram " delayed reaction" elam or mike "i think im lost" adams or brandon 'where am i" mcdonald in man coverage with even a slug with bad hands, it quickly becomes a potentially dangerous situation with a minimal of an almost assured catch...

      We have a serious nickel and secondary quality depth problem in general along with a problem disguising coverages/blitzes as the rams revealed.. lets hope its just preseason vanilla because if its not we could opportunistically get burned at just the right time all year...

      From what Ive seen our secondary imo is as deep as its been in years. Wright, Brown, Haden, McDonald, Adams, Ward, Ventrone, Abrams have all looked good to me so far. I think when the entire Dline is starting that our LBs will provide a better pass rush than we see now. Still a weak point for us though along with WR. I dont understand why we didnt look harder at some free agent or draftable WR's. Carlton Mitchel has shown me nothing yet. I thought BR should have layed out for that TD pass the other night too. So far Stucky has looked better than anyone and thats a problem.

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      • TheClevelandSound TheClevelandSoundT
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        TheClevelandSoundT TheClevelandSound wrote on last edited by
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        Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

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        • BrownsBacker85 BrownsBacker85B
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          BrownsBacker85B BrownsBacker85 wrote on last edited by
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          Yes we will need to find playmakers next year but our pass rush will be fine this year. Improved secondary play will help in that department. Don't forget we had 40 sacks last year and are only improved in all defensive positions.

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            Yes we will need to find playmakers next year but our pass rush will be fine this year. Improved secondary play will help in that department. Don't forget we had 40 sacks last year and are only improved in all defensive positions.

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            slowburnS slowburn wrote on last edited by slowburn
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            @brownsbacker85 said:

            Yes we will need to find playmakers next year but our pass rush will be fine this year. Improved secondary play will help in that department. Don't forget we had 40 sacks last year and are only improved in all defensive positions.

            While 40 sacks is nothin to sneeze at, the Browns still finished near the bottom of total team defense last year in terms of passing and rushing yards relinquished. i think age is an important consideration when

            evaluating our line. A great majority of our d line is at or above 30 years old....In no way are they washed up but you got to consider a push on gettting some young talent up and running. As is, i don't think

            we have a legit playmaker on our d line. I hope i am proven wrong in a big way

            Just throwing it out there

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            • TheClevelandSoundT TheClevelandSound

              Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

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              Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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              @theclevelandsound said:

              Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

              Wow, you can't be serious.

              While there have been some Buckeyes who didn't live up to expectations (Archie Griffin, Art Schlichter, for instance), many Buckeyes have represented well in the NFL.

              I'm not concerned with 2011's draft at this time, just surprised to see a comment like that.

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              • TheClevelandSoundT TheClevelandSound

                Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

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                miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                @theclevelandsound said:

                Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

                yeah that's way oof base. osu usually put out some of the best players in the nfl period.

                NFL Draft selections

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                1st Round: 68

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                Hall of Famers: 7

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                  @theclevelandsound said:

                  Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

                  yeah that's way oof base. osu usually put out some of the best players in the nfl period.

                  NFL Draft selections

                  Total selected: 329

                  First picks in draft: 3

                  1st Round: 68

                  NFL achievements

                  Total Players: 308

                  In the Super Bowl: 54

                  Hall of Famers: 7

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                  @miktoxic said:

                  yeah that's way oof base. osu usually put out some of the best players in the nfl period.

                  NFL Draft selections

                  Total selected: 329

                  First picks in draft: 3

                  1st Round: 68

                  NFL achievements

                  Total Players: 308

                  In the Super Bowl: 54

                  Hall of Famers: 7

                  Yeah - OSU player really have sucked...

                  Eddie George

                  Orlando Pace

                  Joey Galloway

                  Dante Lavelli

                  Pete Johnson

                  LeCharles Bentley (until the knee)

                  Jim Marshall

                  Pepper Johnson

                  Mike Vrabel

                  Will Smith

                  Shawn Springs

                  Antoine Winfield

                  Jack Tatum

                  Paul Warfield

                  A.J. Hawk

                  Keith Byars

                  Bill Willis

                  Chris Spielman

                  Need more proof?

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                  • Canton Mike Canton MikeC
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                    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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                    When Rogers comes back, hopefully at DE (my opinion), our pass rush will be blessed with IMMEDIATE improvement. One guy, & usually 2, CANNOT block him. That frees up a lot of options & opportunities to get in the opposition's backfield.

                    Mike

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                    • TheClevelandSoundT TheClevelandSound

                      Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      @theclevelandsound said:

                      Cameron Heyward...execpt usually OSU players suck in the NFL so im not so sure.

                      Really? If OSU players suck in the NFL then why is OSU like 3rd on the list of most graduates that have made the Pro Football Hall of Fame with maybe a couple of others on the way, like Chris Carter for sure, Orlando Pace. It might also behoove you to look at the Pro Bowl rosters and see where those guys went to school.

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                        @miktoxic said:

                        yeah that's way oof base. osu usually put out some of the best players in the nfl period.

                        NFL Draft selections

                        Total selected: 329

                        First picks in draft: 3

                        1st Round: 68

                        NFL achievements

                        Total Players: 308

                        In the Super Bowl: 54

                        Hall of Famers: 7

                        Yeah - OSU player really have sucked...

                        Eddie George

                        Orlando Pace

                        Joey Galloway

                        Dante Lavelli

                        Pete Johnson

                        LeCharles Bentley (until the knee)

                        Jim Marshall

                        Pepper Johnson

                        Mike Vrabel

                        Will Smith

                        Shawn Springs

                        Antoine Winfield

                        Jack Tatum

                        Paul Warfield

                        A.J. Hawk

                        Keith Byars

                        Bill Willis

                        Chris Spielman

                        Need more proof?

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                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                        @squintz said:

                        Yeah - OSU player really have sucked...

                        Eddie George

                        Orlando Pace

                        Joey Galloway

                        Dante Lavelli

                        Pete Johnson

                        LeCharles Bentley (until the knee)

                        Jim Marshall

                        Pepper Johnson

                        Mike Vrabel

                        Will Smith

                        Shawn Springs

                        Antoine Winfield

                        Jack Tatum

                        Paul Warfield

                        A.J. Hawk

                        Keith Byars

                        Bill Willis

                        Chris Spielman

                        Need more proof?

                        If he does, here it is. OSU players with number of Pro Bowls:

                        Tony Adamle 2

                        Todd Bell 1

                        David Boston 1

                        John Brockington 3

                        Fred Bruny 3

                        Nate Clements 1

                        Chris Carter 8

                        Mike Current 1

                        Tom DeLeone 2

                        Dave Foley 1

                        Tim Fox 1

                        Doug France 1

                        Shaun Gayle 1

                        Eddie George 4

                        Horace Gillom 1

                        Terry Glenn 1

                        Randy Gradishar 7

                        Lou Groza 9

                        Jim Houston 4

                        Tommy James 1

                        Pepper Johnson 2

                        Pete Johnson 1

                        Tom Kean 1

                        Jim Lachey 3

                        Dick LeBeau 3

                        Nick Mangold 2

                        Jim Marshall 1

                        Tom Matte 2

                        Fred Morrison 1

                        Jim Otis 1

                        Orlando Pace 7

                        Jim Parker 8

                        William Roberts 1

                        Dick Shafrath 6

                        Bob Shaw 1

                        Tom Skladany 1

                        Robert Smith 2

                        Will Smith 1

                        Matt Snell 3

                        Chris Spielman 4

                        Shawn Springs 1

                        Korey Stringer 1

                        Jack Tatum 3

                        Jim Tyrer 9

                        Dick Van Raphorst 1

                        Bob Vogel 5

                        Mike Vrabel 1

                        Paul Warfield 8

                        Bill Willis 3

                        Antoine Winfield 3

                        Ernie Wright 1

                        Gust Zarnas 1

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                        • SJ_Browns S
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                          S SJ_Browns wrote on last edited by SJ_Browns
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                          imho, you shouldn't get too high or too low about what you see during preseason games. i don't think the browns d is going to look like this when the games count. it would be best to wait until the games matter and see how the d is then. i seriously doubt rr is going to show much before the season opener.

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                            @miktoxic said:

                            yeah that's way oof base. osu usually put out some of the best players in the nfl period.

                            NFL Draft selections

                            Total selected: 329

                            First picks in draft: 3

                            1st Round: 68

                            NFL achievements

                            Total Players: 308

                            In the Super Bowl: 54

                            Hall of Famers: 7

                            Yeah - OSU player really have sucked...

                            Eddie George

                            Orlando Pace

                            Joey Galloway

                            Dante Lavelli

                            Pete Johnson

                            LeCharles Bentley (until the knee)

                            Jim Marshall

                            Pepper Johnson

                            Mike Vrabel

                            Will Smith

                            Shawn Springs

                            Antoine Winfield

                            Jack Tatum

                            Paul Warfield

                            A.J. Hawk

                            Keith Byars

                            Bill Willis

                            Chris Spielman

                            Need more proof?

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                            S SJ_Browns wrote on last edited by SJ_Browns
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                            @squintz said:

                            Yeah - OSU player really have sucked...

                            Eddie George

                            Orlando Pace

                            Joey Galloway

                            Dante Lavelli

                            Pete Johnson

                            LeCharles Bentley (until the knee)

                            Jim Marshall

                            Pepper Johnson

                            Mike Vrabel

                            Will Smith

                            Shawn Springs

                            Antoine Winfield

                            Jack Tatum

                            Paul Warfield

                            A.J. Hawk

                            Keith Byars

                            Bill Willis

                            Chris Spielman

                            Need more proof?

                            yeah, doing a little research before making a bold statement never hurts.

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