ANDERSON gets the last laugh?
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It's not an exaggeration. I'm positive that near the end of 2008, when we all had the dropsies, NFL Live counted the number of dropped passes in one game and it was 10-11. I'll try to find it if I can, but that definitely happened. Hell, Braylon alone dropped 1-2 a game.
And you are right, Peyton does make his receivers look great. But Peyton is also a lock for the Hall, and one of the greatest passers ever. And defenses have had to scheme against Peyton and Reggie and Marvin for so long that it would leave the rest of the wideouts open. Even now that Marvin's gone, teams still have to respect Reggie in the deep zones, and play him with a cushion or double cover him. That's going to free up Garcon, Gonzales, Collie, and any other receiver they have. That just proves how much having a legitimate deep threat WR helps a team gameplan.
What I was trying to say is that, ultimately, the WR determines if the catch is made. You can place a perfect ball in a shitty WR's hands and he drops it. Or you can throw the perfectly timed comeback route but the WR isn't there because his route running is bad. You can throw up a perfect deep pass that a bad WR can't get to because he can't beat the press.
That's what we've faced for the past 10 years. No QB we've ever had could have put together a Pro Bowl season with the stable of receivers we had. Maybe Anderson did have the best talent we've had for years. But that talent was still pretty much dogshit compared with what the rest of the league puts out on Sundays.
And yeah, he sucked donkey dick at screen passes.
I'm sure Couch could have that year. We had a solid line, a RB who rushed for over 1000 yards and Winslow is a Pro Bowl tight end period, and Joe Thomas is a Pro Bowler. Edwards even caught Anderson's inaccurate passes that year. Couch never had those kind of weapons. We also had a crappy schedule against defensively challenged teams. Yet we managed to lose to those crappy teams and miss the playoff due to Anderson throwing the ball to the other team repeatedly. And the common denominator between teams that suck is poor QB play. I don't think Randy Moss made any QB on the Raiders look good. Poor QB play is the reason the Browns suck not poor WR.
I'm sure Couch could have that year. We had a solid line, a RB who rushed for over 1000 yards and Winslow is a Pro Bowl tight end period, and Joe Thomas is a Pro Bowler. Edwards even caught Anderson's inaccurate passes that year. Couch never had those kind of weapons. We also had a crappy schedule against defensively challenged teams. Yet we managed to lose to those crappy teams and miss the playoff due to Anderson throwing the ball to the other team repeatedly. And the common denominator between teams that suck is poor QB play. I don't think Randy Moss made any QB on the Raiders look good. Poor QB play is the reason the Browns suck not poor WR.
Since you responded to a comment about the 2008 season... Do you even remember the 2008 season? Anderson started it with a concussion and not having practiced for 3 weeks, his first practice was Tuesday before the 1st game and it had to be inside because he was having troubles with sunlight from the concussion, Edwards hadn't practiced in nearly a month, KW2 was inneffective and rumored to be playing injured, Stallworth was out for several weeks. Steptoe was a starter. Heiden was playing with a cast on his hand. The Browns primary receivers... KW, BE and Stallworth... were on the field during the same game ONCE in the first 8 games. Add to that there were injuries and shuffling of the O line the first half of the season. When they yanked DA the Browns had won 3 of the last 5 and were'nt playing all that poorly on the offensive side of the ball, and they'd played Pitt, NYG, BAl X2 and WAS... if I recall correctly, that's 5 of the toughest games of the season right there, several had good defenses.
Couch might have had problems.
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I'm sure Couch could have that year. We had a solid line, a RB who rushed for over 1000 yards and Winslow is a Pro Bowl tight end period, and Joe Thomas is a Pro Bowler. Edwards even caught Anderson's inaccurate passes that year. Couch never had those kind of weapons. We also had a crappy schedule against defensively challenged teams. Yet we managed to lose to those crappy teams and miss the playoff due to Anderson throwing the ball to the other team repeatedly. And the common denominator between teams that suck is poor QB play. I don't think Randy Moss made any QB on the Raiders look good. Poor QB play is the reason the Browns suck not poor WR.
Since you responded to a comment about the 2008 season... Do you even remember the 2008 season? Anderson started it with a concussion and not having practiced for 3 weeks, his first practice was Tuesday before the 1st game and it had to be inside because he was having troubles with sunlight from the concussion, Edwards hadn't practiced in nearly a month, KW2 was inneffective and rumored to be playing injured, Stallworth was out for several weeks. Steptoe was a starter. Heiden was playing with a cast on his hand. The Browns primary receivers... KW, BE and Stallworth... were on the field during the same game ONCE in the first 8 games. Add to that there were injuries and shuffling of the O line the first half of the season. When they yanked DA the Browns had won 3 of the last 5 and were'nt playing all that poorly on the offensive side of the ball, and they'd played Pitt, NYG, BAl X2 and WAS... if I recall correctly, that's 5 of the toughest games of the season right there, several had good defenses.
Couch might have had problems.
Since you responded to a comment about the 2008 season... Do you even remember the 2008 season? Anderson started it with a concussion and not having practiced for 3 weeks, his first practice was Tuesday before the 1st game and it had to be inside because he was having troubles with sunlight from the concussion, Edwards hadn't practiced in nearly a month, KW2 was inneffective and rumored to be playing injured, Stallworth was out for several weeks. Steptoe was a starter. Heiden was playing with a cast on his hand. The Browns primary receivers... KW, BE and Stallworth... were on the field during the same game ONCE in the first 8 games. Add to that there were injuries and shuffling of the O line the first half of the season. When they yanked DA the Browns had won 3 of the last 5 and were'nt playing all that poorly on the offensive side of the ball, and they'd played Pitt, NYG, BAl X2 and WAS... if I recall correctly, that's 5 of the toughest games of the season right there, several had good defenses.
Couch might have had problems.
Nah, he dont remember.
He's got selective memory. As I recall before the season started majority of this board thought Browns were headed to SB, because Browns are awesome and everyone else sucks! Well...other teams didn't have injuries and other unanticipated problems that hit Browns hard. 9-7 in 2008 would've been great success and 7-9 is more realistic outcome. You can build on that. But thanks to piss-poor management it was a disaster.
Browns remind me of a guy playing poker that goes all in every round. Not the smartest strategy. Try winning 6 games 2 years in a row...just a thought.
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ummm you guys are debating about 2008? Why not debate about why we lost to Tampa? I like DA now and then...... I wish him well and think he will be just fine either as a starter, backup, out of the league whatever. He is not a Brown now so..... ( I do like underdogs and probably will still watch with interest) But he is NOT a Brown for the 2010 season.
Lets see what happens THIS year and debate about our current players.
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mikeyP72 said:
Thank you, DA was shipped out of town and is NO LONGER A BROWN for a reason.Why do none of these people ever post unless it's about DA. You were wrong regardless, stop drudging up our shitty past and shitty ex-Browns QB's.
Thanks.
I know the cure for talking about the ghost of ex brown quarterbacks, is winning. If we don't win, then the complains start coming in.
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DA wasnt an accurate passer for the browns
the difference is that the browns dont have a WR that jumps miles into the air and can catch a ball that is 10 feet out of reach
Larry Fitz is better than any other WR the brownies have or had while DA played here
braylon was about as close as it gets but hes about to be a 2nd WR in new york
DA has a strong arm but his accuracy is lacking greatly......lots of QBs could throw it up to the cards WRs
and dont forget......who is in the rams secondary again?
Yeah,
God forbid you can ever give DA any credit. Even though he's out of town and on to greener pastures......Did youeven see tha pass (TD) to Fitz...he rolled out nicely, kept his poise and threw a bullet to Fitz for the TD....That combo will onoy get better and he's the one who's 1-0 and watched the Browns get a*s smacked by the Yuckaneers.
I must admit am pulling for DA to have a nice year and playoff bound in the NFC west. He could have been the man in Cleelin but the fans had to Je*k Off the local kid and screw everything up.....If DA get a win in Atlanta next week...this board will be very interesting to read...escpecially if the Browns lose again to the Chiefs
Yeah,
God forbid you can ever give DA any credit. Even though he's out of town and on to greener pastures......Did you even see that pass (TD) to Fitz...he rolled out nicely, kept his poise and threw a bullet to Fitz for the TD....That combo will only get better and he's the one who's 1-0 and watched the Browns get a*s smacked by the Yuckaneers.
I must admit am pulling for DA to have a nice year and playoff bound in the NFC west. He could have been the man in Cleelin but the fans had to Je*k Off the local kid and screw everything up.....If DA get a win in Atlanta next week...this board will be very interesting to read...especially if the Browns lose again to the Chiefs
Ya know G, we've seen that stuff out of Anderson- plenty of times. Like throwing a laser between three defenders for a TD, and then next series, tossing the ball 10' over a RBs head on a swing pass. Erratic as hell, and the stats for the game tend to make me believe NOTHING has changed with DA. It's going to take more than one road win against a crappy team to make me believe Derek has turned the corner. Get back to me on how DA looks @ the bye week- after he's played Atlanta, San Diego, and New Orleans.
If he does well, great- he's a decent guy. If not, it will prove Holmgren knew what he was doing when he dumped him. As to the playoffs, the NFC West is arguably the weakest division in the league- and anyone could win it.
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It's been four days since Anderson last won a game ... I bet he's having withdrawals.
(I love the emotions DA stirs up)
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Yeah,
God forbid you can ever give DA any credit. Even though he's out of town and on to greener pastures......Did you even see that pass (TD) to Fitz...he rolled out nicely, kept his poise and threw a bullet to Fitz for the TD....That combo will only get better and he's the one who's 1-0 and watched the Browns get a*s smacked by the Yuckaneers.
I must admit am pulling for DA to have a nice year and playoff bound in the NFC west. He could have been the man in Cleelin but the fans had to Je*k Off the local kid and screw everything up.....If DA get a win in Atlanta next week...this board will be very interesting to read...especially if the Browns lose again to the Chiefs
Ya know G, we've seen that stuff out of Anderson- plenty of times. Like throwing a laser between three defenders for a TD, and then next series, tossing the ball 10' over a RBs head on a swing pass. Erratic as hell, and the stats for the game tend to make me believe NOTHING has changed with DA. It's going to take more than one road win against a crappy team to make me believe Derek has turned the corner. Get back to me on how DA looks @ the bye week- after he's played Atlanta, San Diego, and New Orleans.
If he does well, great- he's a decent guy. If not, it will prove Holmgren knew what he was doing when he dumped him. As to the playoffs, the NFC West is arguably the weakest division in the league- and anyone could win it.
Ya know G, we've seen that stuff out of Anderson- plenty of times. Like throwing a laser between three defenders for a TD, and then next series, tossing the ball 10' over a RBs head on a swing pass. Erratic as hell, and the stats for the game tend to make me believe NOTHING has changed with DA. It's going to take more than one road win against a crappy team to make me believe Derek has turned the corner. Get back to me on how DA looks @ the bye week- after he's played Atlanta, San Diego, and New Orleans.
If he does well, great- he's a decent guy. If not, it will prove Holmgren knew what he was doing when he dumped him. As to the playoffs, the NFC West is arguably the weakest division in the league- and anyone could win it.
Agreed...ya get what ya get with him (DA)...some good some bad...
but the Cleelin fan contingent seems to only want a HOF QB with local roots, who mucks it up with the media, and commits zero errors along the way...
That's why Jake the snake is in for a long season in Cleveland...If he plays and loses this week and throws 2-3 picks...the fun will start, and this board will be filled with Seneca Wallace lovers big time...
It truley is very good cheap entertainment.....DA was hosed last year..losing all his wide-outs and TE and then having to deal with all the Quinn lovers...and media bullsh*t..
I wish him a good season with the Cards...he'll have a tuf test this week at Atlanta..but if he pulls one out this week...against a playoff type team..........OH BABY!!!
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We got screwed out of the playoffs by Indy. Not by Anderson.
What football do you watch? The Browns controlled their own playoff destiny with a simple win over a crappy Cincinnati team. Sadly Anderson decided it was a good day for him to throw 4 INTs. If we had won that game we would have been in automatically even if we lost the following game to San Francisco. Plus we also lost to the Raiders and Chiefs that year because of pick sixes or multiple interceptions thrown by Anderson. Those were really crappy teams to lose to.
Plus we also lost to the Raiders and Chiefs that year because of pick sixes or multiple interceptions thrown by Anderson. Those were really crappy teams to lose to.
Browns didn't play the Chiefs in '07 bubba.
And the best Browns QB of all time was CHARLIE FRYE.
Charlie had a 64% completion percentage!...DAMN! That's pretty much unstoppable offense right there.
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Really, were stil talkin about derek anderson?
Get over it or go cheer on the cardinals. Anderson isn't bernie kosar or brian sipe. Shit he isn't even mike pagel
Really, were stil talkin about derek anderson?
Get over it or go cheer on the cardinals. Anderson isn't bernie kosar or brian sipe. Shit he isn't even mike pagel
Yea, maybe Otto Graham has a grandson that the Browns can sign to play QB.
Why are we arguing about what an Ex QB can do for the Browns now?
You can discuss him in historical context, but why worry about him now?
In fact, lets do that: Rank the best QB's in Browns history. Here is the list of the QBs that have started 3 or more games in Browns history. Rank your top 10 or so:
Ken Dorsey
Luke McCown
Mark Rypien
Dave Mays
Todd Philcox
Eric Zeier
George Ratterman
Tommy O'Connell
Doug Pederson
Mike Tomczak
Gary Danielson
Jeff Garcia
Mike Pagel
Trent Dilfer
Brady Quinn
Jim Ninowski
Kelly Holcomb
Charlie Frye
Paul McDonald
Vinny Testaverde
Milt Plum
Derek Andersen
Bill Nelsen
Mike Phipps
Tim Couch
Frank Ryan
Otto Graham
Bernie Kosar
Brian Sipe.
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To help you out with the above, consider these statistics:
Browns QB with best QB rating?: George Ratterman
Browns QB with the best completion %: Kelly Holcomb
Browns QB with the best TD %: Frank Ryan
Browns QB with the lowest interception %: Mark Rypien
Browns QB with the best yards per reception avg.: Tommy O'Connell
Browns QB with the highest yards per game avg: Trent Dilfer
Browns QB with the highest adjusted net yards per attempt: Mike Tomczak.
Not who you might have thought? Consider these:
Highest winning pct: Otto Graham no surprise (2d: Frank Ryan)
Lowest winning pct: Ken Dorsey and Luke McCown: .000
Most career yards: Brian Sipe (by a mere 129 yards over Bernie Kosar)
Most career TDs: Otto Graham
Most career Ints: Brian Sipe
Most career attempts and completions: Brian Sipe
Most career sacks: Bernie Kosar
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Plus we also lost to the Raiders and Chiefs that year because of pick sixes or multiple interceptions thrown by Anderson. Those were really crappy teams to lose to.
Browns didn't play the Chiefs in '07 bubba.
And the best Browns QB of all time was CHARLIE FRYE.
Charlie had a 64% completion percentage!...DAMN! That's pretty much unstoppable offense right there.
Browns didn't play the Chiefs in '07 bubba.
And the best Browns QB of all time was CHARLIE FRYE.
Charlie had a 64% completion percentage!...DAMN! That's pretty much unstoppable offense right there.
Oops I meant the Cardinals who not the Cheifs. And the Cardinals were nowhere close to making the playoffs. Anyways what is DA's excuse for completing 44% of his passes last year. I don't think there's a QB in the league who would suck that bad.
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Since Anderson is no longer our Quarterback, maybe we could discuss something pertaining to the Browns?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Browns didn't play the Chiefs in '07 bubba.
And the best Browns QB of all time was CHARLIE FRYE.
Charlie had a 64% completion percentage!...DAMN! That's pretty much unstoppable offense right there.
Oops I meant the Cardinals who not the Cheifs. And the Cardinals were nowhere close to making the playoffs. Anyways what is DA's excuse for completing 44% of his passes last year. I don't think there's a QB in the league who would suck that bad.
Oops I meant the Cardinals who not the Cheifs. And the Cardinals were nowhere close to making the playoffs. Anyways what is DA's excuse for completing 44% of his passes last year. I don't think there's a QB in the league who would suck that bad.
His excuse? HIS TEAM SUCKED AND HE PLAYED NOT TO GET HURT. Smart guy, anyone with a brain would do that. Or did you expect him to put his body on the line like he did last week?
And to answer your question...
Yes, there are 3 QB's that will suck worse: Jake Delome, Seneca Wallace, Colt McCoy. And next year you can add Locker to that list after Browns draft him.
It's sad to see that Browns are becoming "QB Detroit Lions". May be QB is not the main issue?
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Since Anderson is no longer our Quarterback, maybe we could discuss something pertaining to the Browns?
Since Anderson is no longer our Quarterback, maybe we could discuss something pertaining to the Browns?
This thread could last all season and well into summer if the Browns don't win 7/8 games. Hopefully the team will get a winning stretch going and put this thread to bed.
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Oops I meant the Cardinals who not the Cheifs. And the Cardinals were nowhere close to making the playoffs. Anyways what is DA's excuse for completing 44% of his passes last year. I don't think there's a QB in the league who would suck that bad.
His excuse? HIS TEAM SUCKED AND HE PLAYED NOT TO GET HURT. Smart guy, anyone with a brain would do that. Or did you expect him to put his body on the line like he did last week?
And to answer your question...
Yes, there are 3 QB's that will suck worse: Jake Delome, Seneca Wallace, Colt McCoy. And next year you can add Locker to that list after Browns draft him.
It's sad to see that Browns are becoming "QB Detroit Lions". May be QB is not the main issue?
His excuse? HIS TEAM SUCKED AND HE PLAYED NOT TO GET HURT. Smart guy, anyone with a brain would do that. Or did you expect him to put his body on the line like he did last week?
And to answer your question...
Yes, there are 3 QB's that will suck worse: Jake Delome, Seneca Wallace, Colt McCoy. And next year you can add Locker to that list after Browns draft him.
It's sad to see that Browns are becoming "QB Detroit Lions". May be QB is not the main issue?
You're an idiot like most DA fans. Delhome may be old and rusty but he has proven himself in this league and has never completed only 44% of his passes. And it's nice to know that you admitted that DA is a quitter. The guy sucks. Stop fooling yourselves. I'm glad he is gone. There is no way the Browns would ever win with him.
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And I forgot to add DA's 3 TD and 10 INT. Even crappy Quinn posted better numbers with the same crappy team. DA sucks. He will suffer against good teams. The Browns are so much better without him. Seneca Wallace is even better than DA. Don't worry the Browns will be just fine this year since we don't have quitters like DA on our team.
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And I forgot to add DA's 3 TD and 10 INT. Even crappy Quinn posted better numbers with the same crappy team. DA sucks. He will suffer against good teams. The Browns are so much better without him. Seneca Wallace is even better than DA. Don't worry the Browns will be just fine this year since we don't have quitters like DA on our team.
And I forgot to add DA's 3 TD and 10 INT. Even crappy Quinn posted better numbers with the same crappy team. DA sucks. He will suffer against good teams. The Browns are so much better without him. Seneca Wallace is even better than DA. Don't worry the Browns will be just fine this year since we don't have quitters like DA on our team.
I know! 0-1 is better than 1-0 in Cleveland. Just like 10-6 is worse than 4-12. What an unhappy person you are. Sad.
You know what sounds good....Oklahoma City Browns. I give Lerner 3-4 years before he bails.
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Since Anderson is no longer our Quarterback, maybe we could discuss something pertaining to the Browns?
Since Anderson is no longer our Quarterback, maybe we could discuss something pertaining to the Browns?
I tried.
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