You mess up, you will be benched.
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He did blame the coaching staff for one mistake: not using the WildDawg more. Josh Cribbs took one direct snap and ran for a yard. But he caught the 65-yard TD pass from Wallace and was the only one to manage a big play.
"I would have used it more yesterday," said Mangini. "With him, they may load box, they may do a lot of different things, but he's got a chance on any play."
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Daboll needs to go at the end ? of this season. I just don't see that he has the ability to outthink a defense.
He did blame the coaching staff for one mistake: not using the WildDawg more. Josh Cribbs took one direct snap and ran for a yard. But he caught the 65-yard TD pass from Wallace and was the only one to manage a big play.
"I would have used it more yesterday," said Mangini. "With him, they may load box, they may do a lot of different things, but he's got a chance on any play."
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Daboll needs to go at the end ? of this season. I just don't see that he has the ability to outthink a defense.
They definitely need to get Cribbs more involved. While he is not a true WR, he did burn the Chiefs on that big 65 yd td. That alone should garner more attention to him, and open it up for opportunities to hit other WRs.
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Roots starting to take hold? Mangini is 5-13. It'll take a 8 game winning streak just to getti 500.
One of the problems is that he should have been fired last year. So they wouldn't be stuck with making mid season change. I don't like always starting over and think they should have cleaned house last year.
Flash.
Just heard Braylon Edwards got arrested for DUI
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Roots starting to take hold? Mangini is 5-13. It'll take a 8 game winning streak just to getti 500.
One of the problems is that he should have been fired last year. So they wouldn't be stuck with making mid season change. I don't like always starting over and think they should have cleaned house last year.
Flash.
Just heard Braylon Edwards got arrested for DUI
Roots starting to take hold? Mangini is 5-13. It'll take a 8 game winning streak just to getti 500.
One of the problems is that he should have been fired last year. So they wouldn't be stuck with making mid season change. I don't like always starting over and think they should have cleaned house last year.
Flash.
Just heard Braylon Edwards got arrested for DUI
Correct. Mangini inherited a pile of crap. He's already brought in a bunch of new players and i've seen improvement. Let him bring the guys he wants and we'll see.
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Roots starting to take hold? Mangini is 5-13. It'll take a 8 game winning streak just to getti 500.
One of the problems is that he should have been fired last year. So they wouldn't be stuck with making mid season change. I don't like always starting over and think they should have cleaned house last year.
Flash.
Just heard Braylon Edwards got arrested for DUI
Correct. Mangini inherited a pile of crap. He's already brought in a bunch of new players and i've seen improvement. Let him bring the guys he wants and we'll see.
Correct. Mangini inherited a pile of crap. He's already brought in a bunch of new players and i've seen improvement. Let him bring the guys he wants and we'll see.
Mangini did not inherit a pile of crap, Remember, this "pile of crap" were able to defeat the NY giants and had offensive weapons that did trouble plenty of defense and if it were not for dropped passes then RAC might have more wins and have still been the coach.
What he inherited though was a combination of talent + indiscipline + overachievers. And since were 4-12 without a set system, Mangini thought he could implement his own system and start from scratch. And the rebuilding process is not over and done yet, maybe with time we will achieve better results.
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Correct. Mangini inherited a pile of crap. He's already brought in a bunch of new players and i've seen improvement. Let him bring the guys he wants and we'll see.
Mangini did not inherit a pile of crap, Remember, this "pile of crap" were able to defeat the NY giants and had offensive weapons that did trouble plenty of defense and if it were not for dropped passes then RAC might have more wins and have still been the coach.
What he inherited though was a combination of talent + indiscipline + overachievers. And since were 4-12 without a set system, Mangini thought he could implement his own system and start from scratch. And the rebuilding process is not over and done yet, maybe with time we will achieve better results.
Mangini did not inherit a pile of crap, Remember, this "pile of crap" were able to defeat the NY giants and had offensive weapons that did trouble plenty of defense and if it were not for dropped passes then RAC might have more wins and have still been the coach.
What he inherited though was a combination of talent + indiscipline + overachievers. And since were 4-12 without a set system, Mangini thought he could implement his own system and start from scratch. And the rebuilding process is not over and done yet, maybe with time we will achieve better results.
True what Manigini inherited was not totally awful. I still question what he has done with it though. I know the rebuilding process is still going on it just seems a bit slow and may be regressing. The offense is atrocious.
I take solace in reminding myself that the Jimmy Johnson / Troy Aikman Cowboys once went 1-15. Not saying that we have a jimmy Johnson or a Troy Aikman. Yes kids that old guy on survivor and the that FOX announcer were once a great team.
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I like this philosophy. I'd rather let the other team beat us, than us beat ourselves. It's crazy the amount of turn overs and penalties we have. So what, let the players worry about fumbling or penalties. It's their job...
Although i didn't believe in Mangini at first, i definitely do now. He's right, there's nothing else he can do. If guys continue to suck, he's got to change them out. Let him get the guys he wants and this team will turn it around.
I like this philosophy. I'd rather let the other team beat us, than us beat ourselves. It's crazy the amount of turn overs and penalties we have. So what, let the players worry about fumbling or penalties. It's their job...
Although i didn't believe in Mangini at first, i definitely do now. He's right, there's nothing else he can do. If guys continue to suck, he's got to change them out. Let him get the guys he wants and this team will turn it around.
As much as I am all for taking a stern approach and having a disciplined team...if a guy turns the ball over once, I hand it to him again. Use his frustration and competitive spirit to counter his mistake. Turn a negative into a positive. Now, if it becomes a continued problem (like Hillis last week), then I understand removing the player. Do you think that once fumble-prone RB Tiki Barber corrected his bad ways to become such an effective ball carrier by NOT playing?
I don't know. I have mixed feelings on this particular hard stance from Mangini. It worries me a bit.
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Mangini's new coaching strategy to win a Super Bowl..Boy he sounds really smart..
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The bottom line is mistake are costing us games and ultimately, Mangini will lose his job IF games such as these are consistently lost. If the players cannot execute properly, he doesn't have much choice, does he? I'm with everyone saying that a "Big Brother" approach isn't a beneficial one at all as players/workers who tend to have that hanging over them will often times mess up more. (or can) That being said, these things are correctable mistakes and i don't fault a man for wanting the BEST out of his team. They aren't playing their best and we are losing in part because of it.
Mangini has the right idea's but his approach is what i've always kind of questioned with him. It's a long season and one always full of surprises, hopefully we will turn this one around and this kind of talk will all be forgotten.
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I expected this. In Mangini's post game press conference he said "We will not play like that". This team could be 2-0 without the mistakes and something must be done to get their attention. They work on mistakes every day in practice and if that isn't enough emphasis put their butts on the bench.
I found MoMass's comments a little disturbing "It wasn't like I didn't catch it" Ummm, yes it was like you didn't catch it or it wouldn't have been ruled incomplete. Hold onto the ball after you hit the ground and you will be rewarded with a completion.
Everyone makes mistakes but if you are making more than one every 2-3 games then sit down. If you are only giving 100% effort some of the time then sit down.
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Think about the Packers and if they benched Favre for every interception. What I don't like and sorry if you don't agree, cause you are allowed to disagree... Is that he is refusing to put blame on the coaching..
He did blame the coaching staff for one mistake: not using the WildDawg more
Ok.. It took you till Monday to figure that out that you weren't running the wildog enought and not during the game when both you and the OC our on the same sidelines with each other. Sorry, but the game plan sucked in the second half, and everyone that I have heard post game, have asked the same questions. Whether it be KNR, Deiken, Donovan, Bernie, etc etc,. the offense was poor and the game plan even poorer.
You know what if we lose games because he benches someone because of a mistake and it costs us a game.. Sorry, your not going to build moral that way and gain support. Your going to have people scared to play than to want to win IMO. Mistakes are going to happen.... does it piss you off when it does... sure.. but the biggest thing you can do is put confidence back into your players after a mistake.
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honestly I've usually supported Mangini, but now when you have the players thinking about "Don't commit a penalty, don't turn it over", you'll have them thinking about that over the actual current play of the game at times, which is quite bad for their focus. This is going to make them nervous and make some of the players play scared.
I can't think of any coach who has enacted a policy like this, at least publicly. The team definitely needs a new offensive coordinator that's for sure.
honestly I've usually supported Mangini, but now when you have the players thinking about "Don't commit a penalty, don't turn it over", you'll have them thinking about that over the actual current play of the game at times, which is quite bad for their focus. This is going to make them nervous and make some of the players play scared.
I can't think of any coach who has enacted a policy like this, at least publicly. The team definitely needs a new offensive coordinator that's for sure.
I agree, having players play cautious is not a good thing considering that we neded to start playing with more fire anyways. Hillis was pounding the rock very well in Tampa, yet coughed it up. We went away from Hillia nad went flat, so I wouldn't say that was a good solution. It may have cost us the game.
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honestly I've usually supported Mangini, but now when you have the players thinking about "Don't commit a penalty, don't turn it over", you'll have them thinking about that over the actual current play of the game at times, which is quite bad for their focus. This is going to make them nervous and make some of the players play scared.
I can't think of any coach who has enacted a policy like this, at least publicly. The team definitely needs a new offensive coordinator that's for sure.
I agree, having players play cautious is not a good thing considering that we neded to start playing with more fire anyways. Hillis was pounding the rock very well in Tampa, yet coughed it up. We went away from Hillia nad went flat, so I wouldn't say that was a good solution. It may have cost us the game.
I agree, having players play cautious is not a good thing considering that we neded to start playing with more fire anyways. Hillis was pounding the rock very well in Tampa, yet coughed it up. We went away from Hillia nad went flat, so I wouldn't say that was a good solution. It may have cost us the game.
I agree.
You want players playing loose.
As a coach, he may decide to do that, but I don't think it a great idea to make it a public proclamation.
If you are tired of a player because he fumbles, drops passes, or jumps off-sides, just pull him and tell him why he was pulled.
I doubt Joe Thomas as an example gets pulled if he jumps offsides a time or two.
I hope not anyway.
I would like to see a vid of the actual quote.
Sometimes the way things are reported aren't in the same vein as how they are said. Many times the context of the comment gets lost in the black ink.
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If the players are afraid of making mistakes then find some new players. If they do not have it in them to play consistent mistake free football then they need to go somewhere else, either to the bench or another team. We did not have all of these mistakes at the end of last season.
These guys are not visiting a psychiatrist they are on a football team expected to win games against tough competition. If having high expectations makes them tentative then send them packing, there are a lot of people who face that type of scrutiny in their job while living pay check to pay check.
Regarding Favre he had four turnovers and cost his team the game last week. If he keeps that up Minnesota will wish they had an option to bench him for
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honestly I've usually supported Mangini, but now when you have the players thinking about "Don't commit a penalty, don't turn it over", you'll have them thinking about that over the actual current play of the game at times, which is quite bad for their focus. This is going to make them nervous and make some of the players play scared.
I can't think of any coach who has enacted a policy like this, at least publicly. The team definitely needs a new offensive coordinator that's for sure.
I agree, having players play cautious is not a good thing considering that we neded to start playing with more fire anyways. Hillis was pounding the rock very well in Tampa, yet coughed it up. We went away from Hillia nad went flat, so I wouldn't say that was a good solution. It may have cost us the game.
I agree, having players play cautious is not a good thing considering that we neded to start playing with more fire anyways. Hillis was pounding the rock very well in Tampa, yet coughed it up. We went away from Hillia nad went flat, so I wouldn't say that was a good solution. It may have cost us the game.
I dont think he said anything that every player didn't already know. Adrian Peterson's probably the only player in the league that doesn't get benched for consistently putting the ball on the ground.
Holmgren's influence on Mangini to lighten up in training camp could be hurting us now. Bring back that mean SOB
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I just want to know if we can Bench Daboll if he calls more horrible plays.
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I agree, having players play cautious is not a good thing considering that we neded to start playing with more fire anyways. Hillis was pounding the rock very well in Tampa, yet coughed it up. We went away from Hillia nad went flat, so I wouldn't say that was a good solution. It may have cost us the game.
I agree.
You want players playing loose.
As a coach, he may decide to do that, but I don't think it a great idea to make it a public proclamation.
If you are tired of a player because he fumbles, drops passes, or jumps off-sides, just pull him and tell him why he was pulled.
I doubt Joe Thomas as an example gets pulled if he jumps offsides a time or two.
I hope not anyway.
I would like to see a vid of the actual quote.
Sometimes the way things are reported aren't in the same vein as how they are said. Many times the context of the comment gets lost in the black ink.
I agree.
You want players playing loose.
As a coach, he may decide to do that, but I don't think it a great idea to make it a public proclamation.
There it is...This is the mentality from grade school right on up...any sport ....you screwup you sit
But there's no need to go public just so you can say "look at me ,I'm doing my job"
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I like the contrast here....
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While everyone on the team insists that Harrison was down when Chiefs linebacker Mike Vrabel stripped him of the ball on the Browns' second drive, Mangini said it shouldn't have come to that. The Browns challenged, but the fumble held. The Chiefs converted it into a field goal. Harrison was so frustrated after the game he wouldn't talk.
"Whether you agree with it or disagree with it, whether you think his arm was down or not, if you put it into someone else's hands to make that decision, then you live with the results," said Mangini. "The ball shouldn't be on the ground."
THEN HE SAYS....
Explained Massaqoi: "I watched both of them. The sideline one, I'm just still trying to get used to being more aware of the sideline, trying harder. The other one, when he landed on top, the ball squirted out. It's one of those things. It wasn't a matter of not catching the ball."-
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So one guy hits the ground and the ball pops out and it's the worst thing that could happen, then in the next breath he says that "It's just one of those things." for another guy.
Nice.
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I like the contrast here....
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While everyone on the team insists that Harrison was down when Chiefs linebacker Mike Vrabel stripped him of the ball on the Browns' second drive, Mangini said it shouldn't have come to that. The Browns challenged, but the fumble held. The Chiefs converted it into a field goal. Harrison was so frustrated after the game he wouldn't talk.
"Whether you agree with it or disagree with it, whether you think his arm was down or not, if you put it into someone else's hands to make that decision, then you live with the results," said Mangini. "The ball shouldn't be on the ground."
THEN HE SAYS....
Explained Massaqoi: "I watched both of them. The sideline one, I'm just still trying to get used to being more aware of the sideline, trying harder. The other one, when he landed on top, the ball squirted out. It's one of those things. It wasn't a matter of not catching the ball."-
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So one guy hits the ground and the ball pops out and it's the worst thing that could happen, then in the next breath he says that "It's just one of those things." for another guy.
Nice.
I like the contrast here....
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While everyone on the team insists that Harrison was down when Chiefs linebacker Mike Vrabel stripped him of the ball on the Browns' second drive, Mangini said it shouldn't have come to that. The Browns challenged, but the fumble held. The Chiefs converted it into a field goal. Harrison was so frustrated after the game he wouldn't talk.
"Whether you agree with it or disagree with it, whether you think his arm was down or not, if you put it into someone else's hands to make that decision, then you live with the results," said Mangini. "The ball shouldn't be on the ground."
THEN HE SAYS....
Explained Massaqoi: "I watched both of them. The sideline one, I'm just still trying to get used to being more aware of the sideline, trying harder. The other one, when he landed on top, the ball squirted out. It's one of those things. It wasn't a matter of not catching the ball."-
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So one guy hits the ground and the ball pops out and it's the worst thing that could happen, then in the next breath he says that "It's just one of those things." for another guy.
Nice.
Well...one quote is Mangini. The other is MoMass.
So....yeah.
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