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  • CLEVELandMILIDH C
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    The Senate passed long-delayed legislation Thursday designed to open up credit to small businesses and award them with other incentives to expand and hire new workers.

    Democrats won a 61-38 vote to pass the legislation, joined by two Republicans. The measure would establish a $30 billion government fund to help open up lending for credit-starved small businesses, cut their taxes and boost Small Business Administration loan programs.

    The tally gives President Barack Obama and his besieged Democratic allies in Congress a much-sought — but relatively modest — political victory with less than seven weeks to go before Election Day.

    "At a time when small business owners are still struggling to make payroll and they're still holding off hiring, we put together a plan that would give them some tax relief and make it easier for them to take out loans," Obama said Wednesday.

    The new loan fund would be available to community banks to encourage lending to small businesses. Supporters say banks should be able to use the fund to leverage up to $300 billion in loans.

    The loan fund is opposed, however, by most Republicans, who liken it to the 2008 bailout of the financial system. They warn it would encourage banks to make loans to borrowers who aren't good credit risks.

    Democrats say the measure is needed to help small businesses cope with a credit crunch that worsened dramatically after the financial crisis two years ago.

    This legislation would also aid lending by lowering Small Business Administration loan program fees and raising loan guarantee and lending limits.

    "This small business jobs bill would give small businesses $12 billion in tax cuts. It would increase small business lending. It would help small business owners to get private capital to finance expansion and hire new workers," said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont. "And all these things would help small businesses to create as many as a half a million jobs."

    The measure had been delayed for months and was successfully filibustered by Republicans in July. But on Tuesday, Democrats cracked the filibuster with the help of two Republicans, Sens. George Voinovich of Ohio and George LeMieux of Florida. That set the stage for Thursday's vote.

    After Senate passage, the bill would return the measure to the House, which is likely to approve it for Obama's signature.

    The bill is advancing too late to help lower a 9.6 percent nationwide unemployment rate before Election Day. It follows successful efforts this year to provide a temporary payroll tax holiday to companies that hire the jobless, and to extend assistance to the unemployed, cash-starved state governments and local school districts.

    Democrats had hoped to pass the bill in July but couldn't win any GOP converts. They fell just short of defeating a filibuster that was called because Democrats blocked Republicans from offering unrelated amendments.

    "There are many good things in this bill, but I believe it could have been better," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa. "Unfortunately, the Democratic leadership has been more interested in scoring political points than actually providing relief to small business."

    Grassley wanted the measure to have additional tax cuts, including a 20 percent tax deduction off their earnings.

    The small business tax cuts in the bill include breaks for restaurant owners and retailers who remodel their stores or build new ones. Long-term investors in some small businesses would be exempt from paying capital gains taxes.

    But in the near term, the bulk of the tax cuts would actually go to big companies to allow them to more quickly recover the costs of capital improvements through depreciation.

    The measure also would allow small business owners to deduct the costs of health insurance for themselves and their families from self-employment taxes, but only for the 2010 tax year.

    Much of the bill would be paid for by allowing taxpayers to convert 401(k) and government retirement accounts into Roth accounts, in which they pay taxes up front on the money they contribute, enabling them to withdraw it tax-free after they retire.

    Before passing the measure, Democrats rejected a GOP bid to permanently extend the research and development tax credit. Adoption of the amendment would have meant delays for the underlying small business jobs bill.

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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      W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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      Seems like a minor change but fine with me.

      Coinicidental that this stuff gets passed just before the election eh?

      So what's your take?

      One to ten what will be the effect on the economy?

      WSS

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        Seems like a minor change but fine with me.

        Coinicidental that this stuff gets passed just before the election eh?

        So what's your take?

        One to ten what will be the effect on the economy?

        WSS

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        C CLEVELandMILIDH wrote on last edited by
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        @westside-steve said:

        Seems like a minor change but fine with me.

        Coinicidental that this stuff gets passed just before the election eh?

        So what's your take?

        One to ten what will be the effect on the economy?

        WSS

        Its not like they haven't been trying, Republicans were holding it back. Finally a couple decided to grow backbones and did the right thing.

        My take on how it effects the economy from 1 to 10? I'd go with 1. The best way to improve the economy in my opinion is #1 raise minimum wage, #2 cap unemployment benefits at say...6 months, #3 make college mandatory, and shorten highschool bye maybe 2 years and make it more centered around your career choice.

        1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          Odd, the Dems didn't give a crap about small business and jobs when they passed that 768 BILLION dollar phoney

          "stimulus" package, did they? And about 421 BILLION hadn't been SPENT? Where did all that "spending" go, if it wasn't spent?

          Why didn't the "Dems" who care so much about small business and jobs, use part of THAT to help small business and

          jobs? Really? Now, that we have "spent" nearly a trillion dollars, if not more, do we have to all of a sudden spent

          this EXTRA 30 billion on "small businesses and jobs" . Really? Right before the election? The Republicans didn't want all that

          money spent on NONJOBS and NONSMALL BUSINESS before.

          That is the point.

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            @westside-steve said:

            Seems like a minor change but fine with me.

            Coinicidental that this stuff gets passed just before the election eh?

            So what's your take?

            One to ten what will be the effect on the economy?

            WSS

            Its not like they haven't been trying, Republicans were holding it back. Finally a couple decided to grow backbones and did the right thing.

            My take on how it effects the economy from 1 to 10? I'd go with 1. The best way to improve the economy in my opinion is #1 raise minimum wage, #2 cap unemployment benefits at say...6 months, #3 make college mandatory, and shorten highschool bye maybe 2 years and make it more centered around your career choice.

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            @clevelandmilidh said:

            Its not like they haven't been trying, Republicans were holding it back. Finally a couple decided to grow backbones and did the right thing.

            My take on how it effects the economy from 1 to 10? I'd go with 1. The best way to improve the economy in my opinion is #1 raise minimum wage, #2 cap unemployment benefits at say...6 months, #3 make college mandatory, and shorten highschool bye maybe 2 years and make it more centered around your career choice.

            Raising minimum wage is a waste IMO.

            I like the idea of more Vo Ed but college without ambittion is useless at best.

            Anyone can go to college that's willing to make the effort.

            And if it's just a free ride the degree will get no return.

            Worse yet gives the new degree holder the idea they're above many jobs.

            Unemployment cap is correct but uncomfortable.

            I'd let it decrease to 0% over a year.

            WSS

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              open up credit to small businesses and award them with other incentives to expand and hire new workers.

              Hmm.... All of my equipment is paid for in full, and I only pay cash for anything new I want. It makes way for a nice profit for yourself that way.

              And why do I want to borrow money to hire any employees who are going to do nothing more than create more of a burden and overhead when the Obama Commi Care takes place?

              I will follow the good advice of other small to medium business owners and hire temps. 😉

              What politicians do not realize is that hiring new full time employees right now is like casting out an anchor on growth, with all of the new Obama regime's new laws and regulations.

              *Maybe I can use a new loan to automate so I wont need to hire any full time workers?

              12 billion in tax cuts

              What are the strings attached to this?

              Screw EM! They dont give a shit about small businesses unless they can suck the life out of them.

              Head or Gut?
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                C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                Wait. the Dems want to help small business get credit, then they want to hammer

                small business over 250.000 bucks......... with higher taxes...

                It's like a shell game with Dems. Bait and switch to confuse the masses.

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