Hardesty
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I tore my ACL my senior year of high school football and when I was limping off the field it felt like bone against bone in my knee. Not a fun injury.
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His running style, pushing the pile with all that stress on his bent knees has to take it's toll.
He should have just got as much as he could get, and gone down to the ground to run again.
Instead, he kept going, but bent knees are far, far more apt to be injured from the force of resistance,
they are much less stable to force from the side...
too bad for Hardesty.
His running style, pushing the pile with all that stress on his bent knees has to take it's toll.
He should have just got as much as he could get, and gone down to the ground to run again.
Instead, he kept going, but bent knees are far, far more apt to be injured from the force of resistance,
they are much less stable to force from the side...
too bad for Hardesty.
after the browns drafted hardesty, i read several articles about him that said at times he played too aggressive and needed to know when to just get down. this overly aggressive style probably led to some of his prior injuries and it seems like it led to his injury last night. jmo.
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OK, for any of you amateur physicians out there, here is the blog concerning Leftwich's injury:
Leftwich likely out 4-6 weeks: Steelers QB Byron Leftwich has been diagnosed with a torn MCL, according to his management company. Leftwich, expected to start during Ben Roethlisberger's suspension, injured his left knee during the first half of Thursday's preseason finale against Carolina. Such an injury usually takes 4-6 weeks to recover from.
So, he has a torn MCL, and Hardesty has a torn ACL. Can anyone tell us why a torn MCL would only cause a guy to be out of action 4-6 weeks, but a torn ACL would cause one to be out for the entire year?
(FYI, when I was 16 I suffered some kind of knee ligament tear requriring surgery. I don't know exactly what I tore. Doctors in those days didn't tell kids what they tore, just that the needed surgery. I have the zipper scar to prove it.)
OK, for any of you amateur physicians out there, here is the blog concerning Leftwich's injury:
Leftwich likely out 4-6 weeks: Steelers QB Byron Leftwich has been diagnosed with a torn MCL, according to his management company. Leftwich, expected to start during Ben Roethlisberger's suspension, injured his left knee during the first half of Thursday's preseason finale against Carolina. Such an injury usually takes 4-6 weeks to recover from.
So, he has a torn MCL, and Hardesty has a torn ACL. Can anyone tell us why a torn MCL would only cause a guy to be out of action 4-6 weeks, but a torn ACL would cause one to be out for the entire year?
(FYI, when I was 16 I suffered some kind of knee ligament tear requriring surgery. I don't know exactly what I tore. Doctors in those days didn't tell kids what they tore, just that the needed surgery. I have the zipper scar to prove it.)
Ok, now I’m not a doctor, and so my information is only lay and 2nd hand from the doctor who fixed my ACL. Also, sometimes some sports casters who are giving color commentary on the game have good information on this kind of stuff.
The lateral ligaments (MCL & PCL) only help stabilize the knee to sideways or lateral pressures and forces. They also can’t really be repaired if they are completely gone or disrupted. I think they can try to reattach two ends if completely torn, but not sure. Otherwise it just takes time to let it heal, or for the physical therapy to get the knee and leg muscles to compensate for a lack of the ligament.
The ACL, on the other hand, is the main ligament in your knee. Probably the result of your zipper scar. I walked around without one for 5 years, and my knee is still very loose (had it replaced in 2001). There are some cases where folks have played extreme sports (basketball there is a guy without one in both knees) without them. But by and large, you need them to do sports.
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OK, for any of you amateur physicians out there, here is the blog concerning Leftwich's injury:
Leftwich likely out 4-6 weeks: Steelers QB Byron Leftwich has been diagnosed with a torn MCL, according to his management company. Leftwich, expected to start during Ben Roethlisberger's suspension, injured his left knee during the first half of Thursday's preseason finale against Carolina. Such an injury usually takes 4-6 weeks to recover from.
So, he has a torn MCL, and Hardesty has a torn ACL. Can anyone tell us why a torn MCL would only cause a guy to be out of action 4-6 weeks, but a torn ACL would cause one to be out for the entire year?
(FYI, when I was 16 I suffered some kind of knee ligament tear requriring surgery. I don't know exactly what I tore. Doctors in those days didn't tell kids what they tore, just that the needed surgery. I have the zipper scar to prove it.)
There are 3 ligaments in your knee. ACL (anterior cruciate ligament), PCL (posterior? cruciate lig) and MCL (medial cruc. lig.). ACL tears are hte worst of the 3. An MCL tear affects the smalles of the ligaments, and the one in the middle, so the other two can help compensate while it heals. ACL tears affect I believe the ligament on the outside of your knee and require a long recovery phase.
There are 3 ligaments in your knee. ACL (anterior cruciate ligament), PCL (posterior? cruciate lig) and MCL (medial cruc. lig.). ACL tears are hte worst of the 3. An MCL tear affects the smalles of the ligaments, and the one in the middle, so the other two can help compensate while it heals. ACL tears affect I believe the ligament on the outside of your knee and require a long recovery phase.
You CAN get back to speed with a torn ACL. Especially with the surgery advancements the past 5 years. Have torn ACL in one knee and PCL in the other.
ACL i would argue personally is better then PCL ( I would say 12 months on a collegiate treatment/physio, but had our most athletic RB's up to full speed in 8 mths after surgery, NFL physio would argue should be less (i guess will see with Welker this year) but I can vouch that your speed comes back .
PCL recovery harder because physio is more for stopping and those muscles are more difficult to build up. PCL didnt affect my straigh tline speed, but stopping /cutting just not there like it was.
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OK, for any of you amateur physicians out there, here is the blog concerning Leftwich's injury:
Leftwich likely out 4-6 weeks: Steelers QB Byron Leftwich has been diagnosed with a torn MCL, according to his management company. Leftwich, expected to start during Ben Roethlisberger's suspension, injured his left knee during the first half of Thursday's preseason finale against Carolina. Such an injury usually takes 4-6 weeks to recover from.
So, he has a torn MCL, and Hardesty has a torn ACL. Can anyone tell us why a torn MCL would only cause a guy to be out of action 4-6 weeks, but a torn ACL would cause one to be out for the entire year?
(FYI, when I was 16 I suffered some kind of knee ligament tear requriring surgery. I don't know exactly what I tore. Doctors in those days didn't tell kids what they tore, just that the needed surgery. I have the zipper scar to prove it.)
There are 3 ligaments in your knee. ACL (anterior cruciate ligament), PCL (posterior? cruciate lig) and MCL (medial cruc. lig.). ACL tears are hte worst of the 3. An MCL tear affects the smalles of the ligaments, and the one in the middle, so the other two can help compensate while it heals. ACL tears affect I believe the ligament on the outside of your knee and require a long recovery phase.
There are 3 ligaments in your knee. ACL (anterior cruciate ligament), PCL (posterior? cruciate lig) and MCL (medial cruc. lig.). ACL tears are hte worst of the 3. An MCL tear affects the smalles of the ligaments, and the one in the middle, so the other two can help compensate while it heals. ACL tears affect I believe the ligament on the outside of your knee and require a long recovery phase.
Actually there are 4 major ligaments… MCL (Medial Collateral Ligament – inside of the knee), LCL (Lateral Collateral Ligament – outside of the knee), ACL (Anterior Cruciate Ligament – down middle of knee), and PCL (Posterial Cruciate Ligament – behind the ACL at back of knee)
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IF there is any positive, it is at least at a position where we have a LOT of depth and could give a kid like James Davis a chance to shine. Hardesty will sit on the shelf and hopefully be able to rehab and come back next year and show what he can do. A shame....but i wasn't counting on him being the stud running back of our team anyway.
Does Chris Jennings make the club with this injury?
Unless Jennings produces well on Special Teams, why do we need him? Davis, Hillis, & Harrison work very well behind Vickers. We can save that extra spot that Hardesty would have taken up to give another WR or LB a shot.
Unless Jennings produces well on Special Teams, why do we need him? Davis, Hillis, & Harrison work very well behind Vickers. We can save that extra spot that Hardesty would have taken up to give another WR or LB a shot.
Thaak, i tend to agree with you in terms of Jennings being needed on the club. Just was wondering if anyone or someone over-valued his need to be on our team. I think the only way he makes the club is if James Davis's injury is something greater than the little limp he had.
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Turns out, The Browns might want to upgrade their medical staff. MH had injury concerns out the ying yang, yet our crack team of physicians gave the OK to trade up, and grab a guy that everyone else in the football world knew had durability issues............What's up Doc?
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Oh Man bad news for Hardesty To bad thank you for the Video.
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OK, for any of you amateur physicians out there, here is the blog concerning Leftwich's injury:
Leftwich likely out 4-6 weeks: Steelers QB Byron Leftwich has been diagnosed with a torn MCL, according to his management company. Leftwich, expected to start during Ben Roethlisberger's suspension, injured his left knee during the first half of Thursday's preseason finale against Carolina. Such an injury usually takes 4-6 weeks to recover from.
So, he has a torn MCL, and Hardesty has a torn ACL. Can anyone tell us why a torn MCL would only cause a guy to be out of action 4-6 weeks, but a torn ACL would cause one to be out for the entire year?
(FYI, when I was 16 I suffered some kind of knee ligament tear requriring surgery. I don't know exactly what I tore. Doctors in those days didn't tell kids what they tore, just that the needed surgery. I have the zipper scar to prove it.)
The reason why an ACL tear is worse than a MCL tear is the ACL is an internal ligament- it basically gives you front-back stability in the knee, it usually completely blows out- all or none injury- and the surgery to repair it is a mess. (More on that later) Think of a MCL tear the same way you would an ankle sprain.
For those who wonder why it takes so long to come back from a torn ACL I dug up this video. WARNINING- IF YOU'RE SQUEAMISH- I DON'T RECOMMEND IT- I WORKED IN A TRAUMA CENTER FOR YEARS, AND SOME OF IT HAD ME GRITTING MY TEETH.
The reason why an ACL tear is worse than a MCL tear is the ACL is an internal ligament- it basically gives you front-back stability in the knee, it usually completely blows out- all or none injury- and the surgery to repair it is a mess. (More on that later) Think of a MCL tear the same way you would an ankle sprain.
For those who wonder why it takes so long to come back from a torn ACL I dug up this video. WARNINING- IF YOU'RE SQUEAMISH- I DON'T RECOMMEND IT- I WORKED IN A TRAUMA CENTER FOR YEARS, AND SOME OF IT HAD ME GRITTING MY TEETH.
That was nothing. I've witnessed autopsies of accident/homicide victims. That is bad.
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Damn, I just logged on to find this stuff out! It sucks really bad, but RB is something we have depth in. Its actually finally nice for once that an actual starter didnt go down. We have what 2 or 3 guys out for the season, Hardesty and Haggerty, both looked good, but now we have to wait another year. It does suck we spent 2 or 3 picks on him, but if he was great then it was worth it. Cant really blame anyone here for the injury. Every team has them, some more than others -------> BROWNS, but once again we have a pretty healthy team to start the season for once, no QB contrversy, no Diva WR and Accidental deaths, it is looking good for us. I cant wait till next Sunday.
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Bad pick? I don't think so.
The entire draft is a crap shoot (Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, etc), so we took a risk on a back with fantastic upside. I was elated that we took the chance & who knows what next year may bring? All I can do is wish him well & hope he becomes as Blessed as the Cav's "Z" has been.
Mike
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Man, this is bad news, when I watched him walk off through the tunnel he seemed fine, I thought he would be back in weeks - shite. I guess what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. At least davis showed some metal when Hardesty was getting Xrayed. Damn, come on, a healthy season makes such a difference, 2007 was mega healthy and we had DA! Damn.
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Bad pick? I don't think so.
The entire draft is a crap shoot (Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, etc), so we took a risk on a back with fantastic upside. I was elated that we took the chance & who knows what next year may bring? All I can do is wish him well & hope he becomes as Blessed as the Cav's "Z" has been.
Mike
Bad pick? I don't think so.
The entire draft is a crap shoot (Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, etc), so we took a risk on a back with fantastic upside. I was elated that we took the chance & who knows what next year may bring? All I can do is wish him well & hope he becomes as Blessed as the Cav's "Z" has been.
Mike
I disagree. I was not pleased with the draft, especially our #1 and this move. As long as we continue to draft in this manner, we will not become that high performing team we desire. We could have drafted two top tier O or D linemen instead - which was more of a need. Time may prove me wrong, but I'm pissed right now about this injury and Steptoe cut, and probably our linebacker David Veikune probably in the next couple of days.
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Bad pick? I don't think so.
The entire draft is a crap shoot (Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, etc), so we took a risk on a back with fantastic upside. I was elated that we took the chance & who knows what next year may bring? All I can do is wish him well & hope he becomes as Blessed as the Cav's "Z" has been.
Mike
I disagree. I was not pleased with the draft, especially our #1 and this move. As long as we continue to draft in this manner, we will not become that high performing team we desire. We could have drafted two top tier O or D linemen instead - which was more of a need. Time may prove me wrong, but I'm pissed right now about this injury and Steptoe cut, and probably our linebacker David Veikune probably in the next couple of days.
I disagree. I was not pleased with the draft, especially our #1 and this move. As long as we continue to draft in this manner, we will not become that high performing team we desire. We could have drafted two top tier O or D linemen instead - which was more of a need. Time may prove me wrong, but I'm pissed right now about this injury and Steptoe cut, and probably our linebacker David Veikune probably in the next couple of days.
This might be your opinion, but it's bullshit.
We haven't drafted this well is a while.
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Bad pick? I don't think so.
The entire draft is a crap shoot (Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, etc), so we took a risk on a back with fantastic upside. I was elated that we took the chance & who knows what next year may bring? All I can do is wish him well & hope he becomes as Blessed as the Cav's "Z" has been.
Mike
I disagree. I was not pleased with the draft, especially our #1 and this move. As long as we continue to draft in this manner, we will not become that high performing team we desire. We could have drafted two top tier O or D linemen instead - which was more of a need. Time may prove me wrong, but I'm pissed right now about this injury and Steptoe cut, and probably our linebacker David Veikune probably in the next couple of days.
I disagree. I was not pleased with the draft, especially our #1 and this move. As long as we continue to draft in this manner, we will not become that high performing team we desire. We could have drafted two top tier O or D linemen instead - which was more of a need. Time may prove me wrong, but I'm pissed right now about this injury and Steptoe cut, and probably our linebacker David Veikune probably in the next couple of days.
I'll disagree with your assessment. Hardesty is an injury bust for this year true enough- but Hayden was definitely BPA. In case you didn't notice the two BPA DL- Suh & McCoy were off the board when the Browns drafted Hayden. And you don't take RT and RGs with the #8 pick. Ward's also an injury risk- how's he been doing so far? OL help? Lauvao hasn't looked too shabby in preseason.
You're saying you're pissed that Steptoe got cut? Why? Because he can fair catch punts? Mad that Hayden can do as well or better in that department, and made Tippytoes expendable?
Veikune has done exactly what so far? Now OTOH you want to b**ch that Savage couldn't draft worth a s**t, Well go right ahead.
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I still like the pick. He was worth the gamble, and hopefully still is.
Adrian Peterson was an injury prone prospect coming out and he's done all right. Obviously there's difference in talent, but the point remains.
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