Grade the First Round QBs
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With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
Matt Leinert, AZ:
Michael Vick, ATL:
Matt Ryan, ATL:
Kyle Boller, BAL:
Joe Flacco, BAL:
J.P. Losman, BUFF:
Rex Grossman, CHI:
Carson Palmer, CIN:
Brady Quinn, CLE:
Jay Cutler, DEN:
Tim Tebow, DEN:
Joey Harrington, DET:
Matt Stafford, DET:
Aaron Rodgers, GB:
David Carr, HOU:
Byron Leftwich, JAX:
Eli Manning, NYG:
Chad Pennington, NYJ:
Mark Sanchez, NYJ:
Jamarcus Russell, OAK:
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT:
Philip Rivers, SD:
Alex Smith, SF:
Sam Bradford: St.L:
Josh Freeman, TB:
Vince Young, TN:
Patrick Ramsey, WASH:
With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
Matt Leinert, AZ:D-
Michael Vick, ATL:C
Matt Ryan, ATL:B with possibility of an A
Kyle Boller, BAL:D
Joe Flacco, BAL:B with a high ceiling
J.P. Losman, BUFF:F
Rex Grossman, CHI:D
Carson Palmer, CIN:B-
Brady Quinn, CLE:C
Jay Cutler, DEN:C+ no playoff wins and he doesn't deserve his salary
Tim Tebow, DEN: Uh...
Joey Harrington, DET:D
Matt Stafford, DET:C+
Aaron Rodgers, GB:A-
David Carr, HOU:F
Byron Leftwich, JAX:B-
Eli Manning, NYG: A
Chad Pennington, NYJ:B
Mark Sanchez, NYJ:C-
Jamarcus Russell, OAK:F-
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT:A-(B for the regular season and A for the post season)
Philip Rivers, SD:B+
Alex Smith, SF:C
Sam Bradford: St.L: C for now
Josh Freeman, TB:C
Vince Young, TN:C
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: Who?
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With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
Matt Leinert, AZ:
Michael Vick, ATL:
Matt Ryan, ATL:
Kyle Boller, BAL:
Joe Flacco, BAL:
J.P. Losman, BUFF:
Rex Grossman, CHI:
Carson Palmer, CIN:
Brady Quinn, CLE:
Jay Cutler, DEN:
Tim Tebow, DEN:
Joey Harrington, DET:
Matt Stafford, DET:
Aaron Rodgers, GB:
David Carr, HOU:
Byron Leftwich, JAX:
Eli Manning, NYG:
Chad Pennington, NYJ:
Mark Sanchez, NYJ:
Jamarcus Russell, OAK:
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT:
Philip Rivers, SD:
Alex Smith, SF:
Sam Bradford: St.L:
Josh Freeman, TB:
Vince Young, TN:
Patrick Ramsey, WASH:
With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
Matt Leinert, AZ: 14 int 20 td c-
Michael Vick, ATL: c
Kyle Boller, BAL: 48 td 50 pics c-
Joe Flacco, BAL: 35td 24 pics b
J.P. Losman, BUFF: 33td 34 picx b-
Rex Grossman, CHI: 33td 35 pix c
Carson Palmer, CIN: 128td 88 pix A
Brady Quinn, CLE: 1 F
y Cutler, DEN: 27td 26pix B-
Tim Tebow, DEN: F
Joey Harrington, DET: td 12 pix 15 c--
Matt Stafford, DET: td 13 pix 20 d
Aaron Rodgers, GB: a+
David Carr, HOU: 65 td 700 int d
Byron Leftwich, JAX: c-
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Eli Manning, NYG: a
Chad Pennington, NYJ: A-
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: c-
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: f
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: F+
Philip Rivers, SD: B+
Alex Smith, SF: D
Sam Bradford: St.L C-
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Josh Freeman, TB: D
Vince Young, TN: D-
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D+
effin tedious
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With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
Matt Leinert, AZ:
Michael Vick, ATL:
Matt Ryan, ATL:
Kyle Boller, BAL:
Joe Flacco, BAL:
J.P. Losman, BUFF:
Rex Grossman, CHI:
Carson Palmer, CIN:
Brady Quinn, CLE:
Jay Cutler, DEN:
Tim Tebow, DEN:
Joey Harrington, DET:
Matt Stafford, DET:
Aaron Rodgers, GB:
David Carr, HOU:
Byron Leftwich, JAX:
Eli Manning, NYG:
Chad Pennington, NYJ:
Mark Sanchez, NYJ:
Jamarcus Russell, OAK:
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT:
Philip Rivers, SD:
Alex Smith, SF:
Sam Bradford: St.L:
Josh Freeman, TB:
Vince Young, TN:
Patrick Ramsey, WASH:
With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
My own assessments:
Matt Leinert, AZ: D, looks like he could be a bust
Michael Vick, ATL: B for on field prowess, D for overall given his history
Matt Ryan, ATL: B but partially incomplete
Kyle Boller, BAL: D, is he even still on a roster?
Joe Flacco, BAL: B, had his team to playoffs a couple of times
J.P. Losman, BUFF: D, started a couple of years (not Akili Smith territory, who was worse than Leaf, both pre-2000)
Rex Grossman, CHI: C+, he DID take his team to the Super Bowl
Carson Palmer, CIN: B, he needs to take his team further in postseason play to be considered premier
Brady Quinn, CLE: D, so far, somewhat incomplete
Jay Cutler, DEN: C at best so far.
Tim Tebow, DEN: Incomplete though I am not confident of his future
Joey Harrington, DET: D, big time bust
Matt Stafford, DET: C+ for his efforts so far
Aaron Rodgers, GB: B+
David Carr, HOU: C, I don't rate him as low as many given his circumstance.
Byron Leftwich, JAX: C+
Eli Manning, NYG: A-
Chad Pennington, NYJ: B
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: B, with incomplete
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: D, heading for an F
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: A- (2 SB rings, though he was a tag along for the first one)
Philip Rivers, SD: B+, needs to get it done in post season
Alex Smith, SF: D+
Sam Bradford: St.L: Incomplete
Josh Freeman, TB: C, incomplete
Vince Young, TN: B, climbed up from a D
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D, a bust
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Matt Leinert, AZ: F
Michael Vick, ATL: C
Matt Ryan, ATL: A
Kyle Boller, BAL: F
Joe Flacco, BAL: B
J.P. Losman, BUFF: F
Rex Grossman, CHI: D
Carson Palmer, CIN: A
Brady Quinn, CLE: F
Jay Cutler, DEN: C
Tim Tebow, DEN:
Joey Harrington, DET: F
Matt Stafford, DET: B
Aaron Rodgers, GB: A
David Carr, HOU: D
Byron Leftwich, JAX: D
Eli Manning, NYG: A
Chad Pennington, NYJ: B
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: C
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: F
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: A
Philip Rivers, SD: A
Alex Smith, SF: F
Sam Bradford: St.L:
Josh Freeman, TB: C
Vince Young, TN: C
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D
Can't grade Bradford or Tebow.
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Well, I'm gonna get out of bed every morning... breathe in and out all day long. Then, after a while I won't have to remind myself to get out of bed every morning and breathe in and out... and, then after a while, I won't have to think about how I had it great and perfect for a while.
Matt Leinert, AZ: F--
Michael Vick, ATL: C but could be worse on total waste of talen
Matt Ryan, ATL: b could be an A with play off wins
Kyle Boller, BAL: D - still in the league
Joe Flacco, BAL: B
J.P. Losman, BUFF: D
Rex Grossman, CHI: C-
Carson Palmer, CIN: B
Brady Quinn, CLE: F
Jay Cutler, DEN: C
Tim Tebow, DEN:
Joey Harrington, DET: F
Matt Stafford, DET: C
Aaron Rodgers, GB: A
David Carr, HOU: D
Byron Leftwich, JAX: D
Eli Manning, NYG: A
Chad Pennington, NYJ: B
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: d
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: F
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: B HE should be an A but gets lowered for gayness
Philip Rivers, SD: B
Alex Smith, SF: F
Sam Bradford: St.L:
Josh Freeman, TB: C
Vince Young, TN: C
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D
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With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
Matt Leinert, AZ:
Michael Vick, ATL:
Matt Ryan, ATL:
Kyle Boller, BAL:
Joe Flacco, BAL:
J.P. Losman, BUFF:
Rex Grossman, CHI:
Carson Palmer, CIN:
Brady Quinn, CLE:
Jay Cutler, DEN:
Tim Tebow, DEN:
Joey Harrington, DET:
Matt Stafford, DET:
Aaron Rodgers, GB:
David Carr, HOU:
Byron Leftwich, JAX:
Eli Manning, NYG:
Chad Pennington, NYJ:
Mark Sanchez, NYJ:
Jamarcus Russell, OAK:
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT:
Philip Rivers, SD:
Alex Smith, SF:
Sam Bradford: St.L:
Josh Freeman, TB:
Vince Young, TN:
Patrick Ramsey, WASH:
With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:
Matt Leinert, AZ: D- working towards F
Michael Vick, ATL: C+ now, could bet back to B
Matt Ryan, ATL: A
Kyle Boller, BAL: C
Joe Flacco, BAL: B
J.P. Losman, BUFF: F
Rex Grossman, CHI: D-
Carson Palmer, CIN: A
Brady Quinn, CLE: D-...trending like leinart
Jay Cutler, DEN: B-
Tim Tebow, DEN: Inc
Joey Harrington, DET: F
Matt Stafford, DET: C+ trending up
Aaron Rodgers, GB: A
David Carr, HOU: C
Byron Leftwich, JAX: C+
Eli Manning, NYG: B+
Chad Pennington, NYJ: C+
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: B- trending up
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: D trending down
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: A trending down
Philip Rivers, SD: A
Alex Smith, SF: C
Sam Bradford: St.L: Inc
Josh Freeman, TB: C
Vince Young, TN:
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D
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Dammit gipper this is to much work! hehehehe
Matt Leinert, AZ: D- and working toward Failsauce
Michael Vick, ATL: D+
Matt Ryan, ATL: B
Kyle Boller, BAL: F
Joe Flacco, BAL: C+ working toward a B
J.P. Losman, BUFF: F
Rex Grossman, CHI: F
Carson Palmer, CIN: C+ Overrated has a tremendous arsenal.
Brady Quinn, CLE: D- working on Failsauce
Jay Cutler, DEN: C-
Tim Tebow, DEN: unknown at this point..
Joey Harrington, DET: F
Matt Stafford, DET: C++ working toward an A..
Aaron Rodgers, GB: A+
David Carr, HOU: C
Byron Leftwich, JAX: C-
Eli Manning, NYG: C+ he aint his brother
Chad Pennington, NYJ: F
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: C trending direction yet to be determined.
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: F+
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: B solid...
Philip Rivers, SD: B solid..
Alex Smith, SF: C-
Sam Bradford: St.L: Undetermined..but looking good
Josh Freeman, TB: C
Vince Young, TN: C-
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D+
Cleveland QBs
Jake Delhomme: C trending direction unknown
Seneca Wallace: C-trending direction unknown
Colt McCoy: Undetermined need to see him with the first team a while...performance on second unit D trending D- based on the fact he has done nothing to stand out thusfar minus some really good fast feet and 3 interceptions its always an nfl defensive practice to pressure the rook QBs until they are burned numerous times and forced to have some respect. colts still a little to slow on the draw..
Brett Ratliff: D- solid always trending into Failsauce
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Zombo said:
With the discussion of whether or not Leinert or DA may end up playing in Arizona, how about undertaking the following exercise: Grade the First Round QBs of the 21st Century (since 2000). I am listing all the QBs drafted in the First round with their team. Please assess a grade A,B,C,D,F etc. to each guy:Matt Leinert, AZ: D+
Michael Vick, ATL: C Sorry, the #1 in the draft can't start? D-
Matt Ryan, ATL: B trending up
Kyle Boller, BAL: D trending down
Joe Flacco, BAL: B trending up
J.P. Losman, BUFF: D-
Rex Grossman, CHI: C- Sorry D he sucks
Carson Palmer, CIN: B+
Brady Quinn, CLE: D-
Jay Cutler, DEN: B-
Tim Tebow, DEN: I
Joey Harrington, DET: D, F, mega bust.
Matt Stafford, DET: I
Aaron Rodgers, GB: B+ A, could be great
David Carr, HOU: C- D, another #1 that didn't measure up
Byron Leftwich, JAX: C-, D, immobile backup
Eli Manning, NYG: B
Chad Pennington, NYJ: B- C
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: I
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: F
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: B
Philip Rivers, SD: A
Alex Smith, SF: C-
Sam Bradford: St.L: I
Josh Freeman, TB: I
Vince Young, TN: B-
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D
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Somehow I deleted Young off the list...I would give him a B.
All in all, just browsing the grades it seems we are all fairly close in the grades. Obviously there are some differences but nothing that really stands out...it's mostly half grade difference.
So we get an A!
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You know fellas with the exception of one or two people being intentionally ridiculous just about everyone has Ben ranked fairly well. I'm only commenting now because it's obvious most can at least respect his play on the field and the play of the Steelers for that matter. The entire message board could be a hell of a lot better if this method of thinking was applied more often. I can certainly give credit where credit is do for all teams in the NFL and I understand the Browns hate the Steelers and vice versa....this thread just shows me that most of the time it's a bunch of over the top bullsh.it for the sake of throwing around over the top bullsh.it. A lot of really intelligent inter-divisions discussions could be had here if this were a constant mantra for discussions. Just saying. I may rank the NFL QB's later. Definitely don't feel like doing it now. Good thread though.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Homotron, I know how to make this happen. If you and the rest of ur gay ass steeler fans stay on ur gay porn sites then I think the problem is solved.
Stay gay my friend you are an inspiration
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You know fellas with the exception of one or two people being intentionally ridiculous just about everyone has Ben ranked fairly well. I'm only commenting now because it's obvious most can at least respect his play on the field and the play of the Steelers for that matter. The entire message board could be a hell of a lot better if this method of thinking was applied more often. I can certainly give credit where credit is do for all teams in the NFL and I understand the Browns hate the Steelers and vice versa....this thread just shows me that most of the time it's a bunch of over the top bullsh.it for the sake of throwing around over the top bullsh.it. A lot of really intelligent inter-divisions discussions could be had here if this were a constant mantra for discussions. Just saying. I may rank the NFL QB's later. Definitely don't feel like doing it now. Good thread though.
Homotron said:
You know fellas with the exception of one or two people being intentionally ridiculous just about everyone has Ben ranked fairly well. I'm only commenting now because it's obvious most can at least respect his play on the field and the play of the Steelers for that matter. The entire message board could be a hell of a lot better if this method of thinking was applied more often. I can certainly give credit where credit is do for all teams in the NFL and I understand the Browns hate the Steelers and vice versa....this thread just shows me that most of the time it's a bunch of over the top bullsh.it for the sake of throwing around over the top bullsh.it. A lot of really intelligent inter-divisions discussions could be had here if this were a constant mantra for discussions. Just saying. I may rank the NFL QB's later. Definitely don't feel like doing it now. Good thread though.Dude, I'll always have honest conversations with you. Just because you are a Steeler doesn't make you a jerk....degenerate, maybe, but not a jerk.
Seriously, Ben, though a egg head, has had a plus plus career......but it can go down.
I think he has had his wake up call and will continue to have a close to HOF career.
I am in a keeper league and Ben is a FA...I have Peyton, Stafford, and Henne at QB as my holdovers...I'll pick the guy if he is there when I think he will be there....I am thinking 3rd-4th round considering his suspension....I'll just have to wait for tomorrow to see how the draft unfolds.
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The "Any Which Way You Can" orangutan Clyde could have quarterbacked
the Steelers as well or better than Ben Classlessbooger
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The "Any Which Way You Can" orangutan Clyde could have quarterbacked
the Steelers as well or better than Ben Classlessbooger
The "Any Which Way You Can" orangutan Clyde could have quarterbacked
the Steelers as well or better than Ben Classlessbooger
That may be a slight exaggeration in respect to the first SB that the Steelers won with him where he simply rode in the back of the cart, but it is definitely not true in regard to the second one where he was driving the cart.
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Matt Leinert, AZ: D
Michael Vick, ATL: B (nfc championship, never had a decent wr)
Matt Ryan, ATL: A (he's done everything asked of him)
Kyle Boller, BAL: C
Joe Flacco, BAL: B
J.P. Losman, BUFF: F
Rex Grossman, CHI: D
Carson Palmer, CIN: C
Brady Quinn, CLE: F
Jay Cutler, DEN: C
Tim Tebow, DEN: C
Joey Harrington, DET: F
Matt Stafford, DET: B
Aaron Rodgers, GB: A
David Carr, HOU: F
Byron Leftwich, JAX: C
Eli Manning, NYG: C
Chad Pennington, NYJ: C
Mark Sanchez, NYJ: C
Jamarcus Russell, OAK: F-
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: B (I cant justify an A, I hate the guy)
Philip Rivers, SD: A
Alex Smith, SF: C
Sam Bradford: St.L: C
Josh Freeman, TB: D
Vince Young, TN: C
Patrick Ramsey, WASH: D
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