Anderson starting over Leinart
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Arizona needs to give Warner a controlling interest in the team if that's what it would take to get him to come back. They will be awful this year, no question, with DA or Leinart.
On another board someone posted a statistical breakdown of the worst QBs in the last 60 years and Anderson was #8 overall. He was the only QB to make the list since 1975 and we all know the passing game has gotten much easier since then due to rule changes.
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yea, i do think this is a bigger deal than just letting both guys work with the starting offense. The third preseason game is basically the dress rehearsal for the regular season. You play 99% of the time the starters you want for week one, barring those who are injured of course. I suppose this could just be something to light a fire under Leinart, but everyone thought Wisenhunt was blowing smoke a few years ago when there were talks of Warner starting too. I pretty much take this as Anderson right now having the nod, based on how he plays.
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A 2007 season for Anderson? Not likely.
A top 5 draft pick next year? Very likely.
Leinart and Quinn, who would of guessed all that potential could be just a myth. Anderson, we know he sucks and had 7/10 ths of a good year.
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From what I gathered from the commentary yesterday Weisenhunt in not impressed with Leinart or DA as a QB. The advantage with DA is that he seems more locker room friendly and does more than Leinart to command the team. Also his easy going nature is good + while his passes are very erratic atleast he has a strong gun. Expect DA to be the backup as they will search for a new franchise QB very soon. I hope Leinart paid good attention to his Mixed Martial Arts classes.
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What about these stats?
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
71 Jake Delhomme, QB CAR 321 178 55.5 2015 6.28 52 8 18 23 59.4 183
72 Brian St. Pierre, QB ARI 4 2 50.0 12 3.00 9 1 1 0 56.3 12
73 Josh Johnson, QB TB 125 63 50.4 685 5.48 35 4 8 11 50.9 114
74 JaMarcus Russell, QB OAK 246 120 48.8 1287 5.23 86 3 11 33 50.0 107
75 Keith Null, QB STL 119 73 61.3 566 4.76 25 3 9 13 49.9 142
76 J.T. O'Sullivan, QB CIN 11 4 36.4 40 3.64 16 0 0 3 47.5 13
77 Mark Brunell, QB NO 30 15 50.0 102 3.40 18 0 1 0 44.0 6
78 Brian Brohm, QB BUF 29 17 58.6 146 5.03 15 0 2 2 43.2 73
79 Luke McCown, QB JAC 3 1 33.3 2 .67 2 0 0 2 42.4 1
80 Derek Anderson, QB CLE 182 81 44.5 888 4.88 43 3 10 11 42.1 111
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Arizona needs to give Warner a controlling interest in the team if that's what it would take to get him to come back. They will be awful this year, no question, with DA or Leinart.
On another board someone posted a statistical breakdown of the worst QBs in the last 60 years and Anderson was #8 overall. He was the only QB to make the list since 1975 and we all know the passing game has gotten much easier since then due to rule changes.
Arizona needs to give Warner a controlling interest in the team if that's what it would take to get him to come back. They will be awful this year, no question, with DA or Leinart.
On another board someone posted a statistical breakdown of the worst QBs in the last 60 years and Anderson was #8 overall. He was the only QB to make the list since 1975 and we all know the passing game has gotten much easier since then due to rule changes.
Here is the chart I mentioned:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4518
It is from November 2009. Anderson ranked 14th worst QB in the last 50 years. (Mike Phipps is #4 overall for you old timers)
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Homotron said:
It doesn't show a thing. It's either a typical preseason shake up OR Leinert is putrid.Um, they're BOTH putrid. Leinart is 0 tds, 3 picks rate 64, DA is 58% completion % 1 td, 2 picks 58 rate. This against vanilla defenses. DA's gonna get Fitzgerald killed leading him into defenders.
And I agree with Zombo, DA starts over Leinart regular season, we're revoking Shep's QB discussion privileges.
Um, they're BOTH putrid. Leinart is 0 tds, 3 picks rate 64, DA is 58% completion % 1 td, 2 picks 58 rate. This against vanilla defenses. DA's gonna get Fitzgerald killed leading him into defenders.
And I agree with Zombo, DA starts over Leinart regular season, we're revoking Shep's QB discussion privileges.
Um that was my point. Anderson sucks so for Leinert to lose the job he must be god awful.
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Because Leinert is so bad....dare we say "Bust", I believe DA will be the primary QB for the Cardinals this season.
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Plus Leinart is a whinny beeyotch...
"I don't know how you judge performance when you have 13 pass attempts to the other guy's 40," Leinart said, per Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic.
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Zombo said:
Yes, he had a horrid half-season statistically to that point, and his stats were bad overall in both 2008 and 2009. But there is much more to the story as everyone knows ... depleted receiving corps, dropped passes ... last year no one on the Browns caught more than 35 passes ... MoMass was a raw rookie and it was mike furrey or josh cribbs on the otherside neither of whom would be playing wideout at all for most teams. Not until Harrison finally replaced the run-down Lewis at the end of 09 did they have any sustained running game those two yearsI can't blame the Cards for wanting to get a look at him with their starters. Even when he was playing terrible, the Browns seemed more confident with him in there than Quinn, and the record shows that. Leinart just is lacking some intangible ... whether it is passion for the game, or preparedness ... there is something missing with that dude, they have tried to hand him the job two or three times and he just won't take it.
The Cards have Larry Fitzgerald, Breaston, Ducet, Beanie Wells, etc... you can't blame them for wondering if they can get a glimpse of the 07 Anderson in this environment, the bottom line is they need someone to take command of the huddle and the offense ... and Leinart is not doing it.
Zombo
Playing on a bad team does make it hard for a QB to succeed, but good QBs make the players around them better.
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I wish DA all the luck in the world at winning and holding the starting job in arizona...but we know DA all to well, With that intoxicating arm he generally does just good enough in the pre-season where there is often less heat on the qb to cause controversy and convince the coaches into thinking they can tame and mold him, then when the season starts he implodes...
While i wish DA the best if he wins the start, i have to give the cardinal fans have my deepest sympathy but on the other hand if leinart wins the start they still have my deepest sympathy..the cards qb situation resembles ours last year, with the only difference being the cards have some legit WRs..
For some reason i see the cards rotating QBs this year while coach criesandhunts for a legit QB...hehehehehe
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That's what I said. The Cardinals should be moving the earth and moon to get Warner out of retirement.
That's what I said. The Cardinals should be moving the earth and moon to get Warner out of retirement.
Why? Worst case they have a poor season and a high draft pick. I wouldn't go out of my way to coerce a QB out of retirement unless he retired prematurely or a factor changed after the fact. I'd imagine they would really have to make it worth his while to pull him out of retirement and in the end it's likely not worth it. I don't believe they are favorites out of the NFC especially with Boldin in Baltimore. Although Breaston should step in nicely. They'll take their blows and move on just like every other team in the NFL forced to contend with the departure of a premier player.
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I agree Steeler.
You can never go home. Once something is done, it is done and you move on.
If you keep reaching back for the past, you lose sight of the future and end up with a bleak future and history you can never regain..
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Anderson played well today.
He may never catch the magic he had a few years ago, but he is a NFl bottom 3rd starting QB. maybe better if he gains some consistency.
But, it doesn't really matter. All I really care about are Delomme, Wallace, Ratliff, and McCoy because they play for my team.
In a fleeting way I care about Peyton Manning, Matt Stafford, Chad Henne, and Tim Tebow....they are the QB's on my FF keeper team. There will be a few more to add to the list once I draft for my 2 rotisserie leagues in a week or so.
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Zombo said:
Yes, he had a horrid half-season statistically to that point, and his stats were bad overall in both 2008 and 2009. But there is much more to the story as everyone knows ... depleted receiving corps, dropped passes ... last year no one on the Browns caught more than 35 passes ... MoMass was a raw rookie and it was mike furrey or josh cribbs on the otherside neither of whom would be playing wideout at all for most teams. Not until Harrison finally replaced the run-down Lewis at the end of 09 did they have any sustained running game those two yearsI can't blame the Cards for wanting to get a look at him with their starters. Even when he was playing terrible, the Browns seemed more confident with him in there than Quinn, and the record shows that. Leinart just is lacking some intangible ... whether it is passion for the game, or preparedness ... there is something missing with that dude, they have tried to hand him the job two or three times and he just won't take it.
The Cards have Larry Fitzgerald, Breaston, Ducet, Beanie Wells, etc... you can't blame them for wondering if they can get a glimpse of the 07 Anderson in this environment, the bottom line is they need someone to take command of the huddle and the offense ... and Leinart is not doing it.
Zombo
Playing on a bad team does make it hard for a QB to succeed, but good QBs make the players around them better.
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Seeing DA and Quinn in the preseason just makes me appreciate Delhomme that much more. The last few games I could not believe my eyes because it look like we actually had a QB. Im not saying Delhomme is the next Kurt Warner but when you use to crumbs and then all of a sudden you get a slice of bread your happy!!!
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DA and Quinn rate far, far, far, far down the list of BACKUP QUARTERBACKS in my book,
Da would be higher because of his arm.
Delhomme and Wallace are a gigantic breath of fresh air. Forget the past, these two Browns qb's
can PLAY the game. They can even think fast and make great decisions.
Whole new ballgame !
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Delhomme is better than DA and I think it's pretty obvious. Heck, even grandpa Farve is far better....when standing. Jake has the same issue as lots of good veterans like Warner (isnt playing but could) have. Hit him a few times and the season is over. That's why Jake was let go and young Matt Moore is QB for Carolina.
DA will do o.k in AZ, and I'm not surprised they took him. The rest of the country saw things different from what Cleveland residents saw. No one expected anything out of DA and he produces 2007 season. Then everyone expects 07 repeat in 08, ....well everyone in Cleveland anyway, but the team sucks and having idiot coach doesn't really help the whole situation. So, 3-5 start actually wasn't bad and whole season should have ended at 7-9 or with some luck 8-8. Heck, you saw the rest. There's a good reason 49 other states submitted a petition to rename Cleveland Browns to Clusterfunk Browns (n is silent). I don't think other teams look down on DA as much because his career started in a very dysfunctional franchise.
Go ahead disagree with me, but that's what fans of other teams saw.
DA's biggest issue is that he thinks he can beat triple coverage with his arm; he often does, but the down side is pretty brutal.
Browns might go 12-4 or 4-12 depending on how many times Jake gets hit in the first game. And all that talk about Seneca being awesome QB, lolz. I watched him play. He's good for a game and a half. Then it will be Charlie Fry - 2, I meant 3 (Quinn was 2).
p.s. Not a Browns fan, but has been following Browns closely for 5 years now. It's like a weird addiction.
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