Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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Please stop trying to be stupid. You're stinkin up this forum. Please? @@
Harrison helped anybody up?
Please stop.
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Per Twitter Adam Schefter: NFL considering suspending players for helmet to helmet hits.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...er_espn_5699517
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Im just surprised that the referees didnt flag the play.
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Harrison must be suspended. He deliberately injured two Browns players with with dangerous helmet to helmet shots.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-277524
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Harrison must be suspended. He deliberately injured two Browns players with with dangerous helmet to helmet shots.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-277524
Harrison must be suspended. He deliberately injured two Browns players with with dangerous helmet to helmet shots.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-277524
The referees should also be suspended if u ask me. To turn a blind eye to something like this is more criminal than committing the act.
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My god I am glad I am not the only one recognizing the non flag throwing pricks in the striped shirts . This damn ref crew has to be on the take by all their tomfoolery .
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On the Cribbs hit:
"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis
"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini
I'll give you that one...
Now...you admit that Harrison's hit on Massaquoi should've been called a penalty and he's likely to receive a very large fine this week. Which will do nothing to stop him from doing the same thing again unless he and others are suspended (as suggested by Rodney Harrison on the NBC pregame show).
I'll give you that one...
Now...you admit that Harrison's hit on Massaquoi should've been called a penalty and he's likely to receive a very large fine this week. Which will do nothing to stop him from doing the same thing again unless he and others are suspended (as suggested by Rodney Harrison on the NBC pregame show).
Our Steeler trolls can defend their boy all they want to. I won't start laughing at them until the fines come out.
BTW, if the Cribbs hit was "clean"- I've watched it several times, and Josh is damn lucky he didn't get his neck broken from the force of that collision.
Speaking of- if Harrison wants to keep leading with his helmet, he'll get little sympathy from elsewhere in the league if on one of those hits he crushes his own spinal column, and winds up in a wheelchair the rest of his life.
Frankly, you trolls are a bunch of hypocrites- if TJ had taken out Hiney and Mendenhall with similar blasts to the head and no penalties called, I guarantee you'd be over here crying like babies about it too.
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http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/...etless_hea.html
Colt McCoy had a tough day in Pittsburgh Sunday. Part of that is because he's a rookie who was supposed to "redshirt" this year and just watch and learn. And part of it is because Steelers linebacker James Harrison took out Josh Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi with vicious blows to the head. It wouldn't be a big surprise if both players were unavailable for this week's game against the defending Super Bowl champion Saints in New Orleans.
Plain Dealer columnist Terry Pluto said the only real debate about the two hits were which was worse, and that taken together, constitute an offense far worse than the hit Browns defensive back T.J. Ward laid on Cincinnati's Jordan Shipley that cost the rookie safety $15,000.
Oh, and did we mention that neither hit drew a flag?
That has a lot of people upset, including si.com's Peter King and the guy voted the NFL's dirtiest player back in 2004 by other NFL players: retired safety Rodney Harrison.
"This is crazy!'' Rodney Harrison said as we tried to process the sixth or seventh vicious NFL hit of the day in the NBC viewing room Sunday afternooon.
Then, almost under his breath, Harrison said quietly, "Thank God I retired.''
The games we watched Sunday seemed as violent a collection as I've seen. Judging from the tweets and e-mails I got as the day went on, the public was astonished too. The Dunta Robinson collision with DeSean Jackson in Philadelphia, concussing both the Atlanta corner and Eagles receiver and probably kayoing the invaluable Jackson for Sunday's game at Tennessee. Several shots in Pittsburgh, two vicious ones by James Harrison of the Steelers; his helmet-to-helmet shot against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will certainly draw a heavy fine, and it's incredible to me no official flagged what could be the textbook definition of hitting a defenseless receiver. In New England, Brandon Meriweather lighting up Baltimore's Todd Heap with a hit to the head so vicious that either a mouthguard or something flew high into the air at the moment of impact. And so on -- six or eight shots where you wondered, "Is that guy getting up?''
Matthew J. Darnell edits a blog called The Shutdown Corner for yahoosports.com. This was his take on the Harrison hits:
You can tell me that James Harrison is a wonderful man, he's just playing physical football, blah blah blah. Maybe it's even true. But it does not excuse (the hits on Cribbs and Massaquoi).
Also not excusable? That Harrison wasn't even penalized for either of those hits. In both cases, it was blatant, vicious contact to the head of an opposing player, and to miss it both times is astonishing.
It's time to decide, NFL: You're either serious about the concussion issue or you're not. If you are, something needs to happen to Harrison here. A substantial fine, at the very least. A suspension is preferable. And the officials shouldn't go without some kind of reprimand, either.
And I know that some of you are thinking, "It's football! Hits like that are part of the game!" My response to that is yes, you're right, hits like that are a part of the game, but that is precisely the problem.
Hits like that need to be eliminated from the game. Hits like that are the reason that careers end early and NFL players spend their retirement years drooling on themselves and confusing mailboxes for their grandchildren.
Don't look for an apology any time soon from Harrison, either. Here's what he had to say to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
One of the Steelers' most fined players, Mr. Harrison wasn't fretting over the possibility of writing checks this week.
"I'm not worried about getting fined on that. Not at all," he said. "If I get fined on that, it's got to be a travesty. They didn't call [penalties on] that. There's no way I can be fined."
Here's what he had to say to Plain Dealer writers Mary Kay Cabot and Dennis Manoloff:
Harrison said Cribbs was about to cut back when he nailed him. "I was pursuing to the ball and got a good hit on him," he said.
Helmet-to-helmet is a good hit?
"It doesn't matter what it is -- he's running the ball, so that's a legal hit."
His primary thought about knocking Cribbs out of the game?
"That ends the WildDawg," said Harrison. "It's out the window. That's his thing.
"I don't want to injure anybody. But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody," he said. "There's a big difference between being hurt and being injured. You get hurt, you shake it off and come back the next series or the next game."
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/...etless_hea.html
Colt McCoy had a tough day in Pittsburgh Sunday. Part of that is because he's a rookie who was supposed to "redshirt" this year and just watch and learn. And part of it is because Steelers linebacker James Harrison took out Josh Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi with vicious blows to the head. It wouldn't be a big surprise if both players were unavailable for this week's game against the defending Super Bowl champion Saints in New Orleans.
Plain Dealer columnist Terry Pluto said the only real debate about the two hits were which was worse, and that taken together, constitute an offense far worse than the hit Browns defensive back T.J. Ward laid on Cincinnati's Jordan Shipley that cost the rookie safety $15,000.
Oh, and did we mention that neither hit drew a flag?
That has a lot of people upset, including si.com's Peter King and the guy voted the NFL's dirtiest player back in 2004 by other NFL players: retired safety Rodney Harrison.
"This is crazy!'' Rodney Harrison said as we tried to process the sixth or seventh vicious NFL hit of the day in the NBC viewing room Sunday afternooon.
Then, almost under his breath, Harrison said quietly, "Thank God I retired.''
The games we watched Sunday seemed as violent a collection as I've seen. Judging from the tweets and e-mails I got as the day went on, the public was astonished too. The Dunta Robinson collision with DeSean Jackson in Philadelphia, concussing both the Atlanta corner and Eagles receiver and probably kayoing the invaluable Jackson for Sunday's game at Tennessee. Several shots in Pittsburgh, two vicious ones by James Harrison of the Steelers; his helmet-to-helmet shot against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will certainly draw a heavy fine, and it's incredible to me no official flagged what could be the textbook definition of hitting a defenseless receiver. In New England, Brandon Meriweather lighting up Baltimore's Todd Heap with a hit to the head so vicious that either a mouthguard or something flew high into the air at the moment of impact. And so on -- six or eight shots where you wondered, "Is that guy getting up?''
Matthew J. Darnell edits a blog called The Shutdown Corner for yahoosports.com. This was his take on the Harrison hits:
You can tell me that James Harrison is a wonderful man, he's just playing physical football, blah blah blah. Maybe it's even true. But it does not excuse (the hits on Cribbs and Massaquoi).
Also not excusable? That Harrison wasn't even penalized for either of those hits. In both cases, it was blatant, vicious contact to the head of an opposing player, and to miss it both times is astonishing.
It's time to decide, NFL: You're either serious about the concussion issue or you're not. If you are, something needs to happen to Harrison here. A substantial fine, at the very least. A suspension is preferable. And the officials shouldn't go without some kind of reprimand, either.
And I know that some of you are thinking, "It's football! Hits like that are part of the game!" My response to that is yes, you're right, hits like that are a part of the game, but that is precisely the problem.
Hits like that need to be eliminated from the game. Hits like that are the reason that careers end early and NFL players spend their retirement years drooling on themselves and confusing mailboxes for their grandchildren.
Don't look for an apology any time soon from Harrison, either. Here's what he had to say to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
One of the Steelers' most fined players, Mr. Harrison wasn't fretting over the possibility of writing checks this week.
"I'm not worried about getting fined on that. Not at all," he said. "If I get fined on that, it's got to be a travesty. They didn't call [penalties on] that. There's no way I can be fined."
Here's what he had to say to Plain Dealer writers Mary Kay Cabot and Dennis Manoloff:
Harrison said Cribbs was about to cut back when he nailed him. "I was pursuing to the ball and got a good hit on him," he said.
Helmet-to-helmet is a good hit?
"It doesn't matter what it is -- he's running the ball, so that's a legal hit."
His primary thought about knocking Cribbs out of the game?
"That ends the WildDawg," said Harrison. "It's out the window. That's his thing.
"I don't want to injure anybody. But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody," he said. "There's a big difference between being hurt and being injured. You get hurt, you shake it off and come back the next series or the next game."
What a dick!
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http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/...etless_hea.html
Colt McCoy had a tough day in Pittsburgh Sunday. Part of that is because he's a rookie who was supposed to "redshirt" this year and just watch and learn. And part of it is because Steelers linebacker James Harrison took out Josh Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi with vicious blows to the head. It wouldn't be a big surprise if both players were unavailable for this week's game against the defending Super Bowl champion Saints in New Orleans.
Plain Dealer columnist Terry Pluto said the only real debate about the two hits were which was worse, and that taken together, constitute an offense far worse than the hit Browns defensive back T.J. Ward laid on Cincinnati's Jordan Shipley that cost the rookie safety $15,000.
Oh, and did we mention that neither hit drew a flag?
That has a lot of people upset, including si.com's Peter King and the guy voted the NFL's dirtiest player back in 2004 by other NFL players: retired safety Rodney Harrison.
"This is crazy!'' Rodney Harrison said as we tried to process the sixth or seventh vicious NFL hit of the day in the NBC viewing room Sunday afternooon.
Then, almost under his breath, Harrison said quietly, "Thank God I retired.''
The games we watched Sunday seemed as violent a collection as I've seen. Judging from the tweets and e-mails I got as the day went on, the public was astonished too. The Dunta Robinson collision with DeSean Jackson in Philadelphia, concussing both the Atlanta corner and Eagles receiver and probably kayoing the invaluable Jackson for Sunday's game at Tennessee. Several shots in Pittsburgh, two vicious ones by James Harrison of the Steelers; his helmet-to-helmet shot against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will certainly draw a heavy fine, and it's incredible to me no official flagged what could be the textbook definition of hitting a defenseless receiver. In New England, Brandon Meriweather lighting up Baltimore's Todd Heap with a hit to the head so vicious that either a mouthguard or something flew high into the air at the moment of impact. And so on -- six or eight shots where you wondered, "Is that guy getting up?''
Matthew J. Darnell edits a blog called The Shutdown Corner for yahoosports.com. This was his take on the Harrison hits:
You can tell me that James Harrison is a wonderful man, he's just playing physical football, blah blah blah. Maybe it's even true. But it does not excuse (the hits on Cribbs and Massaquoi).
Also not excusable? That Harrison wasn't even penalized for either of those hits. In both cases, it was blatant, vicious contact to the head of an opposing player, and to miss it both times is astonishing.
It's time to decide, NFL: You're either serious about the concussion issue or you're not. If you are, something needs to happen to Harrison here. A substantial fine, at the very least. A suspension is preferable. And the officials shouldn't go without some kind of reprimand, either.
And I know that some of you are thinking, "It's football! Hits like that are part of the game!" My response to that is yes, you're right, hits like that are a part of the game, but that is precisely the problem.
Hits like that need to be eliminated from the game. Hits like that are the reason that careers end early and NFL players spend their retirement years drooling on themselves and confusing mailboxes for their grandchildren.
Don't look for an apology any time soon from Harrison, either. Here's what he had to say to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
One of the Steelers' most fined players, Mr. Harrison wasn't fretting over the possibility of writing checks this week.
"I'm not worried about getting fined on that. Not at all," he said. "If I get fined on that, it's got to be a travesty. They didn't call [penalties on] that. There's no way I can be fined."
Here's what he had to say to Plain Dealer writers Mary Kay Cabot and Dennis Manoloff:
Harrison said Cribbs was about to cut back when he nailed him. "I was pursuing to the ball and got a good hit on him," he said.
Helmet-to-helmet is a good hit?
"It doesn't matter what it is -- he's running the ball, so that's a legal hit."
His primary thought about knocking Cribbs out of the game?
"That ends the WildDawg," said Harrison. "It's out the window. That's his thing.
"I don't want to injure anybody. But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody," he said. "There's a big difference between being hurt and being injured. You get hurt, you shake it off and come back the next series or the next game."
What a dick!
What a dick!
i'm waiting for the steelers fans here to try to defend this. Please...let me here your thoughts you inbred idiots!
Predicted Records:2010: 8-82011: 8-82012: 9-72013: 5-112014: 6-10 -
I'll give you that one...
Now...you admit that Harrison's hit on Massaquoi should've been called a penalty and he's likely to receive a very large fine this week. Which will do nothing to stop him from doing the same thing again unless he and others are suspended (as suggested by Rodney Harrison on the NBC pregame show).
Our Steeler trolls can defend their boy all they want to. I won't start laughing at them until the fines come out.
BTW, if the Cribbs hit was "clean"- I've watched it several times, and Josh is damn lucky he didn't get his neck broken from the force of that collision.
Speaking of- if Harrison wants to keep leading with his helmet, he'll get little sympathy from elsewhere in the league if on one of those hits he crushes his own spinal column, and winds up in a wheelchair the rest of his life.
Frankly, you trolls are a bunch of hypocrites- if TJ had taken out Hiney and Mendenhall with similar blasts to the head and no penalties called, I guarantee you'd be over here crying like babies about it too.
Our Steeler trolls can defend their boy all they want to. I won't start laughing at them until the fines come out.
BTW, if the Cribbs hit was "clean"- I've watched it several times, and Josh is damn lucky he didn't get his neck broken from the force of that collision.
Speaking of- if Harrison wants to keep leading with his helmet, he'll get little sympathy from elsewhere in the league if on one of those hits he crushes his own spinal column, and winds up in a wheelchair the rest of his life.
Yep, and karma is a bitch too!
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What a dick!
i'm waiting for the steelers fans here to try to defend this. Please...let me here your thoughts you inbred idiots!
i'm waiting for the steelers fans here to try to defend this. Please...let me here your thoughts you inbred idiots!
Forget it. In their eyes their beloved shit head team can never do any wrong!
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On the Cribbs hit:
"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis
"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini
On the Cribbs hit:
"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis
"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini
Where's your source from? Because this article says differently:
"I thought it was helmet-to-helmet contact for sure and I thought he should've gotten a penalty," said Hillis. "We ended up getting a penalty ourselves. I was pretty upset about it, but the refs make the call."
I found this blurb interesting later on in that same article:
<<< In week two, Harrison was fined $5,000 for slamming Tennessee's Vince Young to the turf -- despite not being penalized. >>>
Another non-flag ... you guys must really lap up those refs.
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On the Cribbs hit:
"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis
"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini
Where's your source from? Because this article says differently:
"I thought it was helmet-to-helmet contact for sure and I thought he should've gotten a penalty," said Hillis. "We ended up getting a penalty ourselves. I was pretty upset about it, but the refs make the call."
I found this blurb interesting later on in that same article:
<<< In week two, Harrison was fined $5,000 for slamming Tennessee's Vince Young to the turf -- despite not being penalized. >>>
Another non-flag ... you guys must really lap up those refs.
Where's your source from? Because this article says differently:
"I thought it was helmet-to-helmet contact for sure and I thought he should've gotten a penalty," said Hillis. "We ended up getting a penalty ourselves. I was pretty upset about it, but the refs make the call."
I found this blurb interesting later on in that same article:
<<< In week two, Harrison was fined $5,000 for slamming Tennessee's Vince Young to the turf -- despite not being penalized. >>>
Another non-flag ... you guys must really lap up those refs.
Makes ya wonder, doesn't it???
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Facemask to the ground, arms have already taken a forearm chop, body misseled like a spear into a defenseless receiver ... yep, he will get fined, or at least if he didn't play for the Steelers he would. If the fine is under $20,000 for knocking two players out of the contest, and a repeat offense on the young season, it's a damn shame.
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yeah, this guy is definitely not a cheap player...
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@spunkonmyback-dpoy said:
What a dirty player TJ is. He intentionally tried to injure that Bengal when he hit him helmet-to-helmet.didn't see the hit, but again........i can remember only like 3 dirty helmet to helmet hits and all 3 occured on a QB when one person was already tying him up and another came in from the side and actually had THE TIME to see it and make sure their helmets collided.
other than that they are all unintentional.................the game is just played too fast for anything to be intentional.
didn't see the hit, but again........i can remember only like 3 dirty helmet to helmet hits and all 3 occured on a QB when one person was already tying him up and another came in from the side and actually had THE TIME to see it and make sure their helmets collided.
other than that they are all unintentional.................the game is just played too fast for anything to be intentional.
Here is the deal: I do not believe that Harrison's hit on Cribbs was intentional. It was just a reaction play. Nevertheless, helmet to helmet contact like that is illegal and probably should have been flagged. I would venture to say that almost no helmet to helmet collisions are "intentional" but that doesn't mean they are not against the rules. I have had tons and tons of people appear in court in front of me who didn't "mean" to violate a traffic law. But they did violate it, and they had to pay the fine.
On Massaquoi, I don't see where Harrison could have done anything else besides try not to make the tackle. All he did was put his hands up at shoulder level and push. I mean, a human's hands ARE connected at the shoulder, not at the hip or knees. His hands were in his natural position, so that one didn't bring a flag, nor should it probably bring a fine.
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Formerly Stone said:
The NFL will dance around it until someone dies on the field and then they will still try to avoid it but it has to be fixed.The reason these vicious (yet legal) hits are causing more damage is because players are getting bigger, faster, and stronger every year thanks to the blind eye the NFL turns on HGH and steroids.
The NFL pretends it's anything and everything else.....they change the rules, they bring in doctors who say "oh it's always been like this, we just never paid attention to it before" BULL SHIT!
Harrison is a mean mother xxxxer and he is just one of hundreds of guys out there who can inflict serious damage because the NFL wants these guys to be freaks of nature........it makes them money!
Yes, and really, what else can they do. So much of these hits as I said before are just based on a player's natural instincts or their natural positioning. Should they discourage such hits? Sure, but how? Make them play without helmets? Obviously not. Leather helmets? No. No facemasks? No.
At some point in the NFL a defender who is making what will essentially be an unpremeditated spearing motion with his helmet is going to snap his neck. It has happened in college. But what are they going to do to outlaw it? Play flag football?
How will the NFL control it? In a sense I believe that TJ Ward did what it is the NFL wanted defenders to do....don't lead with the helmet of the forearm, use the shoulder pads. He did that and got fined. Harrison just exercised his natural instincts. One I believe did violate the rules, the other probably not. You can't tell them not to hit people.
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Formerly Stone said:
I understand that the hard hits is all around the league. The frustration is the non-stop bitching about Harrison's hits which I don't think were illegal, but even if they draw a fine, it's frustrating to try to discuss the issue when someone's only input is Harrison, Harrison, Harrison when in fact TJ Ward made the worst helmet to helmet contact in the entire game.
Really? Where was that?
Are you talking about the Steelers game? I don't recall seeing it on the replays, nor even any announcers pointing it out.
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You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
Why are you gripping, whining and groaning so bad. Didn't your team win? Can't you handle winning graciously?
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Who cares if he gets fined? I'm shocked to see how many people forget how nasty this rivalry was when it was actually a rivalry. Things like this happened in the first drive in games before the browns moved to Baltimore. I look at all the hits mentioned (harrisons two and Wards) and I say none of them should be flagged. Play football and put up or get beat down.
I look forward to the rivalry getting back to that point someday and it looks like they might actually have a QB worth something. Now just don't get him killed or benched because of staph and you might actually have something to build on.
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